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On 4/12/2011 2:49 AM, Çhâlõ Çólîñã wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote: Will you look online, using a hand-carved, hand-wired computer? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_I Couldn't help but think of it. Chalo Adjusted for official US government inflation [1], the Apple I circuit board would be $2,600 in 2011 dollars. [1] Which is a crock, but that is another subject. -- Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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Chalo wrote:
David Scheidt wrote: Chalo wrote: :I used to pay a surcharge for American made goods, like shoes and :housewares. Now they are scarcely to be found at any price. Nonsense. Maybe not if you insist on shopping at China-mart, but both those are made in the USA. Certain classes of electronics aren't made in the US, sure, but just about everything else is. I wear US-made overalls, mostly from Tennessee or Oklahoma where they still believe people my size exist. (You tell me whether that makes them First World products, because it isn't self-evidently so). Some of my shirts are Carhartt and possibly made in the USA, but Carhartt is no longer an exclusively American manufacturer. Same with Red Wing and Carolina shoes. The Converse shoes I wore in days of yore are now Chinese made, but my feet probably wouldn't tolerate them anyway. Not so long ago, most commodity T-shirts were made in USA; now most of the T-shirts I have are Pakistani or Indian made. At least they are truly big and tall, because American industry is not doing so well in that regard. These look super virtuous and aren't even too expensive, but they are unimaginatively sized so I have to look elsewhe http://www.sosfromtexas.com/about.htm For my kitchen, I can still get rugged plastic tumblers made in Houston, just like the ones at the pizza joint. I have no real use for plastic tumblers, and Houston isn't obviously better off for having plastic product manufacturers there. I do buy American made mason jars, though. Durable stainless steel cookware made in USA? That's a nice thought. Chicago Cutlery doesn't live up to its name anymore. (Camillus? Gone.) Paul Revere warned us about the British, but he forgot to mention that Revere Ware would be coming from Indonesia. Bringing it back to bikes, who am I supposed to buy from if I want US- made bike supplies? Phil Wood? Paul? Chris King? Those are extravagances, not bike parts. Wald stuff is still US-made, and I use some Wald parts here and there. But that junk only goes so far. The median wage for a man in Texas is $12/hour. The median wage for a woman in Texas is $10/hour. These people don't have to shop at Hellmart, but they can't afford locally tailor-made clothing or Phil parts for their custom recumbents. Most of us don't have strong objections to any place of origin as long as the goods are inexpensive and good enough to do their job. Soon enough, goods that don't have to travel very far will be at a great advantage (provided transportation subsidies don't rise to distort the market). Until then, you can endeavor to build a material lifestyle on rare exceptions to the rule, but it's a lot of work for no detectable reward. I gave up on that a while ago. American manufacturing didn't get offshored because it wasn't feasible; it was taken away because corporate management decided that promised at least slightly higher profits in the short term. Paying more than the minimum to get what you need tends to play into the hands of the same interests. Chalo I've ridden my bike past the very active Red Wing plant in Red Wing Minnesota. http://www.shoestoboot.com/pages.cfm?ID=12 Chalo, if you enlist in the Army they will give you a pair of USA made Red Wings, free. Here's more info: http://www.usstuff.com/shoes.htm -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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Chalo wrote:
AMuzi wrote: Chalo wrote: L.H. Thomson is an Ayn-Randroid bloviating butthole. Should Tennesseeans be proud to "buy local" from a social Darwinist dicktard? Mr Thomson, who I was proud to call a friend, is dead. He was determined to make quality products in USA and was, in my opinion, very successful at that. What's next, carping that Enrico Fermi never worked the line at a soup kitchen? Sheesh, in a world full of chiseling parasites who make nothing useful, you chose Thomson as a target? I guess you feel better about social Darwinism (or perhaps dicktardism) than I do. Making really good quality seatposts (and they are really good) is not enough to offset that for me. Note my earlier mention of Dov Charney, a political liberal and a somewhat principled American manufacturer who also makes my dicktard list. It should go without saying that the brilliant Signore Fermi's work has not proven to be an asset to humanity on the whole. But I'll say it to you anyway, since you might not have thought too hard about that. How much better off would we all be if he'd worked in a kitchen instead? (Side order of iodine-131 with that, and supersize it!) Chalo One may like and respect someone without sharing all their opinions. Take you & I for example. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Apr 12, 12:46*am, Chalo wrote:
Dan O wrote: Would you pay more to a seller who stocks only first-quality and will do the right thing? *(I do.) *How about just to support a merchant that you like. *Buy local worth anything? Service is inherently local. *Goods never are (for the purposes of this discussion). Even Portlanders who smugly buy Chris King products because they are "local" ignore the fact that Chris King relocated from Northern California to dodge taxes and labor protection laws. *How righteous is that? *L.H. Thomson is an Ayn-Randroid bloviating butthole. *Should Tennesseeans be proud to "buy local" from a social Darwinist dicktard? Oregon is a tax hell. I couldn't imagine moving any company here. And what labor protection laws are being dodged, being that Oregon is subject to the FSLA like every other state and has a higher minium wage than California? Also, we do not smugly buy Chris King because it is local, being that the prices are the same here as anywhere else -- and "freshness" doesn't count with metal parts. I think we have the same smugosity as anyone else when it comes to buying Chris King. I was smug about buying Phil Wood because I knew Phil. I don't know Chris, although I'm sure he's a fine young man. I AM smug about beer, being that it is on tap and freshness does count -- and coffee. You can only dream of our coffee and beer. Christmas trees, too. And maybe salmon and crab. I'm sure our Mexican food is not nearly as good as yours, though. You can be smug about that. While few things or people live up to your expectations, remember that at least Ayn Rand wrote some books and LH Thomson made seatposts. They did not sit around carping, except for Ayn in her books, and then she was getting paid for it. Everyone loves to stomp their feet and point fingers, but when it comes to running a business, being a boss, paying employees, hiring, firing, etc., etc., decisions are made that people do not like. And like I always say, give up your paycheck, open a business, hire employees, raise a family (with college expenses) and then report back in 20 years. I bet you will smell just a little bit Republican by then. -- Jay "Overseer" Beattie. |
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Jay Beattie wrote:
On Apr 12, 12:46 am, Chalo wrote: Dan O wrote: Would you pay more to a seller who stocks only first-quality and will do the right thing? (I do.) How about just to support a merchant that you like. Buy local worth anything? Service is inherently local. Goods never are (for the purposes of this discussion). Even Portlanders who smugly buy Chris King products because they are "local" ignore the fact that Chris King relocated from Northern California to dodge taxes and labor protection laws. How righteous is that? L.H. Thomson is an Ayn-Randroid bloviating butthole. Should Tennesseeans be proud to "buy local" from a social Darwinist dicktard? Oregon is a tax hell. I couldn't imagine moving any company here. And what labor protection laws are being dodged, being that Oregon is subject to the FSLA like every other state and has a higher minium wage than California? Also, we do not smugly buy Chris King because it is local, being that the prices are the same here as anywhere else -- and "freshness" doesn't count with metal parts. I think we have the same smugosity as anyone else when it comes to buying Chris King. I was smug about buying Phil Wood because I knew Phil. I don't know Chris, although I'm sure he's a fine young man. I AM smug about beer, being that it is on tap and freshness does count -- and coffee. You can only dream of our coffee and beer. Christmas trees, too. And maybe salmon and crab. I'm sure our Mexican food is not nearly as good as yours, though. You can be smug about that. While few things or people live up to your expectations, remember that at least Ayn Rand wrote some books and LH Thomson made seatposts. They did not sit around carping, except for Ayn in her books, and then she was getting paid for it. Everyone loves to stomp their feet and point fingers, but when it comes to running a business, being a boss, paying employees, hiring, firing, etc., etc., decisions are made that people do not like. And like I always say, give up your paycheck, open a business, hire employees, raise a family (with college expenses) and then report back in 20 years. I bet you will smell just a little bit Republican by then. -- Jay "Overseer" Beattie. Did you say beer? How about a startup sold out to The Big Guys: http://beerandwhiskeybros.com/2011/0...-in-his-pints/ makes some folks want to... well, read it. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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nest winter, throw another log on and read this old boiler
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New Balance, according to NB, are made in the US and offered online
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where's the Squirrel ? .They eat him or what ?
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On Apr 12, 6:33*am, James wrote:
We regularly hand assemble prototypes. *The success rate and reliablility is variable, depending on the type of components being used in the design. Makes me nostalgic for the days when a hammer was a tool, and magnafluxing was magic. God, I hate SMT. Andre Jute Visit Jute on Amps at http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/fiultra/ "wonderfully well written and reasoned information for the tube audio constructor" John Broskie TubeCAD & GlassWare "an unbelievably comprehensive web site containing vital gems of wisdom" Stuart Perry Hi-Fi News & Record Review |
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On Apr 12, 5:45*pm, AMuzi wrote:
Jay Beattie wrote: On Apr 12, 12:46 am, Chalo wrote: Dan O wrote: Would you pay more to a seller who stocks only first-quality and will do the right thing? *(I do.) *How about just to support a merchant that you like. *Buy local worth anything? Service is inherently local. *Goods never are (for the purposes of this discussion). Even Portlanders who smugly buy Chris King products because they are "local" ignore the fact that Chris King relocated from Northern California to dodge taxes and labor protection laws. *How righteous is that? *L.H. Thomson is an Ayn-Randroid bloviating butthole. *Should Tennesseeans be proud to "buy local" from a social Darwinist dicktard? Oregon is a tax hell. *I couldn't imagine moving any company here. And what labor protection laws are being dodged, being that Oregon is subject to the FSLA like every other state and has a higher minium wage than California? Also, we do not smugly buy Chris King because it is local, being that the prices are the same here as anywhere else -- and "freshness" doesn't count with metal parts. *I think we have the same smugosity as anyone else when it comes to buying Chris King. *I was smug about buying Phil Wood because I knew Phil. I don't know Chris, although I'm sure he's a fine young man. I AM smug about beer, being that it is on tap and freshness does count -- and coffee. *You can only dream of our coffee and beer. Christmas trees, too. And maybe salmon and crab. I'm sure our Mexican food is not nearly as good as yours, though. *You can be smug about that. While few things or people live up to your expectations, remember that at least Ayn Rand wrote some books and LH Thomson made seatposts. They did not sit around carping, except for Ayn in her books, and then she was getting paid for it. Everyone loves to stomp their feet and point fingers, but when it comes to running a business, being a boss, paying employees, hiring, firing, etc., etc., decisions are made that people do not like. And like I always say, give up your paycheck, open a business, hire employees, raise a family (with college expenses) and then report back in 20 years. I bet you will smell just a little bit Republican by then. *-- Jay "Overseer" Beattie. Did you say beer? How about a startup sold out to The Big Guys: http://beerandwhiskeybros.com/2011/0...rewmaster-greg... makes some folks want to... well, read it. We have toilets in our beer bars and rarely use the glasses. We have bikes in our bars, too. http://blog.oregonlive.com/thebeerhe...orks_tour.html (scroll down a little) Some of those frames look pretty nice, although they're probably broken somewhere. -- Jay Beattie. |
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