Making America into Amsterdam

On 7/27/2018 2:09 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 9:44:15 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:

Has anyone besides me had the experience of riding their bike home from
work with acute appendicitis?

No, but I've ridden my bike with acute pulmonary embolism, broken hand, separated shoulder, broken ribs, broken legs (although with internal fixation and ortho boots), internal bleeding, concussion, facial, leg, arm lacerations, flu, head-cold, allergies, hang-over, sunburn, acne and indigestion. Not all at the same time. My hair is also thinning, and my joints hurt.

Impressive! I can check off only a few of those: flu, head cold,
hangover, sunburn.

My greying brothers falsely accuse me of dying my hair, and one woman
once tried to tug off what she thought must be a toupee. And my knees
hurt only if I _haven't_ been cycling enough.

I could do a century with acute appendicitis.

Not me. It was tough making it up the hills on that seven mile ride!

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 7/27/2018 2:45 PM, Duane wrote:
On 27/07/2018 11:49 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
Duane writes:

No one was talking about high beams.Â* They were talking about the LED or
whatever headlights that give off a bright bluish tinted light.Â* Bright
enough to seem like they’re high beams.

Frank *is* talking about high beams:


Yes, well I should have said no one WAS talking about hi beams.Â* We
certainly weren't when we originally hijacked this thread.

"Hijacked this thread" is hyperbole. Threads change topics just as
ordinary conversations do. Get used to it.

The "hijacked" complaint reminds me of the dire warnings at the
beginning of every DVD: "Piracy is not a victimless crime!!!"

Um... right. So I won't get a Zodiac inflatable and rocket launcher and
attack some oil tankers.


--
- Frank Krygowski

On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 11:09:28 AM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 9:44:15 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/26/2018 9:43 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:

If little Joey has adequate medical attention his appendicitis will
never become acute.

Sorry, I disagree based on personal experience.

Has anyone besides me had the experience of riding their bike home from
work with acute appendicitis?

It didn't happen because of a lack of medical attention. I felt fine in
the morning, and not very bad in the afternoon. I had a belly ache on
the way home, but by about 7 PM I was feverish and shaking. My doctor
came into the office to examine me, and by about 9 PM I was at the ER,
based on his evaluation.

No, but I've ridden my bike with acute pulmonary embolism, broken hand, separated shoulder, broken ribs, broken legs (although with internal fixation and ortho boots), internal bleeding, concussion, facial, leg, arm lacerations, flu, head-cold, allergies, hang-over, sunburn, acne and indigestion. Not all at the same time. My hair is also thinning, and my joints hurt. I could do a century with acute appendicitis.

Let's face it, little Joey was a slacker. I don't miss him in the least. And the last time I checked, even people with no cars can call an ambulance or even Uber. No need to ride the bike to the hospital.

Don't they have ambulances in Cameron Park? Uber? Yellow cab? A spare golf cart? We can save little Joey!

-- Jay Beattie.

How did you ride a bike with an acute pulmonary embolism? Either one or both of your lungs wouldn't be working and if the embolism spread enough to close off both pulmonary arteries you'd be dead in 120 seconds.

Nor could you ride down the block let alone on a century with acute appendicitis. The symptoms are EXTREME pain in the lower-right abdomen area and aside from this is can breach causing so many deadly conditions that it is rather funny that you're saying that. I can only assume that is one of your jokes.

On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 4:06:33 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/27/2018 2:09 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 9:44:15 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:

Has anyone besides me had the experience of riding their bike home from
work with acute appendicitis?

No, but I've ridden my bike with acute pulmonary embolism, broken hand, separated shoulder, broken ribs, broken legs (although with internal fixation and ortho boots), internal bleeding, concussion, facial, leg, arm lacerations, flu, head-cold, allergies, hang-over, sunburn, acne and indigestion.. Not all at the same time. My hair is also thinning, and my joints hurt.

Impressive! I can check off only a few of those: flu, head cold,
hangover, sunburn.

My greying brothers falsely accuse me of dying my hair, and one woman
once tried to tug off what she thought must be a toupee. And my knees
hurt only if I _haven't_ been cycling enough.

I could do a century with acute appendicitis.

Not me. It was tough making it up the hills on that seven mile ride!

--
- Frank Krygowski

Having hair on your head is for sissies.

On 7/27/2018 3:42 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-07-27 12:25, sms wrote:
On 7/27/2018 8:45 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:

Ohio must be different.Â* I have experienced over-bright headlights, and
headlights that are poorly aimed, but have never been anywhere that
drivers commonly neglected to dim their brights for oncoming motor
traffic.Â* In many locales behaving that way would be tempting homicidal
road rage, not to mention traffic citations.

Ditto, California drivers are very good about dimming their lights.But I
can say that within my own family, when driving and we see movement at
night, that could be an animal, pedestrian, or poorly lit or unlit
cyclist, we do put on the high beams in order to see them better. And
say something among ourselves, like "what an idiot," (if it's a person!).

We bike a lot and we are careful to use lights and other visibility aids
at night and we don't experience the issue of motorists blinding us with
high beams. It's a choice we make to ensure that motorists can easily
see us, and obviously not everyone makes the same choice. To insist
"motorists should be able to see us even when we are not conspicuous" is
not very smart, IMVAIO.

As a cyclists, it's a conscious decision to decide whether to use no
lighting, minimum legal lighting, or lighting that makes you
conspicuous. If using no lighting or poor lighting then you should be
grateful that motorists are paying sufficient attention to the road that
when they see movement they try to see you! Also remember that not every
driver has the best night vision.


Many cyclists are blissfully risk-ignorant. Not just in traffic where
they ride unlit or poorly lit at night.

Regarding bike lighting, the main dispute here is the Scharf definition
of "poor lighting" - by which he means anything that does not have a
circular beam pattern of blinding brightness. In particular, he
specifically disparages headlamps which have optics engineered to
properly light the road while not blinding oncoming traffic. He's nuts.

Yesterday I rode through a long
narrow bike path tunnel underneath Hwy 50. All others generally blow
through there at their full 15-25mph, in almost total darkness. Yet this
is a place where rattlesnakes often curl up to cool off.

I always go through there at 5mph with my headlight at full power.
Because of rattlers and because there is the occasional homeless person
sleeping off yesterday's hangover.

Ah, rattlesnakes in tunnels! Another deadly hazard in Joergland!

So, how many tunnel rattlesnake bike fatalities in your very special area?

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 7/27/2018 5:20 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 07:25:05 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-07-26 18:43, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 16:27:45 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-07-25 16:41, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2018 13:38:57 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-07-24 19:53, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jul 2018 07:41:08 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-07-23 18:27, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 15:13:21 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-07-22 21:44, John B. Slocomb wrote:

[...]


If the bicycles are for work, what are the cars for?


Have you ever tried to haul half a ton of wood pellets, firewood,
construction lumber and whatnot on a bicycle, uphill? With uphill I mean
some serious hills.

Why ever not? Small loads and many trips, just as you would if you
were walking. The argument, "OH! It is too big for my bike", is just
that an argument for using the car.


Obviously you have never hauled four cords of firewood from a location
that is 1400ft lower than where you live. That's eight tons.


Quite the opposite. I spent much of my second career transporting
stuff through jungles, up and down hills and through swamps. I'm quite
aware of the effort of moving tons of machinery and equipment up and
down hills.


On a bicycle. Through the jungle. Right.

Well, not on a bicycle but certainly through the jungle. I might add
that in some places, usually swamps, we carried the cargo on our
heads, arms, back, any way we could get it there.

The sysmic crews, who admitedly didn't work for me, were strictly
human powered. Every thing that they did was powered by hand. Cut a
path through the jungle - by hand. Drill the shot holes - by hand.
Carry everything through the jungle - by hand. Build a camp - by hand.


When cost is not an issue or the government pays the tab that's
feasible. When cost is an issue and its for a house it is an issue. It
doesn't work.


I might point out that my father built two houses (2 bedroom and 3
bedroom) while working as a postal clerk by doing all of the work
himself. Granted it does take a long time but it is both possible and
economically feasible.


And how did the lumber, cladding and all that get there? On a bicycle?
On foot?


've got to qualify that by adding "with the building codes of the
period" as modern building codes have, in my opinion, gone far past
the reasonable and appear to have become simply job protection for
those in the trade.


To some extent yes. Electrical code, no, that is mostly there to prevent
fires and electrocution.

Really? In New Hampshire "Metal Clad" electrical cable is approved for
use in wiring houses. In California it is not approved. Do you think
that electrical shorts are different in one state or the other.

California, at least when I was there, would not allow an electrician
to work unless he had a California license. No electricity in the
other states?




Yeah, some dreamers can go back to the no-car world. Then when little
Joey gets acute appendicitis he can't be transported fast enough and
dies from it. Like in the "good old" days.

[...]

If little Joey has adequate medical attention his appendicitis will
never become acute.


Nope. Appendicitis happens out of the blue and it can go fast. A
neighbor was transported to a hospital, fast, and the doc said after the
surgery that the appendix literally exploded in his hand when he
operated. Without a motor vehicle available he would have very likely
died from something that is rather simple to fix these days. Same for
many other illnesses, including non-preventable ones such as rattlesnake
bites.


I think that you watch too much TV. Given that my brother had an
impending "acute appendix" and was simply driven to the hospital where
they operated and another bloke after I was in the A.F. that we took
to the hospital with a swollen stomach and pains, that was labeled
"acute" I doubt very much that acute is necessarily "ready to
explode".


Indeed the progression and extent varies a lot. For some
people, it's progressively more painful but diagnosed
properly and removed without drama. In others, the infection
can escalate quickly and burst, which falls between
extremely serious and fatal.

I doubt this has relevance to bicycles or social policy but
inflamed appendix gets immediate attention for good reason.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 7/27/2018 6:23 PM, wrote:
On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 4:06:33 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/27/2018 2:09 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 9:44:15 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:

Has anyone besides me had the experience of riding their bike home from
work with acute appendicitis?

No, but I've ridden my bike with acute pulmonary embolism, broken hand, separated shoulder, broken ribs, broken legs (although with internal fixation and ortho boots), internal bleeding, concussion, facial, leg, arm lacerations, flu, head-cold, allergies, hang-over, sunburn, acne and indigestion. Not all at the same time. My hair is also thinning, and my joints hurt.

Impressive! I can check off only a few of those: flu, head cold,
hangover, sunburn.

My greying brothers falsely accuse me of dying my hair, and one woman
once tried to tug off what she thought must be a toupee. And my knees
hurt only if I _haven't_ been cycling enough.

I could do a century with acute appendicitis.

Not me. It was tough making it up the hills on that seven mile ride!

--
- Frank Krygowski

Having hair on your head is for sissies.


Hey watch it, pal.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 07:25:05 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-07-26 18:43, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 16:27:45 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-07-25 16:41, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2018 13:38:57 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-07-24 19:53, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jul 2018 07:41:08 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-07-23 18:27, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 15:13:21 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-07-22 21:44, John B. Slocomb wrote:

[...]


If the bicycles are for work, what are the cars for?


Have you ever tried to haul half a ton of wood pellets, firewood,
construction lumber and whatnot on a bicycle, uphill? With uphill I mean
some serious hills.

Why ever not? Small loads and many trips, just as you would if you
were walking. The argument, "OH! It is too big for my bike", is just
that an argument for using the car.


Obviously you have never hauled four cords of firewood from a location
that is 1400ft lower than where you live. That's eight tons.


Quite the opposite. I spent much of my second career transporting
stuff through jungles, up and down hills and through swamps. I'm quite
aware of the effort of moving tons of machinery and equipment up and
down hills.


On a bicycle. Through the jungle. Right.

Well, not on a bicycle but certainly through the jungle. I might add
that in some places, usually swamps, we carried the cargo on our
heads, arms, back, any way we could get it there.

The sysmic crews, who admitedly didn't work for me, were strictly
human powered. Every thing that they did was powered by hand. Cut a
path through the jungle - by hand. Drill the shot holes - by hand.
Carry everything through the jungle - by hand. Build a camp - by hand.


When cost is not an issue or the government pays the tab that's
feasible. When cost is an issue and its for a house it is an issue. It
doesn't work.


I might point out that my father built two houses (2 bedroom and 3
bedroom) while working as a postal clerk by doing all of the work
himself. Granted it does take a long time but it is both possible and
economically feasible.


And how did the lumber, cladding and all that get there? On a bicycle?
On foot?


Well for the houses we intended to live in we used sawn lumber but my
brother and I (with some help from my father) did build a one room
"log cabin". Did the whole thing ourselves. Chopped down the trees,
hauled them to the buildiing site by hand, notched the logs and
erected the sides. The roof was split timber, laid overlapping. The
window frame and door frame we split and then sided with what served
as a broad axe.

Traditional, you know. No lights or water.


I've got to qualify that by adding "with the building codes of the
period" as modern building codes have, in my opinion, gone far past
the reasonable and appear to have become simply job protection for
those in the trade.


To some extent yes. Electrical code, no, that is mostly there to prevent
fires and electrocution.


Yeah, some dreamers can go back to the no-car world. Then when little
Joey gets acute appendicitis he can't be transported fast enough and
dies from it. Like in the "good old" days.

[...]

If little Joey has adequate medical attention his appendicitis will
never become acute.


Nope. Appendicitis happens out of the blue and it can go fast. A
neighbor was transported to a hospital, fast, and the doc said after the
surgery that the appendix literally exploded in his hand when he
operated. Without a motor vehicle available he would have very likely
died from something that is rather simple to fix these days. Same for
many other illnesses, including non-preventable ones such as rattlesnake
bites.

On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 13:39:29 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 7/27/2018 11:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/26/2018 9:43 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:

If little Joey has adequate medical attention his
appendicitis will
never become acute.

Sorry, I disagree based on personal experience.

Has anyone besides me had the experience of riding their
bike home from work with acute appendicitis?

It didn't happen because of a lack of medical attention. I
felt fine in the morning, and not very bad in the afternoon.
I had a belly ache on the way home, but by about 7 PM I was
feverish and shaking. My doctor came into the office to
examine me, and by about 9 PM I was at the ER, based on his
evaluation.

Which is just what I said. " If little Joey has adequate medical
attention his appendicitis will never become acute."




Notoriously difficult to diagnose and the stakes are too
high to guess. My brother the Doc says he would demur and
defer to a specialist.

A guy in the welding shop breathed too many zinc fumes and was all
curled up and groaning so we took him to the Emergency Clinic (USAF)
where we were trying to explain to the doctor on duty that "It isn't
an appendix, the guy's got galvanized poisoning".

Had the doctor's mate not come in and looked up zinc in the poison
handbook they would have started cutting.

On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 19:26:31 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 7/27/2018 6:23 PM, wrote:
On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 4:06:33 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/27/2018 2:09 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 9:44:15 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:

Has anyone besides me had the experience of riding their bike home from
work with acute appendicitis?

No, but I've ridden my bike with acute pulmonary embolism, broken hand, separated shoulder, broken ribs, broken legs (although with internal fixation and ortho boots), internal bleeding, concussion, facial, leg, arm lacerations, flu, head-cold, allergies, hang-over, sunburn, acne and indigestion. Not all at the same time. My hair is also thinning, and my joints hurt.

Impressive! I can check off only a few of those: flu, head cold,
hangover, sunburn.

My greying brothers falsely accuse me of dying my hair, and one woman
once tried to tug off what she thought must be a toupee. And my knees
hurt only if I _haven't_ been cycling enough.

I could do a century with acute appendicitis.

Not me. It was tough making it up the hills on that seven mile ride!

--
- Frank Krygowski

Having hair on your head is for sissies.


Hey watch it, pal.


Haven't I read something equating lack of hair and intelligence. Or
was that lack of hair and sexual activity?