Relative risk

what ura gonna blame deeetroit for human inattention to what's happening what like Morsi The Great Statesman On His Way To China ? or Love Canal or or or or...throwing ur children in jailwith criminals for having cannabis in nhe auto or killing them toelect Nixon of The Secret Plan...

white knuckles....**** at least pay attention the other nuts CLOSE ATTENTION as if you see head and shoulders at the wheel of a parked car YOU ARE IN DOOR ZONE COUNTRY.

familiar with the accident site of the actor of Giant ? whathisname ? I always assumed there was limited sught lines but Holy Cow itsa bare desert floor intersection. Bare !

nice station wagon worth a fortuna today.

we have a ghroup site here up the road on Summerlin before Bass: ip,them road from myu sign: a grade school outlet onto a 3/6 lane Blvd with jug handle from the other side. No light. Drunks ? we gottem. Stoned. Diabli !
No light ? nada would slow down tourist traffic as it comes down the road thru the trap lights.

On Dec 7, 3:31*pm, Phil W Lee wrote:
Frank Krygowski considered Fri, 7 Dec 2012
07:38:13 -0800 (PST) the perfect time to write:

On Dec 6, 11:55*pm, datakoll wrote:
seems there's a continuing problem stating potential risk visavee probable risk.

I think that's a good way of putting it. *Unfortunately, ISTM the
problem is confined to two very safe forms of transportation:
bicycling and airlines. *Motoring and walking certainly don't get the
same scare treatment.

I've more often seen it described as "perceived" versus "actual" risk.

Yes, and I think the constant scare treatments are a major part of
what generates the perceived risk.

One of the problems with motoring is that the perceived risk is
deliberately reduced by the manufacturers as buyers like cars that
"feel" safe. *The trouble is that drivers end up feeling safer than
they actually are, and take the level of care associated with the risk
level they feel. *So they don't perceive any risk in chatting on
phones, driving after (or even during) drinking alcohol, eating and
drinking at the wheel, updating their facebook account, doing
crosswords, reading books/ebooks, and so on.

I agree. Not to mention the car ads that show drivers racing at high
speed through twisting mountain roads or empty city streets, sliding
sideways generating billows of dust on dry lake beds, skidding
sideways into parking places within indoor parking decks, etc. I
don't know if you have those sorts of ads in Britain. Here, they're
accompanied by a brief, fine print statement on the bottom of the TV
screen stating something like "Closed course, professional driver, do
not attempt."

What is the point of such ads? I guess it's "You too can drive like a
maniac in perfect safety in this car."

- Frank Krygowski

On Dec 8, 9:21 am, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Dec 7, 3:31 pm, Phil W Lee wrote:

Frank Krygowski considered Fri, 7 Dec 2012
07:38:13 -0800 (PST) the perfect time to write:

On Dec 6, 11:55 pm, datakoll wrote:
seems there's a continuing problem stating potential risk visavee probable risk.

I think that's a good way of putting it. Unfortunately, ISTM the
problem is confined to two very safe forms of transportation:
bicycling and airlines. Motoring and walking certainly don't get the
same scare treatment.

I've more often seen it described as "perceived" versus "actual" risk.

Yes, and I think the constant scare treatments are a major part of
what generates the perceived risk.

One of the problems with motoring is that the perceived risk is
deliberately reduced by the manufacturers as buyers like cars that
"feel" safe. The trouble is that drivers end up feeling safer than
they actually are, and take the level of care associated with the risk
level they feel. So they don't perceive any risk in chatting on
phones, driving after (or even during) drinking alcohol, eating and
drinking at the wheel, updating their facebook account, doing
crosswords, reading books/ebooks, and so on.

I agree. Not to mention the car ads that show drivers racing at high
speed through twisting mountain roads or empty city streets, sliding
sideways generating billows of dust on dry lake beds, skidding
sideways into parking places within indoor parking decks, etc. I
don't know if you have those sorts of ads in Britain. Here, they're
accompanied by a brief, fine print statement on the bottom of the TV
screen stating something like "Closed course, professional driver, do
not attempt."

What is the point of such ads?

They're directed at people who get the appeal fo breaking traction as
a form of expression. That's why you dont' get it.

Doesn't make it right to get behind the wheel and play "Death Race
2000".

Independent critical thinking is the antidote to commecial interests
advertising influence.

snip

off the wall...cars are supposed to feel unsafe ?

perceived danger ? those dead weak riders thought themselves safe rding in extremely unsafe conditions. Overstatment produces awareness...like the iron maiden.

On 8/12/2012 5:43 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Dec 7, 10:34 am, gpsman wrote:
On Dec 6, 9:02 pm, Frank Krygowski wrote:

New paper out of Britain:

http://road.cc/content/news/71717-go...-risks-cycling...

The researchers claim the dangers of bicycling have been overstated.
How about that?

Statistics are meaningless to the individual.

I think that's what Steve Jobs said about cancer research, before he
tried to cure his by diet instead of science.


Like some people, certain cancers are incurable using science, or herbs.

--
JS

On Dec 9, 3:37*pm, James wrote:
On 8/12/2012 5:43 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On Dec 7, 10:34 am, gpsman wrote:
On Dec 6, 9:02 pm, Frank Krygowski wrote:

New paper out of Britain:

http://road.cc/content/news/71717-go...-risks-cycling....

The researchers claim the dangers of bicycling have been overstated.
How about that?

Statistics are meaningless to the individual.

I think that's what Steve Jobs said about cancer research, before he
tried to cure his by diet instead of science.

Like some people, certain cancers are incurable using science, or herbs.

What I've read is that Jobs had an unusual type of pancreatic cancer
that actually was quite curable. But he ignored doctors' advice and
sought to treat it organically, so to speak, by modifying his diet.
He should have gone with medical science instead.

- Frank Krygowski

On Dec 9, 1:37 pm, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Dec 9, 3:37 pm, James wrote:



On 8/12/2012 5:43 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On Dec 7, 10:34 am, gpsman wrote:
On Dec 6, 9:02 pm, Frank Krygowski wrote:

New paper out of Britain:

http://road.cc/content/news/71717-go...-risks-cycling...

The researchers claim the dangers of bicycling have been overstated.
How about that?

Statistics are meaningless to the individual.

I think that's what Steve Jobs said about cancer research, before he
tried to cure his by diet instead of science.

Like some people, certain cancers are incurable using science, or herbs.

What I've read is that Jobs had an unusual type of pancreatic cancer
that actually was quite curable. But he ignored doctors' advice and
sought to treat it organically, so to speak, by modifying his diet.
He should have gone with medical science instead.


http://daphne.palomar.edu/jtagg/should.htm