|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
Ads |
#112
|
|||
|
|||
Your gearing is obsolete
On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 10:53:41 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
https://bikerumor.com/2018/06/23/com...nx-gx-x01-xx1/ For those who fondly recall 13~17 freewheels, there's a new 10~50 cassette! -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 Most bikes going with a 1x setup. On the crankset, if one had a granny gear or the small chainring for a road bike, this cassette setup compensates the lack of additional chainrings. I like. |
#113
|
|||
|
|||
Your gearing is obsolete
Op donderdag 25 juni 2020 02:34:16 UTC+2 schreef :
On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 10:53:41 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote: https://bikerumor.com/2018/06/23/com...nx-gx-x01-xx1/ For those who fondly recall 13~17 freewheels, there's a new 10~50 cassette! -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 Most bikes going with a 1x setup. On the crankset, if one had a granny gear or the small chainring for a road bike, this cassette setup compensates the lack of additional chainrings. I like. Since the number of gears in the back is limited, even with a 12 setup, the same gear range with only one chainring comes at the cost of big jumps between gears. For a road bike this is a 'strange' choice. YMMV. Lou |
#114
|
|||
|
|||
Your gearing is obsolete
Am Sun, 14 Jun 2020 12:56:00 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski
: On 6/14/2020 11:25 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote: Am Fri, 12 Jun 2020 10:05:27 -0700 (PDT) schrieb : I can't see the fun in getting groceries by bike if you don't have to. I don't see much fun in that, either. Interesting. I actually do enjoy it. And once we're in the process of doing it, so does my wife. What I meant was: we don't enjoy shopping, by whatever means. Here's how it normally goes in our house: Me: "Let's ride up to get groceries." Wife: "Are we taking the bikes again?" [because sometimes we don't.] Me: "Of course" or "Yes, it's a nice day" etc. She'll then sigh and say "OK." But there's often some reluctance. By the time we're halfway home, which is the downhill portion of the trip, she's smiling and obviously enjoying herself. She likes passing me on one short rise, which she easily can because I'm carrying most of the load. At home, I'll say "Now wasn't that fun?" and she always agrees. Our two nearest supermarkets and some specialiced shops are about 500 m away, getting to the inner town center takes about 1.5 km. So taking the bike is essentially a question about how heavy the stuff to be bought will be. Usually, we just walk. I don't like to carry 10 kg of potatoes or 25 kg of garden soil on my back, so that's a case for the shopping bike, an inexpensive and heavy dutch type bicycle. This one, in fact, https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lidl.de%2Fmedia%2Fproduct%2F0% 2F0%2F1%2F6%2F4%2F2%2F0%2Fprophete-nostalgierad-71-12-cm-28-zoll-3-gang-nabenschaltung-nabendynamo--8.jpg or https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/fahrrad/prophete.jpg. It isn't a good bike, but I was in a hurry when I bought it and it wasn't expensive, either. These bikes go for about 250 EUR (~$280) around here. Last but not least, it serves the purpose. -- Radhelme sind die Bachblüten des Straßenverkehrs |
#115
|
|||
|
|||
Your gearing is obsolete
On 6/25/2020 6:41 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op donderdag 25 juni 2020 02:34:16 UTC+2 schreef : On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 10:53:41 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote: https://bikerumor.com/2018/06/23/com...nx-gx-x01-xx1/ For those who fondly recall 13~17 freewheels, there's a new 10~50 cassette! -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 Most bikes going with a 1x setup. On the crankset, if one had a granny gear or the small chainring for a road bike, this cassette setup compensates the lack of additional chainrings. I like. Since the number of gears in the back is limited, even with a 12 setup, the same gear range with only one chainring comes at the cost of big jumps between gears. For a road bike this is a 'strange' choice. YMMV. +1 -- - Frank Krygowski |
#116
|
|||
|
|||
Your gearing is obsolete
On 6/25/2020 11:04 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Sun, 14 Jun 2020 12:56:00 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski : On 6/14/2020 11:25 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote: Am Fri, 12 Jun 2020 10:05:27 -0700 (PDT) schrieb : I can't see the fun in getting groceries by bike if you don't have to. I don't see much fun in that, either. Interesting. I actually do enjoy it. And once we're in the process of doing it, so does my wife. What I meant was: we don't enjoy shopping, by whatever means. I agree, I don't enjoy the shopping. I do enjoy the ride, though. I've chosen very pleasant neighborhood streets for the routes there and back. And it's nice that it's uphill there when we're unloaded, and downhill back with the load. Also, all but a couple of the streets we use were freshly paved last year. They are beautifully smooth! Our two nearest supermarkets and some specialiced shops are about 500 m away, getting to the inner town center takes about 1.5 km. So taking the bike is essentially a question about how heavy the stuff to be bought will be. Usually, we just walk. And that's a big difference with America. To buy a bag of potatoes, we have to do at least three miles round trip. (We actually do 6.2 miles by choice for the pleasant roads.) There's a gas station and a pharmacy that are closer, but the little food they sell is almost nothing but junk. This one, in fact, https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lidl.de%2Fmedia%2Fproduct%2F0% 2F0%2F1%2F6%2F4%2F2%2F0%2Fprophete-nostalgierad-71-12-cm-28-zoll-3-gang-nabenschaltung-nabendynamo--8.jpg or https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/fahrrad/prophete.jpg. It isn't a good bike, but I was in a hurry when I bought it and it wasn't expensive, either. These bikes go for about 250 EUR (~$280) around here. Last but not least, it serves the purpose. No baskets or bags? The bike I use for groceries has folding open-top grocery panniers on the rear rack, plus (of course!) a big handlebar bag. The three speed village cruiser bike I built has a small front basket plus a rear rack. Both of these are fairly lightweight frames. The three speed's frame is custom built (for someone else) from light Reynolds 531 steel. It even has a titanium bottom bracket! If it didn't have the basket, racks, Brooks saddle, hub gear and front Dynohub, it would probably be the lightest bike I ride. -- - Frank Krygowski |
#117
|
|||
|
|||
Your gearing is obsolete
Am Sun, 14 Jun 2020 17:20:32 +0000 (UTC) schrieb Ralph Barone
: Wolfgang Strobl wrote: Am Thu, 11 Jun 2020 16:18:02 -0700 (PDT) schrieb Sir Ridesalot The biggest problem I see with bicycle paths is the LACK of infrastructure to bicycle to them. The two biggest problems with bicycle paths are, these either go from nowhere to nowhere, or they put the cyclist on the wrong side of traffic. Bicycle path enthusiasts from all over the world have a solution, though: just dig a canal from here to there, fill it with water, frame it with bicyclce paths, and the bicycle traffic will come. It did work in the Netherlands, so it certainly will work for the steep roads in your home town, too! The mayor of the town I used to live in suggested building a canal from the riverfront to the downtown centre, saying that it would promote tourism. What he failed to account for was the grade between the start and end points :-) In Germany, there is a a saying "es gibt nichts, das es nicht gibt". Meaning something like "when you're looking for something stupid enough for nobody trying to do or to build it, somebody already did." -- Wir danken für die Beachtung aller Sicherheitsbestimmungen |
#118
|
|||
|
|||
Your gearing is obsolete
Am Sun, 14 Jun 2020 22:23:03 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski
: On 6/14/2020 9:53 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 5:08:17 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote: It appears from the video that the modern separated facilities we associate with NL were built after the '70s. To quote the narrator "build it and they will come in the Netherlands." They won't come in Omaha and a lot of other places, and yes, I get it that the US is not the NL (for a lot of reasons), but that doesn't mean some infrastructure isn't worthwhile. Has anybody here ever said "No bike infrastructure is worthwhile?" I certainly haven't. Well, I do. Around here in Germanyy, no bike infrastructure is almost always better than infrastructure which is actually built. Or painted. The reason for that ist simple, in most cases this so called infrastructure is just a formal way to prohibiting bicyclists from using most parts of the road. But even when looking at what in principle would be possible, instead of what will actually be built, in most cases separate bike infrastructure is worse that no bike infrastructure. This is so for the very same reason, there just isn't enought space. When two connected infrastructures are built into one level, one hase to give way, either verbatim or figuratively. Even in the Netherlands, it's the motorized traffic that always gets priority, more space, the right of way, the better routes that go right from the releavant sources of traffic to the relevant destinations. The Netherlands somewhat hide that fact because the land is very flat, has a lot of water and bridges, and because it is tiny, so reducing bicycling traffic to short distance trips isn't as noticeable as in, say, hilly regions where all the good valleys are already filled with generous major an minor roads, so that "bicycle infrastructure" has to meander around these. I have had my share of so called "Bettelampeln"*), thank you very much, where I had to beg for green by pushing a button in turn at three separate places (!) for getting thru an intersection, where with a car I'd just would had driven through green because of phased traffic lights. But I've yet to experience a single, existing bicycle infrastructure - where I had the wish or necessity to ride a bicycle - which was actually better than just having an ordinary road there *) Bettelampel: a kind of pedestrian light, which forces a pedestrian to push a button to get green. Yes, I say a lot about bad design features, mistaken conceptions, etc. Yes, I point out whiz-bang infrastructure that caused increases in crashes. I don't think "any bike facility is a good bike facility." Don't fault me for pointing out facility faults; it's not blasphemy. That crap isn't sacred. Bike facilites are almost always crap. Good bike facilities are almost always not recognizeable as bike facilites. Like, for example, using low rolling resistance asphalt. Or rightsizing lanes. -- Thank you for observing all safety precautions |
#119
|
|||
|
|||
Your gearing is obsolete
On 6/25/2020 10:58 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/25/2020 6:41 AM, Lou Holtman wrote: Op donderdag 25 juni 2020 02:34:16 UTC+2 schreef : On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 10:53:41 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote: https://bikerumor.com/2018/06/23/com...nx-gx-x01-xx1/ For those who fondly recall 13~17 freewheels, there's a new 10~50 cassette! -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 Most bikes going with a 1x setup. On the crankset, if one had a granny gear or the small chainring for a road bike, this cassette setup compensates the lack of additional chainrings. I like. Since the number of gears in the back is limited, even with a 12 setup, the same gear range with only one chainring comes at the cost of big jumps between gears. For a road bike this is a 'strange' choice. YMMV. +1 Compared to a modern 2x11 compact I agree. But frankly compared to classic 2x5 or 2x6 gearing, it plots out pretty well. I don't want one but it's a sane choice for some riders. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
#120
|
|||
|
|||
Your gearing is obsolete
On 6/25/2020 11:56 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Sun, 14 Jun 2020 22:23:03 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski : On 6/14/2020 9:53 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 5:08:17 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote: It appears from the video that the modern separated facilities we associate with NL were built after the '70s. To quote the narrator "build it and they will come in the Netherlands." They won't come in Omaha and a lot of other places, and yes, I get it that the US is not the NL (for a lot of reasons), but that doesn't mean some infrastructure isn't worthwhile. Has anybody here ever said "No bike infrastructure is worthwhile?" I certainly haven't. Well, I do. Around here in Germanyy, no bike infrastructure is almost always better than infrastructure which is actually built. Or painted. The reason for that ist simple, in most cases this so called infrastructure is just a formal way to prohibiting bicyclists from using most parts of the road. But even when looking at what in principle would be possible, instead of what will actually be built, in most cases separate bike infrastructure is worse that no bike infrastructure. This is so for the very same reason, there just isn't enought space. When two connected infrastructures are built into one level, one hase to give way, either verbatim or figuratively. Even in the Netherlands, it's the motorized traffic that always gets priority, more space, the right of way, the better routes that go right from the releavant sources of traffic to the relevant destinations. The Netherlands somewhat hide that fact because the land is very flat, has a lot of water and bridges, and because it is tiny, so reducing bicycling traffic to short distance trips isn't as noticeable as in, say, hilly regions where all the good valleys are already filled with generous major an minor roads, so that "bicycle infrastructure" has to meander around these. I have had my share of so called "Bettelampeln"*), thank you very much, where I had to beg for green by pushing a button in turn at three separate places (!) for getting thru an intersection, where with a car I'd just would had driven through green because of phased traffic lights. But I've yet to experience a single, existing bicycle infrastructure - where I had the wish or necessity to ride a bicycle - which was actually better than just having an ordinary road there *) Bettelampel: a kind of pedestrian light, which forces a pedestrian to push a button to get green. Yes, I say a lot about bad design features, mistaken conceptions, etc. Yes, I point out whiz-bang infrastructure that caused increases in crashes. I don't think "any bike facility is a good bike facility." Don't fault me for pointing out facility faults; it's not blasphemy. That crap isn't sacred. Bike facilites are almost always crap. Good bike facilities are almost always not recognizeable as bike facilites. Like, for example, using low rolling resistance asphalt. Or rightsizing lanes. +1 well done, Mr Strobl. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Dynamos - obsolete? | Jim Easterbrook | UK | 3 | December 22nd 05 01:47 PM |
Dynamos - obsolete? | Tony B | UK | 1 | December 22nd 05 10:55 AM |
Dynamos - obsolete? | Just zis Guy, you know? | UK | 1 | December 21st 05 11:40 PM |
Dynamos - obsolete? | Nigel Cliffe | UK | 0 | December 21st 05 07:48 PM |
Parts already obsolete? | [email protected] | General | 68 | September 24th 05 03:00 AM |