More about riding too far right

More here about riding too far right:
http://www.wbez.org/news/map-where-a...ppening-102939

577 reported doorings in about 3.5 years. The door zone extends
farther than most people realize. And lots of people don't realize it
exists at all. Sadly, that usually includes the guys responsible for
bike lane stripes.

- Frank Krygowski

On 05/12/12 14:24, Frank Krygowski wrote:
More here about riding too far right:
http://www.wbez.org/news/map-where-a...ppening-102939

577 reported doorings in about 3.5 years. The door zone extends
farther than most people realize. And lots of people don't realize it
exists at all. Sadly, that usually includes the guys responsible for
bike lane stripes.

Nothing new about that.

http://cyclingresourcecentre.org.au/...with_car_doors

--
JS

On Dec 4, 7:24 pm, Frank Krygowski wrote:
More here about riding too far right:http://www.wbez.org/news/map-where-a...oring-accident...

577 reported doorings in about 3.5 years.

Idiots.

The door zone extends
farther than most people realize.

"Most"? Really? Where'd you get that?

And lots of people don't realize it
exists at all.

Well, if they ride bike enough they're bound to find out.

Sadly, that usually includes the guys responsible for
bike lane stripes.


That's the nice thing about not being too concerned with what you're
*supposed* to do...

On 12/05/2012 12:02 AM, Dan O wrote:
On Dec 4, 7:24 pm, Frank Krygowski wrote:
More here about riding too far right:http://www.wbez.org/news/map-where-a...oring-accident...

577 reported doorings in about 3.5 years.

Idiots.

The door zone extends
farther than most people realize.

"Most"? Really? Where'd you get that?

And lots of people don't realize it
exists at all.

Well, if they ride bike enough they're bound to find out.


I am one of the group leaders in my club and at the beginning of each
year, new members have to do a couple of clinics. It's mostly an
insurance thing. But anyway, one of the first things we tell people
about is to be sure to stay clear of the door zone when passing through
a few of the villages where we ride. Narrow two way road with parking
on one side. I have never once had anyone ask me what a door zone is,
how to avoid.

We do this mostly because of the insurance carrier. Most of the clinic
is about group riding techniques which most new group riders don't know.

As long as I've been with this club we have never had anyone doored.
Maybe the safety instructors in some areas are not very good. Or
parents. My father told me about door zones when he gave me my first
bike. I did the same with my son. More likely, people that get doored
are just not paying attention.



Sadly, that usually includes the guys responsible for
bike lane stripes.


That's the nice thing about not being too concerned with what you're
*supposed* to do...

Sorry but around here, even if there are some stupid facilities, it's
not USUALLY the case.

Per Frank Krygowski:
More here about riding too far right:
http://www.wbez.org/news/map-where-a...ppening-102939

577 reported doorings in about 3.5 years. The door zone extends
farther than most people realize. And lots of people don't realize it
exists at all. Sadly, that usually includes the guys responsible for
bike lane stripes.

I can't find it right now, but somebody posted a link to an
article that spelled out dooring-exposure distances.

The safe distance was way, *way*, WAY more than I ever would have
imagined.
--
Pete Cresswell

"(PeteCresswell)" wrote:
:Per Frank Krygowski:
:More here about riding too far right:
:http://www.wbez.org/news/map-where-a...ppening-102939
:
:577 reported doorings in about 3.5 years. The door zone extends
:farther than most people realize. And lots of people don't realize it
:exists at all. Sadly, that usually includes the guys responsible for
:bike lane stripes.

:I can't find it right now, but somebody posted a link to an
:article that spelled out dooring-exposure distances.

:The safe distance was way, *way*, WAY more than I ever would have
:imagined.

There are quite a lot of cars (mostly two doors with a usable back
seat) with doors that open out four feet. That's further than
anyone I've ever asked has said.

Oh, about morons riding to the right: last night, walking home from
dinner, I saw a moron nearly get run over by a car. He made a left
turn from the curb, across a right turn lane, a straight lane, and a
left turn lane, without signaling his intent. The minivan that was
heading straight managed to turn left to just barely avoid him.
Luckily, there was no oncoming traffic.

--
sig 108

On Dec 5, 6:14 am, Duane Hébert wrote:
On 12/05/2012 12:02 AM, Dan O wrote:



On Dec 4, 7:24 pm, Frank Krygowski wrote:
More here about riding too far right:http://www.wbez.org/news/map-where-a...oring-accident...

577 reported doorings in about 3.5 years.

Idiots.

The door zone extends
farther than most people realize.

"Most"? Really? Where'd you get that?

And lots of people don't realize it
exists at all.

Well, if they ride bike enough they're bound to find out.

I am one of the group leaders in my club and at the beginning of each
year, new members have to do a couple of clinics. It's mostly an
insurance thing. But anyway, one of the first things we tell people
about is to be sure to stay clear of the door zone when passing through
a few of the villages where we ride. Narrow two way road with parking
on one side. I have never once had anyone ask me what a door zone is,
how to avoid.

We do this mostly because of the insurance carrier. Most of the clinic
is about group riding techniques which most new group riders don't know.

As long as I've been with this club we have never had anyone doored.
Maybe the safety instructors in some areas are not very good. Or
parents. My father told me about door zones when he gave me my first
bike. I did the same with my son. More likely, people that get doored
are just not paying attention.


Fortunately, *most* of the (few?) people unaware of the door zone
hazard will not have to learn the hard way; but on Frank's planet,
*everyone* except his heroes, himself, and his devotees are slobbering
dimwits in serious need of his guidance.

Sadly, that usually includes the guys responsible for
bike lane stripes.

That's the nice thing about not being too concerned with what you're
*supposed* to do...

Sorry but around here, even if there are some stupid facilities, it's
not USUALLY the case.

I noted his use of "most people" and "lots of people" (really?), but
"usually" (?) The guys responsible for bike lane stripes are
*usually* unaware of the door zone's existence (?)

Totally illustrates the loss of grip on reality that his extreme,
bitter bias has wrought.

On Dec 5, 6:29 am, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote:
Per Frank Krygowski:

More here about riding too far right:
http://www.wbez.org/news/map-where-a...oring-accident...

577 reported doorings in about 3.5 years. The door zone extends
farther than most people realize. And lots of people don't realize it
exists at all. Sadly, that usually includes the guys responsible for
bike lane stripes.

I can't find it right now, but somebody posted a link to an
article that spelled out dooring-exposure distances.

The safe distance was way, *way*, WAY more than I ever would have
imagined.

I think of the door zone not just as the area the door itself will
occupy, but the entire zone where someone may be disembarking,
sticking their butt out in the road as they reach for their purse,
tripping on their saggy seatbelt and falling headlong into the road,
letting the dog out, whatever. If it turns out they're *not* getting
out of the car (just trying to door the bicyclist), then this extended
door zone buys that much more.

That said, doors come in different sizes, I don't get too carried away
trying to analyze it car-by-car, do not, of course, experience *many*
doors opening in front of as I approach, so can imagine a scenario
where I have to learn something that I thought I knew (the hard way).

well, tell us what you instruct new members ?

On Dec 5, 9:16 am, datakoll wrote:
well, tell us what you instruct new members ?

fearmongering cautionary "Danger! Danger!" stories of doorings, wet
train tracks, right hooks, squeeze passes...