Do bicycles and cars mix?

"RJ" wrote in message
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Jym Dyer wrote:

=v= Think this through: What costs more to maintain and repair
after X number of decades of use? Water and sewer lines that
cover a small area, or water and sewer lines that are spread out
over miles and miles and miles?

By far the most expensive maintenance of underground utilities is in
Manhattan, due to underground congestion.

It's a U-shaped curve where moderate density is the sweet spot.

Sunny Ladd's study found this for overall taxes too.

In article et, George Conklin wrote:

"Brent P" wrote in message
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In article et, George
Conklin wrote:

"Brent P" wrote in message

Wiring without insulation is *NOT* safe.

Knob wiring had insulation, you fool.

Doesn't change the statement asshole.

You are making up a situation which does not and never existed. No one
ever put wiring in a house with no insulation. Your knowledge base is
pitiful.

Read the quoted material:
- The idea was to string uncovered wires through the home, around
- ceramic posts and "knobs", to keep the wires from burning the house
- down.

Uncovered wire, means bare metal to me. But hey, I never claimed to know
about this primitative wiring system. It however it shows how weak your
claims are since you had to go back the dawn of electrification to
attempt to prove your point.

In article . net, George Conklin wrote:

"Brent P" wrote in message
In article . net, George

BULL****. If what you were saying were true nobody would get a mortgage
in the neighborhoods with 50 year old homes. They do.

Of course they can IF the building has been updated.

WRONG. Entirely wrong, entire neighborhoods in chicago and it's suburbs
prove otherwise.

Spoken as someone who has never applied for any insurance. The simple
fact is that insurance companies insist on frequent updates these days.

Helped my mother with the process on my grandparents house. They insisted
on nothing being done to the house. Even the stuff I knew should be made
better didn't phase them.

"Brent P" wrote in message
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In article et, George
Conklin wrote:

"Brent P" wrote in message
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In article et,
George
Conklin wrote:

"Brent P" wrote in message

Wiring without insulation is *NOT* safe.

Knob wiring had insulation, you fool.

Doesn't change the statement asshole.

You are making up a situation which does not and never existed. No
one
ever put wiring in a house with no insulation. Your knowledge base is
pitiful.

Read the quoted material:
- The idea was to string uncovered wires through the home, around
- ceramic posts and "knobs", to keep the wires from burning the house
- down.

Uncovered wire, means bare metal to me. But hey, I never claimed to know
about this primitative wiring system. It however it shows how weak your
claims are since you had to go back the dawn of electrification to
attempt to prove your point.

Uncovered is not uninsulated. They were not in a outer covering, like BX
or Romex. They were simply wires loose and held from moving around by
ceramic (often white) insulators nailed to the beams of the house. Even
later wiring has to be updated with new outside services, fuse boxes and
other connectors. Fuses have to be replaced by circuit breakers if
electricity has been disconnected, as I found out the hard way in a garage.
So they ran the circuits through the old box, but added a new one. Updates
required by code.

In article . net, George Conklin wrote:

"Brent P" wrote in message

Remember he is not only arguing useful life, but also arguing mandated
replacement.

I had a mandated roof replacement by the insurance company. It was not
leaking, not in one place.

Again, I have never heard of such a thing.

You have a very limited knowledge base.

I suppose so. One 47 year old house. One 51 year old house. One 30 year
old house. One 23 year old condo. While not all mine, I'm the one that
ends up doing alot of the work on them. I know what has been done and
what hasn't. All the properties are insured, not a one had a mandated
update from an insurance company.

So, if what you say is a universal truth, how come it hasn't happened
in my experience?

See, that's the thing about a universal truth, even a limited experience
that says otherwise nullifies it.

In article . net, George Conklin wrote:

"Brent P" wrote in message
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In article . net, George
Conklin wrote:

What is a total replacement? My daughter had a total plumbing
replacement. It was a type of plumbing which was known to fail and
flood
houses.

You didn't say that it was plumbing of inferior quality before, you
just left that out implying it was an age related failure.

Yes, 12 years is too old for much plastic plumbing. It is an
age-related issue. Your knowledge base is very little.

You don't get it. 12 years old is much too young to replace plumbing.
If were made out of proper materials and installed with good workmanship
it would last considerably longer. It was the use of cheap, poor
materials, that is in fact a design flaw.

If you bought a new car without rustproofing, paint, or any corrosion
protection with a body made of regular cold rolled steel sheet and it
rusted out in the first winter, would you say that 1 year is much too
old for steel? Or would you blame the automaker for cutting corners
and building the car on the cheap?

Same thing if you buy a newish house built on the cheap with plastic
plumbing and cardboard walls under vinyl siding.

You have in fact proved my point, it's better to buy something older
that's made well instead of something newer that's made poorly.

In article . net, George Conklin wrote:

"Brent P" wrote in message
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In article et, George
Conklin wrote:

"Brent P" wrote in message
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In article et,
George
Conklin wrote:

"Brent P" wrote in message

Wiring without insulation is *NOT* safe.

Knob wiring had insulation, you fool.

Doesn't change the statement asshole.

You are making up a situation which does not and never existed. No
one
ever put wiring in a house with no insulation. Your knowledge base is
pitiful.

Read the quoted material:
- The idea was to string uncovered wires through the home, around
- ceramic posts and "knobs", to keep the wires from burning the house
- down.

Uncovered wire, means bare metal to me. But hey, I never claimed to know
about this primitative wiring system. It however it shows how weak your
claims are since you had to go back the dawn of electrification to
attempt to prove your point.

Uncovered is not uninsulated.

Guess you are not familiar with doing windings with layers of paper
inbetween. Another primative technique.

They were not in a outer covering, like BX
or Romex. They were simply wires loose and held from moving around by
ceramic (often white) insulators nailed to the beams of the house. Even
later wiring has to be updated with new outside services, fuse boxes and
other connectors. Fuses have to be replaced by circuit breakers if
electricity has been disconnected, as I found out the hard way in a garage.
So they ran the circuits through the old box, but added a new one. Updates
required by code.

And now your story changes again. I have stated several times that
a town, village, city may require updates. But you were arguing that
insurance companies not only did some of the time, but implying that
all did, all the time.

In article MY0Bb.462009$HS4.3605319@attbi_s01,
Brent P wrote:

Wiring without insulation is *NOT* safe. Wiring not in conduit is *NOT*
safe.

Eh? Most residential interior wiring isn't in conduit, it's Romex.

I've also seen wiring done with cloth insulation and no conduit or
outer sheathing, but only in a historic building (yes, it was even being
used).

The only homes I've ever heard of where the wiring *HAD* to be
redone were do to a design flaw of the initial system. Like cheap
builders of the 1970s using aluminium wire. But at least it was generally
in conduit so failure only ment no power.

Aluminum wire doesn't fail in the wire runs; it fails at the receptacles,
switches, etc.
--
Matthew T. Russotto
"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit of
a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.

On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Brent P wrote:

Wiring without insulation is *NOT* safe. Uncovered wire, means bare
metal to me.

"Uncovered" is not the same as "without insulation".

http://www.webcom.com/~malin/knob.html

[...]Often, older knob and tube wiring was dipped in solder prior to being
wrapped with insulation and consequently, some of it has a silver
appearance when the insulation is removed. This should not be mistaken for
aluminum wiring [...]

DS

On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Matthew Russotto wrote:

I've also seen wiring done with cloth insulation and no conduit or
outer sheathing, but only in a historic building (yes, it was even being
used).

Define "historic". I lived in a house made in 1966 which was wired this
way (regrettably, with aluminum wiring...). It was fully up to code.

DS