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Bike Friday Tikit warning
On Sep 30, 7:06*pm, Ralph Barone wrote:
Wes Groleau wrote: On 09-30-2012 12:40, DirtRoadie wrote: On Sep 30, 9:22 am, Frank Krygowski wrote: They have no idea what they _don't_ know. *They've never taken the first qualifying test, never competed for a position, never accumulated any practical experience. *But in their imagination, they are brilliant.. Why Frank! Speaking of those who in their imagination are brilliant... That's precisely how your name came up in discussion! It's remarkable you do not understand the difference between a hypothetical and a fact. One of your problems is that you very obviously fall into the category of not knowing what you don't know. You repeatedly and unapologetically say silly things. Uh, it wasn't Frank that started this sub-thread with a very silly denigration of engineers. Oh, and DR... If you feel the need to engage in character assassination, could you possibly do it without insulting my profession. So, ALL engineers are perfect? And there is ONE ultimate truth so that engineers NEVER disagree? OK, if you say so. DR |
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Bike Friday Tikit warning
DirtRoadie wrote:
On Sep 30, 7:06 pm, Ralph Barone wrote: Wes Groleau wrote: On 09-30-2012 12:40, DirtRoadie wrote: On Sep 30, 9:22 am, Frank Krygowski wrote: They have no idea what they _don't_ know. They've never taken the first qualifying test, never competed for a position, never accumulated any practical experience. But in their imagination, they are brilliant. Why Frank! Speaking of those who in their imagination are brilliant... That's precisely how your name came up in discussion! It's remarkable you do not understand the difference between a hypothetical and a fact. One of your problems is that you very obviously fall into the category of not knowing what you don't know. You repeatedly and unapologetically say silly things. Uh, it wasn't Frank that started this sub-thread with a very silly denigration of engineers. Oh, and DR... If you feel the need to engage in character assassination, could you possibly do it without insulting my profession. So, ALL engineers are perfect? And there is ONE ultimate truth so that engineers NEVER disagree? OK, if you say so. DR No, I'm just saying that if you want to insult one particular engineer, then don't do it by slagging all of us. No, we are not all perfect, and reality is greyscale, not black and white. OK? Now talk bike... |
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Bike Friday Tikit warning
DirtRoadie wrote:
On Sep 30, 6:46 pm, Wes Groleau wrote: On 09-30-2012 12:40, DirtRoadie wrote: On Sep 30, 9:22 am, Frank Krygowski wrote: They have no idea what they _don't_ know. They've never taken the first qualifying test, never competed for a position, never accumulated any practical experience. But in their imagination, they are brilliant. Why Frank! Speaking of those who in their imagination are brilliant... That's precisely how your name came up in discussion! It's remarkable you do not understand the difference between a hypothetical and a fact. One of your problems is that you very obviously fall into the category of not knowing what you don't know. You repeatedly and unapologetically say silly things. Uh, it wasn't Frank that started this sub-thread with a very silly denigration of engineers. -- Wes Groleau Curmudgeon's Complaints on Courtesy: http://www.onlinenetiquette.com/courtesy1.html Thanks for taking the bait. I agree that there are good engineers and bad engineers (or any other occupation or avocation) . However whether any individual is one or the other cannot be determined solely from what he tells you. DR DR, I have hired engineers. I assure you, some bad engineers can be determined solely on what they say. Kerry |
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Bike Friday Tikit warning
On Sep 30, 7:51*pm, Ralph Barone wrote:
DirtRoadie wrote: On Sep 30, 7:06 pm, Ralph Barone wrote: Wes Groleau wrote: On 09-30-2012 12:40, DirtRoadie wrote: On Sep 30, 9:22 am, Frank Krygowski wrote: They have no idea what they _don't_ know. *They've never taken the first qualifying test, never competed for a position, never accumulated any practical experience. *But in their imagination, they are brilliant. |
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Bike Friday Tikit warning
On Sep 30, 8:09*pm, "Kerry Montgomery" wrote:
DirtRoadie wrote: On Sep 30, 6:46 pm, Wes Groleau wrote: On 09-30-2012 12:40, DirtRoadie wrote: On Sep 30, 9:22 am, Frank Krygowski wrote: They have no idea what they _don't_ know. They've never taken the first qualifying test, never competed for a position, never accumulated any practical experience. But in their imagination, they are brilliant. Why Frank! Speaking of those who in their imagination are brilliant... That's precisely how your name came up in discussion! It's remarkable you do not understand the difference between a hypothetical and a fact. One of your problems is that you very obviously fall into the category of not knowing what you don't know. You repeatedly and unapologetically say silly things. Uh, it wasn't Frank that started this sub-thread with a very silly denigration of engineers. -- Wes Groleau Curmudgeon's Complaints on Courtesy: http://www.onlinenetiquette.com/courtesy1.html Thanks for taking the bait. I agree that there are good engineers and bad engineers (or any other occupation or avocation) . However whether any individual is one or the other cannot be determined solely from what he tells you. DR DR, I have hired engineers. I assure you, some bad engineers can be determined solely on what they say. Kerry I can't dispute the likely truth of that. DR |
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Bike Friday Tikit warning
On 09/30/2012 09:06 PM, DirtRoadie wrote:
On Sep 30, 6:46 pm, Wes Groleau wrote: On 09-30-2012 12:40, DirtRoadie wrote: On Sep 30, 9:22 am, Frank Krygowski wrote: They have no idea what they _don't_ know. They've never taken the first qualifying test, never competed for a position, never accumulated any practical experience. But in their imagination, they are brilliant. Why Frank! Speaking of those who in their imagination are brilliant... That's precisely how your name came up in discussion! It's remarkable you do not understand the difference between a hypothetical and a fact. One of your problems is that you very obviously fall into the category of not knowing what you don't know. You repeatedly and unapologetically say silly things. Uh, it wasn't Frank that started this sub-thread with a very silly denigration of engineers. -- Wes Groleau Curmudgeon's Complaints on Courtesy: http://www.onlinenetiquette.com/courtesy1.html Thanks for taking the bait. I agree that there are good engineers and bad engineers (or any other occupation or avocation) . However whether any individual is one or the other cannot be determined solely from what he tells you. I think that in the negative, you can absolutely determine whether an engineer is not good at what they do, by what they say. Determining whether they are good at what they do is less simple. |
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Bike Friday Tikit warning
On 09-30-2012 22:47, DirtRoadie wrote:
The individual does not define the profession nor vice versa, the latter being the primary point I wanted to make. "There's no end to the problems that can pop up when engineers have been involved." is a rather ineffective way to make that point. -- Wes Groleau Change is inevitable. We need to learn that “inevitable" is neither a synonym for “good" nor for “bad.†|
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Bike Friday Tikit warning
On Oct 1, 7:11*pm, Wes Groleau wrote:
On 09-30-2012 22:47, DirtRoadie wrote: The individual does not define the profession nor vice versa, the latter being the primary point I wanted to make. * * "There's no end to the problems that can pop * * *up when engineers have been involved." is a rather ineffective way to make that point. -- Wes Groleau Change is inevitable. *We need to learn that “inevitable" is neither a synonym for “good" nor for “bad.” I agree. But that wasn't intended to make the point standing alone. It took responses and a bit of discussion. Thanks. DR |
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Bike Friday Tikit warning
On 10-01-2012 21:26, DirtRoadie wrote:
On Oct 1, 7:11 pm, Wes Groleau wrote: On 09-30-2012 22:47, DirtRoadie wrote: The individual does not define the profession nor vice versa, the latter being the primary point I wanted to make. "There's no end to the problems that can pop up when engineers have been involved." is a rather ineffective way to make that point. I agree. But that wasn't intended to make the point standing alone. It took responses and a bit of discussion. Thanks. In other words, you were trolling and I fell for it. You're not welcome. -- Wes Groleau “What you see and hear depends a good deal on where you are standing; it also depends on what kind of person you are.†-- C.S.Lewis |
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Bike Friday Tikit warning
Here's an update from Bike Friday on October 3, 2012, about the Tikit
stem failures: http://www.bikefriday.com/momentum/tikit_stem - Frank Krygowski |
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