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On Sunday, June 18, 2017 at 1:12:47 PM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote:
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AMuzi wrote:
On 6/18/2017 12:13 AM, John B. Alocomb wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 21:11:51 +0100, "Ian Field"
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"AMuzi" wrote in message
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"Doug Landau" wrote in message
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Just like in North America where there's the myth that
the Amerindians at the time of their discovery by
Europeans were a peaceful bunch living a bountiful life
whereas the facts were that the various tribes were
engaged in ruthless inter-tribal wars often to
annihilation of a tribe for the best
hunting/farming/gathering grounds. The other fact was
that the natives were often barely living at a subsitance
level and the least little upset in game numbers or
climate could mean starvation and the end of that tribal
group.

Actually, what you paint as a simple picture is not so
simple. Conditions varied greatly between locales and
times, and as artifacts evidence, in some places in some
time periods life was easier than in others. Similarly,
ruthless inter-tribal wars existed, and peaceful
inter-tribal relations existed, and neither were uncommon.

As its been described to me; there were a few particularly
nasty tribes, but on the whole the settlers were greeted by
friendly helpful natives - until they realised it was an
invasion........


Great name for a band; Queen Boudicca & the Savages.

Didn't she lead an army of Pagans against the Romans? - WTF is that
to
do
with native Americans.

Army of pagans? Weren't the Romans pagan? After all it was ~60 AD and
I don't think that the Vatican had been built yet :-)


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Cheers,.

John B.


In Latin of the time, pagani were 'country folk',
'bumpkins', so it's apt.

'Savages' was probably overwrought.


pa·gan
ˈp�ɡən/
noun
1.
a person holding religious beliefs other than those of the main world
religions.
synonyms: heathen, infidel, idolater, idolatress; archaicpaynim
"pagans worshiped the sun"

Pagans were polytheist - they worshipped the sun, the moon and various
other
things.

Mostly whatever was handy at the time. My older brother believes that the
CIA blew up Trade Tower #7. Seems like they knew that at that time and
place the Arabs were going to attack the USA and they thought that they'd
get in their shots while it was good. This is a nutcake religion. He also
thinks that there were no Jews killed by the Russians. He also hates
blacks - I think that because when we were kids the black kids wouldn't
have anything to do with a bully. And they were bigger and stronger.

Looks like the crystal meth just kicked in.................

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On Sunday, June 18, 2017 at 1:03:30 PM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote:
"John B. Alocomb" wrote in message
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 21:11:51 +0100, "Ian Field"
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"AMuzi" wrote in message
news On 6/15/2017 4:01 PM, Ian Field wrote:


"Doug Landau" wrote in message
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Just like in North America where there's the myth that
the Amerindians at the time of their discovery by
Europeans were a peaceful bunch living a bountiful life
whereas the facts were that the various tribes were
engaged in ruthless inter-tribal wars often to
annihilation of a tribe for the best
hunting/farming/gathering grounds. The other fact was
that the natives were often barely living at a subsitance
level and the least little upset in game numbers or
climate could mean starvation and the end of that tribal
group.

Actually, what you paint as a simple picture is not so
simple. Conditions varied greatly between locales and
times, and as artifacts evidence, in some places in some
time periods life was easier than in others. Similarly,
ruthless inter-tribal wars existed, and peaceful
inter-tribal relations existed, and neither were uncommon.

As its been described to me; there were a few particularly
nasty tribes, but on the whole the settlers were greeted by
friendly helpful natives - until they realised it was an
invasion........


Great name for a band; Queen Boudicca & the Savages.

Didn't she lead an army of Pagans against the Romans? - WTF is that to
do
with native Americans.

Army of pagans? Weren't the Romans pagan? After all it was ~60 AD and
I don't think that the Vatican had been built yet :-)

Rome was a polytheistic society, it had that much in common with Pagan
beliefs.

The word; "Pagan" has a meaning that you can look up because I can't be
bothered - it has more to do with where they live than what they believe.

The Romans started off trying to wipe out the Christians as a perceived
threat to their power, it turned out to be a virus bomb - the Roman
empire
was well and truly infected by the time they invaded Britain.

I see you really do know so little about religion that you shouldn't talk
about it.

Romans didn't start out persecuting Christians no more than Jews. In fact
the only edict from the Emperor was some time around 300 AD and only
lasted for 18 months.

Well I guess they had to feed the lions something....................

"John B. Alocomb" wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 21:03:24 +0100, "Ian Field"
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"John B. Alocomb" wrote in message
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 21:11:51 +0100, "Ian Field"
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"AMuzi" wrote in message
news On 6/15/2017 4:01 PM, Ian Field wrote:


"Doug Landau" wrote in message
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Just like in North America where there's the myth that
the Amerindians at the time of their discovery by
Europeans were a peaceful bunch living a bountiful life
whereas the facts were that the various tribes were
engaged in ruthless inter-tribal wars often to
annihilation of a tribe for the best
hunting/farming/gathering grounds. The other fact was
that the natives were often barely living at a subsitance
level and the least little upset in game numbers or
climate could mean starvation and the end of that tribal
group.

Actually, what you paint as a simple picture is not so
simple. Conditions varied greatly between locales and
times, and as artifacts evidence, in some places in some
time periods life was easier than in others. Similarly,
ruthless inter-tribal wars existed, and peaceful
inter-tribal relations existed, and neither were uncommon.

As its been described to me; there were a few particularly
nasty tribes, but on the whole the settlers were greeted by
friendly helpful natives - until they realised it was an
invasion........


Great name for a band; Queen Boudicca & the Savages.

Didn't she lead an army of Pagans against the Romans? - WTF is that to
do
with native Americans.

Army of pagans? Weren't the Romans pagan? After all it was ~60 AD and
I don't think that the Vatican had been built yet :-)

Rome was a polytheistic society, it had that much in common with Pagan
beliefs.

The word; "Pagan" has a meaning that you can look up because I can't be
bothered - it has more to do with where they live than what they believe.

The first and I assume major definition of "Pagan: is: "a person who
does not acknowledge your god". It can also be applied to anyone that
doesn't admit to the God of Abraham.

AFAIK: the meaning isn't that specific.

On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 11:50:48 AM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote:

Probably better than the nut jobs that keep popping up with these theories.

Well, it's plain that you haven't a clue that there is an entire science of Anthropology that traces these things.

On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 11:56:50 AM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote:
"John B. Alocomb" wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 21:03:24 +0100, "Ian Field"
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"John B. Alocomb" wrote in message
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 21:11:51 +0100, "Ian Field"
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"AMuzi" wrote in message
news On 6/15/2017 4:01 PM, Ian Field wrote:


"Doug Landau" wrote in message
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Just like in North America where there's the myth that
the Amerindians at the time of their discovery by
Europeans were a peaceful bunch living a bountiful life
whereas the facts were that the various tribes were
engaged in ruthless inter-tribal wars often to
annihilation of a tribe for the best
hunting/farming/gathering grounds. The other fact was
that the natives were often barely living at a subsitance
level and the least little upset in game numbers or
climate could mean starvation and the end of that tribal
group.

Actually, what you paint as a simple picture is not so
simple. Conditions varied greatly between locales and
times, and as artifacts evidence, in some places in some
time periods life was easier than in others. Similarly,
ruthless inter-tribal wars existed, and peaceful
inter-tribal relations existed, and neither were uncommon.

As its been described to me; there were a few particularly
nasty tribes, but on the whole the settlers were greeted by
friendly helpful natives - until they realised it was an
invasion........


Great name for a band; Queen Boudicca & the Savages.

Didn't she lead an army of Pagans against the Romans? - WTF is that to
do
with native Americans.

Army of pagans? Weren't the Romans pagan? After all it was ~60 AD and
I don't think that the Vatican had been built yet :-)

Rome was a polytheistic society, it had that much in common with Pagan
beliefs.

The word; "Pagan" has a meaning that you can look up because I can't be
bothered - it has more to do with where they live than what they believe.

The first and I assume major definition of "Pagan: is: "a person who
does not acknowledge your god". It can also be applied to anyone that
doesn't admit to the God of Abraham.

AFAIK: the meaning isn't that specific.

The Latin term paganismus was first used in the 4th century, by early Christian community, in reference to populations of the Roman world who worshipped many deities, either because they were increasingly rural and provincial relative to the Christian population or else because they were not milites Christi (soldiers of Christ).

In various cultures paganism was used simply to identify those who invented deities for every possible occasion.

As they were Christianized they actually bought most of their "holidays" into the Christian Religion. That's how Christ was born around June but his birth is celebrated near the new year.

On 6/19/2017 4:04 PM, wrote:
On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 11:50:48 AM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote:

Probably better than the nut jobs that keep popping up with these theories.

Well, it's plain that you haven't a clue that there is an entire science of Anthropology that traces these things.


Yes, we're all proud of our Neandertal/Denisovan heritage.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 2:52:00 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/19/2017 4:04 PM, wrote:
On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 11:50:48 AM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote:

Probably better than the nut jobs that keep popping up with these theories.

Well, it's plain that you haven't a clue that there is an entire science of Anthropology that traces these things.


Yes, we're all proud of our Neandertal/Denisovan heritage.

And Ian still drags his knuckles.

"AMuzi" wrote in message
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On 6/19/2017 4:04 PM, wrote:
On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 11:50:48 AM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote:

Probably better than the nut jobs that keep popping up with these
theories.

Well, it's plain that you haven't a clue that there is an entire science
of Anthropology that traces these things.


Yes, we're all proud of our Neandertal/Denisovan heritage.

Tom's from further back than that.

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On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 2:52:00 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/19/2017 4:04 PM, wrote:
On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 11:50:48 AM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote:

Probably better than the nut jobs that keep popping up with these
theories.

Well, it's plain that you haven't a clue that there is an entire
science of Anthropology that traces these things.


Yes, we're all proud of our Neandertal/Denisovan heritage.

And Ian still drags his knuckles.

The only reason you don't is; your arms have worn back to the elbows.

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On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 11:56:50 AM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote:
"John B. Alocomb" wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 21:03:24 +0100, "Ian Field"
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"John B. Alocomb" wrote in message
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 21:11:51 +0100, "Ian Field"
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"AMuzi" wrote in message
news On 6/15/2017 4:01 PM, Ian Field wrote:


"Doug Landau" wrote in message
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Just like in North America where there's the myth that
the Amerindians at the time of their discovery by
Europeans were a peaceful bunch living a bountiful life
whereas the facts were that the various tribes were
engaged in ruthless inter-tribal wars often to
annihilation of a tribe for the best
hunting/farming/gathering grounds. The other fact was
that the natives were often barely living at a subsitance
level and the least little upset in game numbers or
climate could mean starvation and the end of that tribal
group.

Actually, what you paint as a simple picture is not so
simple. Conditions varied greatly between locales and
times, and as artifacts evidence, in some places in some
time periods life was easier than in others. Similarly,
ruthless inter-tribal wars existed, and peaceful
inter-tribal relations existed, and neither were uncommon.

As its been described to me; there were a few particularly
nasty tribes, but on the whole the settlers were greeted by
friendly helpful natives - until they realised it was an
invasion........


Great name for a band; Queen Boudicca & the Savages.

Didn't she lead an army of Pagans against the Romans? - WTF is that
to
do
with native Americans.

Army of pagans? Weren't the Romans pagan? After all it was ~60 AD and
I don't think that the Vatican had been built yet :-)

Rome was a polytheistic society, it had that much in common with Pagan
beliefs.

The word; "Pagan" has a meaning that you can look up because I can't be
bothered - it has more to do with where they live than what they
believe.

The first and I assume major definition of "Pagan: is: "a person who
does not acknowledge your god". It can also be applied to anyone that
doesn't admit to the God of Abraham.

AFAIK: the meaning isn't that specific.

The Latin term paganismus was first used in the 4th century, by early
Christian community, in reference to populations of the Roman world who
worshipped many deities, either because they were increasingly rural and
provincial relative to the Christian population or else because they were
not milites Christi (soldiers of Christ).

In various cultures paganism was used simply to identify those who
invented deities for every possible occasion.

As they were Christianized they actually bought most of their "holidays"
into the Christian Religion. That's how Christ was born around June but
his birth is celebrated near the new year.

I've never argued otherwise - AFAIK: *ALL* the Christian festivals were
ripped off from Pagans in various countries invaded by the Christians.

Oester was probably ripped off from scandinavia or thereabouts - but i
haven't bothered learning them all off by heart.