I miss Jobst

He was the last of the "scientists" on rbt. Never had an MA-2 but I
sure have had good luck with Open Pros for the last 8 years. I have 4
sets of them and they have been as bomb-proof as can be expected for 32
spoke wheels. Of course, I started on boutique wheels, so when I found
my way to Open Pros they seemed like heaven compared to what I had
before. I'm not a wheel guy, so I don't want to screw with them, and
the OP's seemed like the perfect wheel for me. I'm sure there were
other OP like wheels out there, but once I found something that works I
stopped looking. I did have a couple sets of MA-3's that were not so
good, as I had some cracking at the spoke holes, so those were kind of
crappy, a little heavy and not durable.

I heard JB bought a Moulton

On Sat, 9 Apr 2011, kolldata wrote:

I heard JB bought a Moulton

On the off chance you are serious, I'd be happy to sell him the unique 17"
(32-369) sized tires used on the AM and Bridgestone Moulton models. Or any
other parts he might need -- most AM series parts are avalable back to the
original AM7 and AM2 models from 1983. Many of the parts look similar, but
have been improved in various subtle ways.
[Disclaimer--AM and NS dealer since mid-1980s]
-- Doug
douglas.millikem at gmail.com

On 4/12/2011 11:40 AM, Doug Milliken wrote:

On Sat, 9 Apr 2011, kolldata wrote:

I heard JB bought a Moulton

On the off chance you are serious, I'd be happy to sell him the unique 17"
(32-369) sized tires used on the AM and Bridgestone Moulton models.[...]

The ISO 369-mm size has also been used by Lightning Cycle Dynamics
(smaller size P-38's back in the late 1980's and early 1990's and Seat
of the Pants (before AVD took over Windcheetah production).

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I am a vehicular cyclist.

Tюm Shermдn wrote:

Doug Milliken wrote:

I'd be happy to sell him the unique 17"
(32-369) sized tires used on the AM and Bridgestone Moulton models.[...]

The ISO 369-mm size has also been used by Lightning Cycle Dynamics
(smaller size P-38's back in the late 1980's and early 1990's and Seat
of the Pants (before AVD took over Windcheetah production).

As if there were not already more than enough good reasons to avoid
such machines entirely.

On Apr 10, 12:23*pm, Cicero Venatio wrote:
He was the last of the "scientists" on rbt. *Never had an MA-2 but I
sure have had good luck with Open Pros for the last 8 years. *I have 4
sets of them and they have been as bomb-proof as can be expected for 32
spoke wheels. *Of course, I started on boutique wheels, so when I found
my way to Open Pros they seemed like heaven compared to what I had
before. *I'm not a wheel guy, so I don't want to screw with them, and
the OP's seemed like the perfect wheel for me. *I'm sure there were
other OP like wheels out there, but once I found something that works I
stopped looking. *I did have a couple sets of MA-3's that were not so
good, as I had some cracking at the spoke holes, so those were kind of
crappy, a little heavy and not durable.

Jeez, don't let it out that you ride over priced European enriched
with voodoo rims. Some here don't think they're worth it.

Personally, I've been quite happy with Open Pros, the only improvement
being the ceramic brake surface treatment. They never wear. My front
has done about 100,000km so far (about 10 years).

JS.

James wrote:

Personally, I've been quite happy with Open Pros, the only improvement
being the ceramic brake surface treatment. *They never wear. *My front
has done about 100,000km so far (about 10 years).

I understand they work well for lithe young girls and Sunday tweed
rides.

I can buy four rims that will survive a beating for the same price as
one of those, though.

Still waiting for the yet more expensive "Mavic Open Masters 50 And
Over".

Chalo

On Apr 10, 7:50*am, Chalo wrote:
James wrote:

Personally, I've been quite happy with Open Pros, the only improvement
being the ceramic brake surface treatment. *They never wear. *My front
has done about 100,000km so far (about 10 years).

I understand they work well for lithe young girls and Sunday tweed
rides.

I can buy four rims that will survive a beating for the same price as
one of those, though.

The high price is part of the sell. Some people feel better for
spending what they feel is an appropriate amount for the product.
They feel they will be faster, fresher and safer. It doesn't matter
that as sooon as they hit 30mph they hit the brakes, they want to buy
the dream of riding the front of the peleton in the Tour de Farce.
Mavic is the dream for they have been in all the TV coverage since the
70's.

Whatever deal Mavic made with TdF, it was a damn good one.


Still waiting for the yet more expensive "Mavic Open Masters 50 And
Over".

Chalo

On 4/10/2011 4:46 AM, thirty-six aka Trevor Jeffrey wrote:
The high price is part of the sell. Some people feel better for
spending what they feel is an appropriate amount for the product.
They feel they will be faster, fresher and safer. It doesn't matter
that as sooon as they hit 30mph they hit the brakes, they want to buy
the dream of riding the front of the peleton in the Tour de Farce.[...]

Back when he was racing, Fabrizio Mazzoleni dominated the Tour de Farce.

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Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

On Apr 10, 5:11*am, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote:

Back when he was racing, Fabrizio Mazzoleni dominated the Tour de Farce.

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Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

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