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On May 21, 11:32*am, "
wrote: http://www.cyclesportmag.com/news-an...strong-the-end... Armstrong Tweeted: “Congratulations to @eki_ekimov on his 3rd Olympic Gold Medal!!” That was a reference to his former US Postal Service team-mate, Vjatcheslav Ekimov, who was second to Hamilton in that Athens time trial. It appears Armstrong has no problem with titles being retrospectively stripped in such circumstances. Good to know. ( Great to know. Anton ) |
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... http://www.cyclesportmag.com/news-an...ndgame-begins/ "And together we all allowed one man to dominate the sport, to its detriment." What detriment? The sport grew tremendously while Lance was winning his 7 TdFs. The detriment of scandal? Something in any way unusual for bicycle racing from an historical context? The detriment of having an American beating the Euros at their own game? The detriment, if true, of learning from the Festina scandal and finding a better way to cheat? What was it "we" allowed? What were "we" supposed to do? If Lance doped, he didn't win 7 TdFs because he doped. He won because he had a system in place that other teams lacked. Other teams that most certainly were doping at the time (as proven by those who were caught). To the extent we gave him sainthood, sure, guilty on that one. But it's absurd to suggest that cycling suffered greatly due to Lance, or that any one thing Lance did caused that to happen. --Mike Jacoubowsky Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReaction.com Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA |
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On May 21, 3:45*pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
wrote: wrote in message ... http://www.cyclesportmag.com/news-an...strong-the-end... "And together we all allowed one man to dominate the sport, to its detriment." What detriment? The sport grew tremendously while Lance was winning his 7 TdFs. The detriment of scandal? Something in any way unusual for bicycle racing from an historical context? The detriment of having an American beating the Euros at their own game? The detriment, if true, of learning from the Festina scandal and finding a better way to cheat? What was it "we" allowed? What were "we" supposed to do? If Lance doped, he didn't win 7 TdFs because he doped. He won because he had a system in place that other teams lacked. Other teams that most certainly were doping at the time (as proven by those who were caught). To the extent we gave him sainthood, sure, guilty on that one. But it's absurd to suggest that cycling suffered greatly due to Lance, or that any one thing Lance did caused that to happen. --Mike Jacoubowsky Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA Thanks for sharing your utterly vapid, amoral position on what Armstrong and Co. did, Mike. How many Treks and how much profit did you make off Trek/Lance product during the lying years? |
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... On May 21, 3:45 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote: wrote in message ... http://www.cyclesportmag.com/news-an...strong-the-end... "And together we all allowed one man to dominate the sport, to its detriment." What detriment? The sport grew tremendously while Lance was winning his 7 TdFs. The detriment of scandal? Something in any way unusual for bicycle racing from an historical context? The detriment of having an American beating the Euros at their own game? The detriment, if true, of learning from the Festina scandal and finding a better way to cheat? What was it "we" allowed? What were "we" supposed to do? If Lance doped, he didn't win 7 TdFs because he doped. He won because he had a system in place that other teams lacked. Other teams that most certainly were doping at the time (as proven by those who were caught). To the extent we gave him sainthood, sure, guilty on that one. But it's absurd to suggest that cycling suffered greatly due to Lance, or that any one thing Lance did caused that to happen. --Mike Jacoubowsky Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA Thanks for sharing your utterly vapid, amoral position on what Armstrong and Co. did, Mike. How many Treks and how much profit did you make off Trek/Lance product during the lying years? Nothing gets past you, does it? Other than addressing the conversation at hand that is. That's twice today. Why is it more important on rbr to score insults than intelligence? --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReactionBicycles.com |
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On May 21, 1:52*pm, "
wrote: Thanks for sharing your utterly vapid, amoral position on what Armstrong and Co. did, Mike. Actually, regardless of whether or not you think it's vapid or amoral, it's a pretty accurate position. LA's doping program was most likely the equivalent of everyone else who was taking a shot at the top of the podium (and we know this, because the majority of them were nailed for doping). Yet he still beat them - why? - because, as Mike said, he most likely trained harder, had a better mental attitude, and prepared better. What's ironic about this is that these attributes are EXACTLY what we're supposed to celebrate in a top athlete. Only difference here is that he had to dope to even have a remote shot at being a winner. And, fact is, you know this, just like all the other LA haters. You all know that any dimwit, even yourselves, perhaps, put in the same situation, with the talent to win, would probably do the same thing. You all also know, that if LA had the morals you pompously imagine yourselves to have, and didn't dope, that he'd have gotten his ass kicked - AND THAT ALL OF YOU'D BE AT THE HEAD OF THE PACK CALLING HIM A DOUCHEBAG AND A LOSER. Please, don't embarrass yourselves further by claiming some kind of potential victory, as the convicted dopers and so-called "clean" guys come forth to chew on LA's carcass - just admit you hate LA's guts, but that the only thing he did differently than any other doping pro was to do it well enough to win 7 TdF's without getting caught for doping. BTW, nothing's really changed. I only have to cite the Contador "dope steak" as evidence. As long as effective dope and doping methods exist, guys at the sharp end of the group will use dope to differentiate themselves. If you can't take that, find a new sport. |
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On May 21, 10:11*pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
wrote: wrote in message ... On May 21, 3:45 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote: wrote in message .... http://www.cyclesportmag.com/news-an...strong-the-end.... "And together we all allowed one man to dominate the sport, to its detriment." What detriment? The sport grew tremendously while Lance was winning his 7 TdFs. The detriment of scandal? Something in any way unusual for bicycle racing from an historical context? The detriment of having an American beating the Euros at their own game? The detriment, if true, of learning from the Festina scandal and finding a better way to cheat? What was it "we" allowed? What were "we" supposed to do? If Lance doped, he didn't win 7 TdFs because he doped. He won because he had a system in place that other teams lacked. Other teams that most certainly were doping at the time (as proven by those who were caught). To the extent we gave him sainthood, sure, guilty on that one. But it's absurd to suggest that cycling suffered greatly due to Lance, or that any one thing Lance did caused that to happen. --Mike Jacoubowsky Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA Thanks for sharing your utterly vapid, amoral position on what Armstrong and Co. did, Mike. How many Treks and how much profit did you make off Trek/Lance product during the lying years? Nothing gets past you, does it? Other than addressing the conversation at hand that is. That's twice today. Why is it more important on rbr to score insults than intelligence? --Mike-- * * Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Why won't you accept that you are a doping profiteer? None of the Lance apologists ever asked any questions while he was winning and growing the sport. You benefitted tremendously if you sold Treks during that era - which it appears you did. What you need to realize is that he grew the sport ONLY because he cheated his ass off - better than anyone else in his era. But those gains were all artificial. Just like the housing bubble. All the assholes selling and taking out adjustable mortgages just wanted to ride the train and didn't want to ask any questions when property values were rising. You are one of those assholes. Face it and repent. |
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On May 22, 1:31*pm, Trey wrote:
On May 21, 10:11*pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote: wrote in message ... On May 21, 3:45 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote: wrote in message .... http://www.cyclesportmag.com/news-an...strong-the-end... "And together we all allowed one man to dominate the sport, to its detriment." What detriment? The sport grew tremendously while Lance was winning his 7 TdFs. The detriment of scandal? Something in any way unusual for bicycle racing from an historical context? The detriment of having an American beating the Euros at their own game? The detriment, if true, of learning from the Festina scandal and finding a better way to cheat? What was it "we" allowed? What were "we" supposed to do? If Lance doped, he didn't win 7 TdFs because he doped. He won because he had a system in place that other teams lacked. Other teams that most certainly were doping at the time (as proven by those who were caught). To the extent we gave him sainthood, sure, guilty on that one. But it's absurd to suggest that cycling suffered greatly due to Lance, or that any one thing Lance did caused that to happen. --Mike Jacoubowsky Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA Thanks for sharing your utterly vapid, amoral position on what Armstrong and Co. did, Mike. How many Treks and how much profit did you make off Trek/Lance product during the lying years? Nothing gets past you, does it? Other than addressing the conversation at hand that is. That's twice today. Why is it more important on rbr to score insults than intelligence? --Mike-- * * Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Why won't you accept that you are a doping profiteer? None of the Lance apologists ever asked any questions while he was winning and growing the sport. You benefitted tremendously if you sold Treks during that era - which it appears you did. What you need to realize is that he grew the sport ONLY because he cheated his ass off - better than anyone else in his era. But those gains were all artificial. Just like the housing bubble. All the assholes selling and taking out adjustable mortgages just wanted to ride the train and didn't want to ask any questions when property values were rising. You are one of those assholes. Face it and repent. That's a crock. At the time Mike sold those bikes, Lance and doping were nothing more than speculative rumors. Anyone who wants to retroactively grill his ass is an idiot or an ex lawyer or both. Talking about ex lawyers, isn't it a bit hypocritical to accuse someone of profitting from the misdeeds of others. Isn't that the definition of a lawyer? Maybe you can explain the "winning" mentality of the profession rather than the "truth seeking". Save your delusional moral judgement for those comparatively more deserving, child molesters, murderers and rapists. Phil H |
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Trey wrote in
: Why won't you accept that you are a doping profiteer? None of the Lance apologists ever asked any questions while he was winning and growing the sport. You benefitted tremendously if you sold Treks during that era - which it appears you did. What you need to realize is that he grew the sport ONLY because he cheated his ass off - better than anyone else in his era. But those gains were all artificial. Just like the housing bubble. All the assholes selling and taking out adjustable mortgages just wanted to ride the train and didn't want to ask any questions when property values were rising. You are one of those assholes. Face it and repent. Just like the housing bubble, where the people riding the train sold $600,000 homes to people making $80,000/yr, there were a lot more stupid people who bought rides on the train. Mike sold bicycles to people who wanted them. That doesn't sound particularly immoral to me. Anyway, you sound like you're mad that you bought a Madone and now are ashamed to ride it. It's still a nice bike, maybe you could get it repainted or just tell people it was one of the models built to Hincapie's specs? But then, I can afford to be calm about this since I never bought a Madone or really got emotionally invested one way or the other in Armstrong. -- Bill Fred |
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I am OK with Mike selling bikes.
Please someone give Mike some water when he regains consciousness. |
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