Sad helmet incident

On 1/21/2020 4:27 PM, news18 wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 05:08:39 -0800, sms wrote:

On 1/20/2020 11:14 AM, jbeattie wrote:

Hasn't cut down or ridership in Portland.
https://www.portlandoregon.gov/trans...article/407660 To you,
it is an end-of-world issue. To the cycling population in PDX -- its
meaningless. Kids are used to wearing helmets, and people over 16 do
what they want.

For children, the compulsory helmet laws probably increase cycling in my
area. Parents have this idea that all that's necessary to keep their
child safe while cycling is for them to wear a helmet (often
incorrectly). This leads to the children being allowed to cycle but
often without any other knowledge of proper behavior or other proper
equipment.

Weird, definitely doesn't happen here. The little darlings are largely
driven the few metres to school, rather than work or horror, ride a
bicycle. i suspect their parents ar such terrible drivers, they fear
their children sharing the roads with drivers like them

The only day kids ride their bicycles to school here is when it is the
annual bike safety day and half of those actually walk them on the foot
path.

When a new middle school opened in my city they put in a small bicycle
parking area, certain that few parents would permit their children to
ride a bicycle to school. I think that was based on the fact that close
to 0% of elementary school students ride to school by themselves (I did
know of one in my neighborhood).

Surprisingly, from day 2, there was an enormous number of students
bicycling to school. They rushed to build a second secure bicycle
parking area. I'd estimate that 15-25% of students bicycle to school,
with the percentage varying by weather and time of year.

Personally, I was riding my bicycle to elementary school from 1st
grade--of course with no helmet! Plus it was 10 miles, uphill both ways,
in the snow, and it was in Florida so it was hot and humid.

On 1/22/2020 11:05 AM, sms wrote:


Personally, I was riding my bicycle to elementary school from 1st
grade--of course with no helmet!

And you survived??


--
- Frank Krygowski

On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 7:27:32 AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, January 21, 2020 at 8:16:26 PM UTC-8, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 10:39:04 +0700, John B.
wrote:

Imagine what the results of a law stating that
possession of a drug is punished by a mandatory $5,000 fine and/or
imprisonment for not less then six months.

I'm on ten different drugs. I do not approve of this law.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net

People often do not fid any distinction between prescribed drugs that can affect your ability to drive and illegal drugs. I can have my entire vision spinning out of control upon occasion. I close one eye and pull over to the side safely and wait the 30 seconds for it to clear. It has something to do with synchronizing the signals between eyes. It is rare but it does occur.

Great. When I'm in California, I call to coordinate so I'm not passing Oakland/San Leandro when you're on the road. There should be a TK app or a function on Google Maps to warn drivers -- a flashing red dot maybe.

-- Jay Beattie.

On 1/20/2020 12:55 AM, wrote:

snip

Jay what would Frank do with his time when everyone agreed with his views.
Perhaps the most time-effective response, other than judicious use of
Usenet filters, would simply be "I agree with everything you have ever
said in the past and everything you will ever say in the future."

On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 9:27:51 AM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 7:27:32 AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, January 21, 2020 at 8:16:26 PM UTC-8, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 10:39:04 +0700, John B.
wrote:

Imagine what the results of a law stating that
possession of a drug is punished by a mandatory $5,000 fine and/or
imprisonment for not less then six months.

I'm on ten different drugs. I do not approve of this law.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net

People often do not fid any distinction between prescribed drugs that can affect your ability to drive and illegal drugs. I can have my entire vision spinning out of control upon occasion. I close one eye and pull over to the side safely and wait the 30 seconds for it to clear. It has something to do with synchronizing the signals between eyes. It is rare but it does occur.

Great. When I'm in California, I call to coordinate so I'm not passing Oakland/San Leandro when you're on the road. There should be a TK app or a function on Google Maps to warn drivers -- a flashing red dot maybe.

-- Jay Beattie.

So you are unaware that 20% of the drivers on the road in Portland drive impaired most of the time?

On 1/22/2020 11:58 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 9:27:51 AM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 7:27:32 AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, January 21, 2020 at 8:16:26 PM UTC-8, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 10:39:04 +0700, John B.
wrote:

Imagine what the results of a law stating that
possession of a drug is punished by a mandatory $5,000 fine and/or
imprisonment for not less then six months.

I'm on ten different drugs. I do not approve of this law.


People often do not fid any distinction between prescribed drugs that can affect your ability to drive and illegal drugs. I can have my entire vision spinning out of control upon occasion. I close one eye and pull over to the side safely and wait the 30 seconds for it to clear. It has something to do with synchronizing the signals between eyes. It is rare but it does occur.

Great. When I'm in California, I call to coordinate so I'm not passing Oakland/San Leandro when you're on the road. There should be a TK app or a function on Google Maps to warn drivers -- a flashing red dot maybe.

So you are unaware that 20% of the drivers on the road in Portland drive impaired most of the time?


Pot, video, liquor, text, canoodling or some combination?

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 9:59:01 AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 9:27:51 AM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 7:27:32 AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, January 21, 2020 at 8:16:26 PM UTC-8, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 10:39:04 +0700, John B.
wrote:

Imagine what the results of a law stating that
possession of a drug is punished by a mandatory $5,000 fine and/or
imprisonment for not less then six months.

I'm on ten different drugs. I do not approve of this law.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net

People often do not fid any distinction between prescribed drugs that can affect your ability to drive and illegal drugs. I can have my entire vision spinning out of control upon occasion. I close one eye and pull over to the side safely and wait the 30 seconds for it to clear. It has something to do with synchronizing the signals between eyes. It is rare but it does occur.

Great. When I'm in California, I call to coordinate so I'm not passing Oakland/San Leandro when you're on the road. There should be a TK app or a function on Google Maps to warn drivers -- a flashing red dot maybe.

-- Jay Beattie.

So you are unaware that 20% of the drivers on the road in Portland drive impaired most of the time?

That makes it O.K. for you to drive around with your head spinning? Okey-dokey, another two-bazillion wrongs make a right argument. "I'm no more impaired that those other guys, officer! [eyes spinning, falling over -- crashed car in background]." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PavhQY0eS_Y

-- Jay Beattie.

On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 10:50:36 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/22/2020 11:58 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 9:27:51 AM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 7:27:32 AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, January 21, 2020 at 8:16:26 PM UTC-8, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 10:39:04 +0700, John B.
wrote:

Imagine what the results of a law stating that
possession of a drug is punished by a mandatory $5,000 fine and/or
imprisonment for not less then six months.

I'm on ten different drugs. I do not approve of this law.


People often do not fid any distinction between prescribed drugs that can affect your ability to drive and illegal drugs. I can have my entire vision spinning out of control upon occasion. I close one eye and pull over to the side safely and wait the 30 seconds for it to clear. It has something to do with synchronizing the signals between eyes. It is rare but it does occur.

Great. When I'm in California, I call to coordinate so I'm not passing Oakland/San Leandro when you're on the road. There should be a TK app or a function on Google Maps to warn drivers -- a flashing red dot maybe.

So you are unaware that 20% of the drivers on the road in Portland drive impaired most of the time?


Pot, video, liquor, text, canoodling or some combination?

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

There was some sort of study there that said that though I can hardly believe that it is that low in the Pacific Northwest where Seasonal Affective Disorder is damn high.

On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 10:55:15 AM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 9:59:01 AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 9:27:51 AM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 7:27:32 AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, January 21, 2020 at 8:16:26 PM UTC-8, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 10:39:04 +0700, John B.
wrote:

Imagine what the results of a law stating that
possession of a drug is punished by a mandatory $5,000 fine and/or
imprisonment for not less then six months.

I'm on ten different drugs. I do not approve of this law.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net

People often do not fid any distinction between prescribed drugs that can affect your ability to drive and illegal drugs. I can have my entire vision spinning out of control upon occasion. I close one eye and pull over to the side safely and wait the 30 seconds for it to clear. It has something to do with synchronizing the signals between eyes. It is rare but it does occur.

Great. When I'm in California, I call to coordinate so I'm not passing Oakland/San Leandro when you're on the road. There should be a TK app or a function on Google Maps to warn drivers -- a flashing red dot maybe.

-- Jay Beattie.

So you are unaware that 20% of the drivers on the road in Portland drive impaired most of the time?

That makes it O.K. for you to drive around with your head spinning? Okey-dokey, another two-bazillion wrongs make a right argument. "I'm no more impaired that those other guys, officer! [eyes spinning, falling over -- crashed car in background]." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PavhQY0eS_Y

-- Jay Beattie.

Apparently you don't read very well. Or is it your lawyerish manner to misrepresent what is said for your own benefit?

On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 07:21:38 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Tuesday, January 21, 2020 at 4:20:59 PM UTC-8, news18 wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 11:09:47 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:

On Monday, January 20, 2020 at 2:46:43 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:


But... military helmets are not designed to be bullet proof, or to
phrase it a bit differently the M-16 was designed to penetrate one side
of a helmet at 500 yards.
--
cheers,

John B.

John, what the hell ever gave you the idea that military helmets were
not designed to be bulletproof?
All the armies that do not use them

This is the 21st century and I suggest
you come up to date.

1. Far too soon for 21st century products to be used in any military. it
will takes decades for the idea to sicnk in, decades for testing, decades
for budgeting and may grandchildren will get to use it.

2. Just because it is new, doesn't make it better.

For your information, the latest military headgear is bullet proof to an extent. It is made of layers of steel and carbon fiber. Now - not in the future. And these have been used for over ten years. What in God's name gives you the idea that the Pentagon wants to lose highly trained soldiers? The sheer ignorance and the negativity of you children is such that you will never succeed at anything.


Well Tom, firstly, one of the design criteria for the M-16 was the
Penetration of US steel helmet one side, at 500 yards AND Penetration
of .135" steel plate at 500 yards
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.223_Remington
Doesn't sound like helmets are so bullet proof, does it.

Secondly the major cause of death in combat isn't gun shot wounds. In
fact one study showed that death by explosion, i.e., was almost twice
as common as gunshots.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1876965/

And thirdly, the major cause of death in the U.S. army is suicide
(28%) and combat deaths are only something like 9%.
https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-m...he-modern-wars

In short, you once again demonstrate that you don't know what you are
talking about.
--
cheers,

John B.