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Why cycling is not dangerous and riders never go over the handlebars!
This from a certain Ian Jackson in urcm:
In article 20101213224910.00673daf@gododdin, Simon Brooke wrote: I wouldn't know. Except when I went head first into a cliff I've never been over the handlebars. Everyone has seen the video of my front camera falling into the spokes and locking up my front wheel at 20+mph ? http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ijackson/bikecams/ Top entry "2007-9-15 Crash" -- Ian Jackson personal email: These opinions are my own. http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ijackson/ PGP2 key 1024R/0x23f5addb, fingerprint 5906F687 BD03ACAD 0D8E602E FCF37657 |
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Why cycling is not dangerous and riders never go over the handlebars!
"Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative."
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Why cycling is not dangerous and riders never go over thehandlebars!
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 02:21:36 -0800 (PST)
Derek C wrote: This from a certain Ian Jackson in urcm: In article 20101213224910.00673daf@gododdin, Simon Brooke wrote: I wouldn't know. Except when I went head first into a cliff I've never been over the handlebars. Everyone has seen the video of my front camera falling into the spokes and locking up my front wheel at 20+mph ? http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ijackson/bikecams/ Top entry "2007-9-15 Crash" You probably think you have some sort of point, but I have to say you're not doing a terribly good job of making it. |
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Why cycling is not dangerous and riders never go over the handlebars!
Derek C wrote:
This Presumably you have a link to show where IJ, or indeed anyone who rides regularly, specifically said "cycling is not dangerous and riders never go over the handlebars" rather than you simply inferring or spinning what they actually said. Otherwise, do you have a point? -- Paul - xxx |
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Why cycling is not dangerous and riders never go over the handlebars!
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 02:21:36 -0800 (PST), Derek C
wrote: This from a certain Ian Jackson in urcm: In article 20101213224910.00673daf@gododdin, Simon Brooke wrote: I wouldn't know. Except when I went head first into a cliff I've never been over the handlebars. Everyone has seen the video of my front camera falling into the spokes and locking up my front wheel at 20+mph ? http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ijackson/bikecams/ Top entry "2007-9-15 Crash" Incredible - what a knob he really is. |
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Why cycling is not dangerous and riders never go over the handlebars!
On Dec 15, 2:04*pm, "Paul - xxx" wrote:
Derek C wrote: This Presumably you have a link to show where IJ, or indeed anyone who rides regularly, specifically said "cycling is not dangerous and riders never go over the handlebars" rather than you simply inferring or spinning what they actually said. Otherwise, do you have a point? -- Paul - xxx Several contributors to this group, including Messrs. Chapman and Ravin, have suggested that cycling is not at all dangerous and cyclists never go over the handlebars and fall on their heads. Hence there is no justification for wearing cycle helmets. The official DfT road accident ststistics show a somewhat different picture, with 38% of cyclists involved in accidents suffering some degree of head or facial injury. I myself have suffered such an injury when falling off a bike. Cycling is great fun, a practical way of making short local journeys and keeps you fit. However it is intrinsically more dangerous than driving a modern car, so in my opinion it is worth taking sensible precautions such as wearing a decent cycle helmet. I will now sit back and wait for all the flack from the psycholists. Derek C |
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Hash: SHA1 Ah yes, that reminds me: you were supposed to provide the message-id where anyone other than you made the claim that cyclists never go over the bars. Here's a space for you: Off you go, now, there's a good chap. - -- Guy Chapman, http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk The usenet price promise: all opinions are guaranteed to be worth at least what you paid for them. PGP public key at http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/pgp-public.key -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNCSZgAAoJEJx9ogI8T+W/4gwH/AxIKEtvT3ruLsDQkxtndn7X IrKGb9M3ZXhAtdrTWxyA5BcZZj8+pBMlrZCWkImXeBnEiPd8Bq UUOCc84fSwRq90 bEXkRIzEGi7AYKOHD28e5Egi5gVk8VVTMN2rLuvfAzNA4DH2Zh 2Dp4JiF2WIQF8j w5ft+YHgUW+P73yRib9oOrZXOY7cr54OQAID1GDaImyoYEyu4T 53GZcJyutsU7X7 gdOlTj230R2ydaPhWPDfKyPWSAFfXbKpNmjGz/ZqumysTAwpP1nYb0Zw9hdawF2D Xd3HuTrlAbaEixQJK3oFabN+EOfuY1Hy3EQMdHv6u7MrfQ7LWk pJA2VqMHIDIY4= =pC/h -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Derek C wrote:
On Dec 15, 2:04*pm, "Paul - xxx" wrote: Derek C wrote: This Presumably you have a link to show where IJ, or indeed anyone who rides regularly, specifically said "cycling is not dangerous and riders never go over the handlebars" rather than you simply inferring or spinning what they actually said. Otherwise, do you have a point? Several contributors to this group, including Messrs. Chapman and Ravin, have suggested that cycling is not at all dangerous and cyclists never go over the handlebars and fall on their heads. So the answer is no, you don't have a link to show where anyone actually said "cycling is not dangerous and riders never go over the handlebars" So again, do you have a point? -- Paul - xxx |
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Hash: SHA1 On 15/12/2010 19:04, Derek C wrote: Several contributors to this group, including Messrs. Chapman and Ravin, have suggested that cycling is not at all dangerous and cyclists never go over the handlebars and fall on their heads. Hence there is no justification for wearing cycle helmets. The official DfT road accident ststistics show a somewhat different picture, with 38% of cyclists involved in accidents suffering some degree of head or facial injury. I myself have suffered such an injury when falling off a bike. You must now prodice the message IDs in which those named said that cycling is "not at all" dangerous or that cyclists "never go over the handlebars" or you will have to admit to being a liar. It will be a lie since you have made this claim before and failed to substantiate it. Message IDs or you're a liar. Those are the only two options here. Cycling is great fun, a practical way of making short local journeys and keeps you fit. However it is intrinsically more dangerous than driving a modern car, so in my opinion it is worth taking sensible precautions such as wearing a decent cycle helmet. I will now sit back and wait for all the flack from the psycholists. Dangerous to whom? Cycling is intrinsically quite low risk, as we see in the Netherlands; what risk there is comes mainly from all those people driving all those modern cars. We'll leave aside the rather obvious example of begging the question, as you already know that to be fallacious even though you continue to assert it. - -- Guy Chapman, http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk The usenet price promise: all opinions are guaranteed to be worth at least what you paid for them. PGP public key at http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/pgp-public.key -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNCSeNAAoJEJx9ogI8T+W/v84H/2FW+u9X0nPQSEnSshAuoWh8 cVBhf5u9zKKNaemV0TiHpETC8wAruYqmqxXGTCyVNPL3yis3al qzJTOJo8SD06WC aLE3IQn525LJkaRvHuySMG4tFB2GoFOnSRWHYlGhg/YUtPeB/3eRd0H1oimzhAod Xp5JCbp0lR28yXxT3zEX9pfhL5snl1iunhOcEv5epMFb52nucn VQQ2bigVpKgaHF brYLewNmusbvsia1GU2jO6MIWsx+Ztx/bcO9XvCMRbXP3fr/0VebIKzK+PtVE9mi QN+rjGi2dh0QBTK7gpsE8nY9LvPO75bL1BBiYaUFCxfdjTQu0s rHV6azxxw7n+s= =mJpM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Why cycling is not dangerous and riders never go over the handlebars!
On Dec 15, 8:39*pm, "Paul - xxx" wrote:
Derek C wrote: On Dec 15, 2:04*pm, "Paul - xxx" wrote: Derek C wrote: This Presumably you have a link to show where IJ, or indeed anyone who rides regularly, specifically said "cycling is not dangerous and riders never go over the handlebars" rather than you simply inferring or spinning what they actually said. Otherwise, do you have a point? Several contributors to this group, including Messrs. Chapman and Ravin, have suggested that cycling is not at all dangerous and cyclists never go over the handlebars and fall on their heads. So the answer is no, you don't have a link to show where anyone actually said "cycling is not dangerous and riders never go over the handlebars" So again, do you have a point? -- Paul - xxx/ Yes. In my opinion it is sensible to wear a cycle helmet when riding a bicycle. Derek C |
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