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"Track" vs. "road" pedals (vintage) theory
Retroed Bob writes:
Why were/are traditional track pedals more of a flat design as opposed to the typical quill design of road pedals ? ( I know there were platform road pedals, but they are less common and typically touring oriented). You mean, why doesn't the pedal cage curve around the outside with the little pointy bit sticking up? It's for clearance with the track. Notice that track pedals are narrower, like road pedals with the outside couple of cm sawed off. That's to keep the pedal from striking the track, which is often banked to a 43 degree angle. The wider road pedal is there to provide support for the feet, since track events tend to take only a few minutes but road events can take 8 hours or more. Track riders usually position their foot with two toe straps, so the outer pointy thing isn't needed to help keep the foot from slowly creeping to the outside during pedaling. Since I have big feet (size 13 US, 12 UK, 48 Euro) I usually found road pedals too narrow and used to saw or grind off the little pointy bit that stuck up on the outside edge of the pedal. Clipless pedals have eliminated this, although those newfangled pedals restrict what shoes you can wear while riding. I keep one bike- my commuter- with my modififed road pedaals because of that. |
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"Nusquam tuta fides." - Vergil
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:40:39 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote: You mean, why doesn't the pedal cage curve around the outside with the little pointy bit sticking up? It's for clearance with the track. Notice that track pedals are narrower, like road pedals with the outside couple of cm sawed off. That's to keep the pedal from striking the track, which is often banked to a 43 degree angle. This has been repeated so often over the years that it merits consideration for inclusion in Jobst's Fables, I think. I believe that if you were to examine a sample of vintage pedal models which had both road and track variations (the classic Campagolo 1038 track pedals and their 1037 road counterparts come instantly to mind), you'd find that the scars left from pedal-strike incidents occur in the pretty much the same places. The underside of the dustcaps and the lower outside corners of the pedal cages will bear evidence of where the pedals first touched down. On road pedals, the protruding loop joining the front and rear cages (what's the name for that thing, anyway?) generally won't be blemished unless the bike actually crashed on that side. Since the pedal bodies are otherwise identical, the outside loop on a #1037 road pedal is highly unlikely to have struck the road (or velodrome surface) in a situation where a #1038 track pedal did not as well. This isn't to say that there isn't a reason for road and track pedals to exist, though. In the case of the 1037 and 1038 above, there's a difference in how the toe strap envelops your shoe as the strap exits from the opening in the outer loop of the road pedal versus how your foot is held if the strap exits the track pedal body a couple of cm inboard. ------------------------------- John Dacey Business Cycles, Miami, Florida Since 1983 Comprehensive catalogue of track equipment: online since 1996. http://www.businesscycles.com |
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have you experience plywood?
at 14W, i bought nbar bear traps and bolted ply both sides held by the traps teeth. comfort. the extra width allows the hips to motion in a more "natural" orbit with off course a slight decrease in forward speed. the mod takes no more than two hours to hack out.cut four squares.clamp together and sabresaw as one. drill ditto. and when crossing the 4 wide express blvd in a wide upstream arc keep that inside foot up!! |
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:19:48 -0500, John Dacey
wrote: first touched down. On road pedals, the protruding loop joining the front and rear cages (what's the name for that thing, anyway?) ------------------------------- John Dacey Business Cycles, Miami, Florida Since 1983 Comprehensive catalogue of track equipment: online since 1996. http://www.businesscycles.com It's called a quill. Kinky Cowboy* *Batteries not included May contain traces of nuts Your milage may vary |
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"Ego sum rex Romanus, et supra grammaticam." - Sigismund
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:13:34 +0000, Kinky Cowboy wrote: On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:19:48 -0500, John Dacey wrote: first touched down. On road pedals, the protruding loop joining the front and rear cages (what's the name for that thing, anyway?) It's called a quill. I'm mindful of the recent controversy here about "rake". Over time in cycling, I've seen "quill" colloquially referring to all or various parts of pedal cages and also to distinguish track pedals from road models. Merriam-Webster online suggests that "quill" more properly describes a pedal's axle and bearing housing arrangement than the design and shape of the pedal body: (2) : a hollow shaft often surrounding another shaft and used in various mechanical devices http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...onary&va=quill Perhaps one of rbt's Guardians of Proper Usage will provide more specifics. ------------------------------- John Dacey Business Cycles, Miami, Florida http://www.businesscycles.com Since 1983 Our catalog of track equipment: online since 1996 ------------------------------- |
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:24:59 -0500, John Dacey
wrote: "Ego sum rex Romanus, et supra grammaticam." - Sigismund On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:13:34 +0000, Kinky Cowboy wrote: On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:19:48 -0500, John Dacey wrote: first touched down. On road pedals, the protruding loop joining the front and rear cages (what's the name for that thing, anyway?) It's called a quill. I'm mindful of the recent controversy here about "rake". Over time in cycling, I've seen "quill" colloquially referring to all or various parts of pedal cages and also to distinguish track pedals from road models. Merriam-Webster online suggests that "quill" more properly describes a pedal's axle and bearing housing arrangement than the design and shape of the pedal body: (2) : a hollow shaft often surrounding another shaft and used in various mechanical devices http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...onary&va=quill Perhaps one of rbt's Guardians of Proper Usage will provide more specifics. ------------------------------- John Dacey Business Cycles, Miami, Florida http://www.businesscycles.com Since 1983 Our catalog of track equipment: online since 1996 ------------------------------- Dear John, " . . . a hollow shaft . . ." If only you had written that with a quill pen. Wistfully, Carl Fogel |
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:43:31 -0700, wrote:
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:24:59 -0500, John Dacey wrote: Perhaps one of rbt's Guardians of Proper Usage will provide more specifics. Dear John, " . . . a hollow shaft . . ." If only you had written that with a quill pen. You guys impose too many conditions. It's easier to just remain ignorant. ------------------------------- John Dacey Business Cycles, Miami, Florida http://www.businesscycles.com Since 1983 Our catalog of track equipment: online since 1996 ------------------------------- |
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:05:18 -0500, John Dacey
wrote: On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:43:31 -0700, wrote: On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:24:59 -0500, John Dacey wrote: Perhaps one of rbt's Guardians of Proper Usage will provide more specifics. Dear John, " . . . a hollow shaft . . ." If only you had written that with a quill pen. You guys impose too many conditions. It's easier to just remain ignorant. ------------------------------- John Dacey Business Cycles, Miami, Florida http://www.businesscycles.com Since 1983 Our catalog of track equipment: online since 1996 ------------------------------- Dear John, GOOSE, n. A bird that supplies quills for writing. These, by some occult process of nature, are penetrated and suffused with various degrees of the bird's intellectual energies and emotional character, so that when inked and drawn mechanically across paper by a person called an "author," there results a very fair and accurate transcript of the fowl's thought and feeling. The difference in geese, as discovered by this ingenious method, is considerable: many are found to have only trivial and insignificant powers, but some are seen to be very great geese indeed. --Bierce Carl Fogel |
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Retroed Bob wrote: That's sort of my problem too... I have size 10's and I like to ride in sneakers a lot of the time (I know, barbaric, but I can hop off the bike and be in comfortable footwear... it works for me depending on where I am riding too). Anyway, I find that most road pedals are too narrow. The quill on the end gets in the way. I never considered grinding it off. There are a couple of vintage (platform) and more modern pedals (triangular a la early Shimano dura ace or 600) that do not have this issue). http://www.rivendellbicycles.com/web...ps/14020.htmlh |
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