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On 2017-07-31 11:31, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 10:34:00 AM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2017-07-28 15:57, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 2:10:10 PM UTC-7, David Scheidt wrote: Joy Beeson wrote: :On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 09:39:03 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: : Just two water bottles that I filled every 50 miles. :When I could ride that far, a bottle would last about ten miles. Jay's a camel. Not like Jobst. I fill up big bottles. I just don't take more than two -- except on rare occasion. When selecting a bike, I don't go into the store and ask for an '80s Euro-sport bike with a rack so I can haul gallons of water on a day ride. Joerg has peculiar needs. I'm fine with a couple of bottle bosses and 160mm brake rotors on a gravel bike. If I were riding trails in the middle of nowhere, I might consider a camel back or some other option, but I'm not. I'm never that far from water on a day ride. http://www.performancebike.com/webap...HydrationGuide Quote: "Carry and consume one 16-24oz bottle of plain water, plus one extra 16-24oz bottle of an energy drink for each hour on the bike". Most of my rides are 4-5h and I am a tall guy who is more at the upper end of the water requirement scale. So there. Yes, this also applies to Oregonians since they have a store in Portland :-) -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ That's NUTS! They're teling you that you have to drink an 8 ounces cup (250 ml) of liquid every FIFTEEN minutes! That's if you use the smaller 16 0unces capacity NOT the 24 ounces sizes. 2 x 16 = 32 ounces divided by 8 = 4 and 1 hour devided by 4 is 15 minutes. If you use two 24 ounces bottles you have 48 ounces divided by 4 = 12 ounces evey fifteen minutes which is 1.5 cups per quarter hour. Gads at that rate for a 4 hour + ride you'd dang near need a trailer just for your liquids! Over 4-5h of hard MTB riding on a 95-100F day I find that 1-1/2 gallons of liquids is adequate. But not less than that. I could have used more but that's all I had on the bike. I have met plenty of people on trails who thought like you, that this was ridiculous and all that. They did not look too well healthwise and sometimes I gave them one of my bottles. In one case almost all my water because the guy appeared close to heading towards the eternal trails. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 2017-07-31 11:53, Duane wrote:
On 31/07/2017 2:31 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 10:34:00 AM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2017-07-28 15:57, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 2:10:10 PM UTC-7, David Scheidt wrote: Joy Beeson wrote: :On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 09:39:03 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: : Just two water bottles that I filled every 50 miles. :When I could ride that far, a bottle would last about ten miles. Jay's a camel. Not like Jobst. I fill up big bottles. I just don't take more than two -- except on rare occasion. When selecting a bike, I don't go into the store and ask for an '80s Euro-sport bike with a rack so I can haul gallons of water on a day ride. Joerg has peculiar needs. I'm fine with a couple of bottle bosses and 160mm brake rotors on a gravel bike. If I were riding trails in the middle of nowhere, I might consider a camel back or some other option, but I'm not. I'm never that far from water on a day ride. http://www.performancebike.com/webap...HydrationGuide Quote: "Carry and consume one 16-24oz bottle of plain water, plus one extra 16-24oz bottle of an energy drink for each hour on the bike". Most of my rides are 4-5h and I am a tall guy who is more at the upper end of the water requirement scale. So there. Yes, this also applies to Oregonians since they have a store in Portland :-) -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ That's NUTS! They're teling you that you have to drink an 8 ounces cup (250 ml) of liquid every FIFTEEN minutes! That's if you use the smaller 16 0unces capacity NOT the 24 ounces sizes. 2 x 16 = 32 ounces divided by 8 = 4 and 1 hour devided by 4 is 15 minutes. If you use two 24 ounces bottles you have 48 ounces divided by 4 = 12 ounces evey fifteen minutes which is 1.5 cups per quarter hour. Gads at that rate for a 4 hour + ride you'd dang near need a trailer just for your liquids! Cheers They must mean 1- 16 - 24oz bottle of water OR energy drink per hour. I did a bit over 100k yesterday and had to fill my 2 24oz water bottles at the midway point. Average speed was about 29k/h and it was a bit muggy but not excessively hot. Not much wind and probably 500m of ascent so not a particularly tough ride. 4 bottles was plenty. I can't imagine drinking twice that much liquid. Maybe if I was climbing in the Alps or something. Aside form the hilliness it depends on what "not excessively hot" means. For folks in Arizona that can mean anything under 105F. In Alaska they consider a 30F days a scorcher. Where I live we can have weeks of 100F+ weather, like right now. Most people simply stop riding during that time just like they do when it's below freezing. I don't. The amount of sweat is so enormous that I need two head bands of the extra-wide kind. They get swapped out every 10-20mi, with the wet one being wrung out and then hung onto a strap of a pannier. Meaning nobody would draft me unless they carried a nose clamp :-) -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 31/07/2017 3:09 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-31 11:53, Duane wrote: On 31/07/2017 2:31 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 10:34:00 AM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2017-07-28 15:57, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 2:10:10 PM UTC-7, David Scheidt wrote: Joy Beeson wrote: :On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 09:39:03 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: : Just two water bottles that I filled every 50 miles. :When I could ride that far, a bottle would last about ten miles. Jay's a camel. Not like Jobst. I fill up big bottles. I just don't take more than two -- except on rare occasion. When selecting a bike, I don't go into the store and ask for an '80s Euro-sport bike with a rack so I can haul gallons of water on a day ride. Joerg has peculiar needs. I'm fine with a couple of bottle bosses and 160mm brake rotors on a gravel bike. If I were riding trails in the middle of nowhere, I might consider a camel back or some other option, but I'm not. I'm never that far from water on a day ride. http://www.performancebike.com/webap...HydrationGuide Quote: "Carry and consume one 16-24oz bottle of plain water, plus one extra 16-24oz bottle of an energy drink for each hour on the bike". Most of my rides are 4-5h and I am a tall guy who is more at the upper end of the water requirement scale. So there. Yes, this also applies to Oregonians since they have a store in Portland :-) -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ That's NUTS! They're teling you that you have to drink an 8 ounces cup (250 ml) of liquid every FIFTEEN minutes! That's if you use the smaller 16 0unces capacity NOT the 24 ounces sizes. 2 x 16 = 32 ounces divided by 8 = 4 and 1 hour devided by 4 is 15 minutes. If you use two 24 ounces bottles you have 48 ounces divided by 4 = 12 ounces evey fifteen minutes which is 1.5 cups per quarter hour. Gads at that rate for a 4 hour + ride you'd dang near need a trailer just for your liquids! Cheers They must mean 1- 16 - 24oz bottle of water OR energy drink per hour. I did a bit over 100k yesterday and had to fill my 2 24oz water bottles at the midway point. Average speed was about 29k/h and it was a bit muggy but not excessively hot. Not much wind and probably 500m of ascent so not a particularly tough ride. 4 bottles was plenty. I can't imagine drinking twice that much liquid. Maybe if I was climbing in the Alps or something. Aside form the hilliness it depends on what "not excessively hot" means. For folks in Arizona that can mean anything under 105F. In Alaska they consider a 30F days a scorcher. Where I live we can have weeks of 100F+ weather, like right now. Most people simply stop riding during that time just like they do when it's below freezing. I don't. The amount of sweat is so enormous that I need two head bands of the extra-wide kind. They get swapped out every 10-20mi, with the wet one being wrung out and then hung onto a strap of a pannier. Meaning nobody would draft me unless they carried a nose clamp :-) Coming from New Orleans, I rarely find it excessively hot in Quebec/Ontario. But I think it has more to do with the amount of energy you expend than with the temperature. I can use more water on a cold day riding flat out than on a hot day taking it easy. Anyway I don't ride like you do or where you do so I am not telling you what to do. If you think you need to carry 55 gallon drums of water, go for it. |
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On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 3:02:16 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-31 11:31, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 10:34:00 AM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2017-07-28 15:57, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 2:10:10 PM UTC-7, David Scheidt wrote: Joy Beeson wrote: :On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 09:39:03 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: : Just two water bottles that I filled every 50 miles. :When I could ride that far, a bottle would last about ten miles. Jay's a camel. Not like Jobst. I fill up big bottles. I just don't take more than two -- except on rare occasion. When selecting a bike, I don't go into the store and ask for an '80s Euro-sport bike with a rack so I can haul gallons of water on a day ride. Joerg has peculiar needs. I'm fine with a couple of bottle bosses and 160mm brake rotors on a gravel bike. If I were riding trails in the middle of nowhere, I might consider a camel back or some other option, but I'm not. I'm never that far from water on a day ride. http://www.performancebike.com/webap...HydrationGuide Quote: "Carry and consume one 16-24oz bottle of plain water, plus one extra 16-24oz bottle of an energy drink for each hour on the bike". Most of my rides are 4-5h and I am a tall guy who is more at the upper end of the water requirement scale. So there. Yes, this also applies to Oregonians since they have a store in Portland :-) -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ That's NUTS! They're teling you that you have to drink an 8 ounces cup (250 ml) of liquid every FIFTEEN minutes! That's if you use the smaller 16 0unces capacity NOT the 24 ounces sizes. 2 x 16 = 32 ounces divided by 8 = 4 and 1 hour devided by 4 is 15 minutes. If you use two 24 ounces bottles you have 48 ounces divided by 4 = 12 ounces evey fifteen minutes which is 1.5 cups per quarter hour. Gads at that rate for a 4 hour + ride you'd dang near need a trailer just for your liquids! Over 4-5h of hard MTB riding on a 95-100F day I find that 1-1/2 gallons of liquids is adequate. But not less than that. I could have used more but that's all I had on the bike. I have met plenty of people on trails who thought like you, that this was ridiculous and all that. They did not look too well healthwise and sometimes I gave them one of my bottles. In one case almost all my water because the guy appeared close to heading towards the eternal trails. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Someone on the verge of heat exhaustion or heat stroke is NOT going to be able to exercise after drinking just one 16 ounces bottle of water or energy drink. To give such a person water or energy drink and then leave them is irresponsible. Cheers |
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On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 2:56:45 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-31 11:37, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 2:00:33 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: Snipped Quote: "Carry and consume one 16-24oz bottle of plain water, plus one extra 16-24oz bottle of an energy drink for each hour on the bike". Snipped It's not my equation, it is recommended by sports medicine guys and they know a thing or two about dehydration. I assume they calculated for heavy riding where you pump out close to as much as your body will give at the current weather conditions. Note they say "per hour", not "per xx miles". The same sports medicine guys who used to recomend that runners and other athletes drink so much water during exercise that some runners and athletes died of hyponatremia or water intoxication. Or are those sports medicine guys getting a kickback from the energy drink people? Performance Bike getting kickbacks from energy drink people? Sometimes I wonder just what you are smoking. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Well there Joerg, that's fine. I thappen to think thatthe vast majority of your posts/claims are bull**** trolling. Cheers |
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On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 10:53:16 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-29 17:43, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 7:34:00 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-07-28 15:57, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 2:10:10 PM UTC-7, David Scheidt wrote: Joy Beeson wrote: :On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 09:39:03 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: : Just two water bottles that I filled every 50 miles. :When I could ride that far, a bottle would last about ten miles. Jay's a camel. Not like Jobst. I fill up big bottles. I just don't take more than two -- except on rare occasion. When selecting a bike, I don't go into the store and ask for an '80s Euro-sport bike with a rack so I can haul gallons of water on a day ride. Joerg has peculiar needs. I'm fine with a couple of bottle bosses and 160mm brake rotors on a gravel bike. If I were riding trails in the middle of nowhere, I might consider a camel back or some other option, but I'm not. I'm never that far from water on a day ride. http://www.performancebike.com/webap...HydrationGuide Quote: "Carry and consume one 16-24oz bottle of plain water, plus one extra 16-24oz bottle of an energy drink for each hour on the bike". Most of my rides are 4-5h and I am a tall guy who is more at the upper end of the water requirement scale. So there. Yes, this also applies to Oregonians since they have a store in Portland :-) There used to be three Performance stores in Portand, but they closed the one downtown -- the only one close to my work or home. So, reading that prescription, do I have to carry eight bottles for a four hour ride? Certainly so in hot weather. If you carry much less and have no re-fill options you could be causing damage to your body. ... Wow, I better start buying cages and hose clamps. Or I could just stop every hour and fill up my bottles -- assuming I needed all that fluid. Hmmmmmm. I need that much fluid when it's around 100F out there like right now. Yesterday's ride was only 20mi in hilly terrain and I consumed about 70oz of water plys 16oz of electrolyte. Ok, plus two pints at a brewpub :-) I did a 30 mile loop this afternoon -- nothing terrible because I'm expecting to get throttled by some friends tomorrow. Temperature was low-mid 80s -- blue skies, low wind. A gorgeous day. I went through one 21oz bottle, and there is still some water sloshing around in the bottle. Unless you rode really slowly that wasn't healthy even without much sun. Well, I felt good enough to go out yesterday for a 55 mile ride with about 20 miles of steady or rolling hills, during which time I drank one 24oz bottle of Hammer Heed and a quarter of a 21oz bottle of water -- plus a Cliff Bar. I went early and temperatures were mild, and except for the return trip down HWY 30, I was often under tree cover. http://www.sahdpdx.com/wp-content/up...highway_30.jpg You complain about your drivers, I was on this road: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fzwm4m3ZFI (although it was sunny and nice). It was pretty empty early morning, so no urban race-car drivers. First climb of the day is four miles of mostly gravel. http://www.rubbertotheroad.com/ride-...de_36/36_3.jpg It's like being in the Hobbit kingdom. If it were blistering hot (i.e. Thursday is predicted to be 107), I would have consumed much more water, and I would have stopped to refill. The center section of the ride doesn't have anywhere to stop (unless I tapped someone's hosebib), but there are spots elsewhere, and the last eight miles home are through the city -- basically my commute route plus a few miles. If I were so inclined, I could go to a half-dozen brew pubs, including the new Breakside in NW. Their IPA is first-rate. However, I prefer not to ride home after drinking beer. I felt way better than I should have coming home, I think because of the HEED -- and a tail wind. Drinking for recovery is just as important as drinking on the bike, so I had a beer after getting home -- and then mowed the lawn. That was hard! I drank 120oz of water! -- Jay Beattie. |
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On 31/07/2017 4:09 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 10:53:16 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-07-29 17:43, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 7:34:00 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-07-28 15:57, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 2:10:10 PM UTC-7, David Scheidt wrote: Joy Beeson wrote: :On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 09:39:03 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: : Just two water bottles that I filled every 50 miles. :When I could ride that far, a bottle would last about ten miles. Jay's a camel. Not like Jobst. I fill up big bottles. I just don't take more than two -- except on rare occasion. When selecting a bike, I don't go into the store and ask for an '80s Euro-sport bike with a rack so I can haul gallons of water on a day ride. Joerg has peculiar needs. I'm fine with a couple of bottle bosses and 160mm brake rotors on a gravel bike. If I were riding trails in the middle of nowhere, I might consider a camel back or some other option, but I'm not. I'm never that far from water on a day ride. http://www.performancebike.com/webap...HydrationGuide Quote: "Carry and consume one 16-24oz bottle of plain water, plus one extra 16-24oz bottle of an energy drink for each hour on the bike". Most of my rides are 4-5h and I am a tall guy who is more at the upper end of the water requirement scale. So there. Yes, this also applies to Oregonians since they have a store in Portland :-) There used to be three Performance stores in Portand, but they closed the one downtown -- the only one close to my work or home. So, reading that prescription, do I have to carry eight bottles for a four hour ride? Certainly so in hot weather. If you carry much less and have no re-fill options you could be causing damage to your body. ... Wow, I better start buying cages and hose clamps. Or I could just stop every hour and fill up my bottles -- assuming I needed all that fluid. Hmmmmmm. I need that much fluid when it's around 100F out there like right now. Yesterday's ride was only 20mi in hilly terrain and I consumed about 70oz of water plys 16oz of electrolyte. Ok, plus two pints at a brewpub :-) I did a 30 mile loop this afternoon -- nothing terrible because I'm expecting to get throttled by some friends tomorrow. Temperature was low-mid 80s -- blue skies, low wind. A gorgeous day. I went through one 21oz bottle, and there is still some water sloshing around in the bottle. Unless you rode really slowly that wasn't healthy even without much sun. Well, I felt good enough to go out yesterday for a 55 mile ride with about 20 miles of steady or rolling hills, during which time I drank one 24oz bottle of Hammer Heed and a quarter of a 21oz bottle of water -- plus a Cliff Bar. I went early and temperatures were mild, and except for the return trip down HWY 30, I was often under tree cover. http://www.sahdpdx.com/wp-content/up...highway_30.jpg You complain about your drivers, I was on this road: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fzwm4m3ZFI (although it was sunny and nice). It was pretty empty early morning, so no urban race-car drivers. First climb of the day is four miles of mostly gravel. http://www.rubbertotheroad.com/ride-...de_36/36_3.jpg It's like being in the Hobbit kingdom. If it were blistering hot (i.e. Thursday is predicted to be 107), I would have consumed much more water, and I would have stopped to refill. The center section of the ride doesn't have anywhere to stop (unless I tapped someone's hosebib), but there are spots elsewhere, and the last eight miles home are through the city -- basically my commute route plus a few miles. If I were so inclined, I could go to a half-dozen brew pubs, including the new Breakside in NW. Their IPA is first-rate. However, I prefer not to ride home after drinking beer. I felt way better than I should have coming home, I think because of the HEED -- and a tail wind. Drinking for recovery is just as important as drinking on the bike, so I had a beer after getting home -- and then mowed the lawn. That was hard! I drank 120oz of water! -- Jay Beattie. Hammer Heed is good stuff. For cutting the lawn after the trick is to be able to manager the mower with one hand leaving one free for the beer. |
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On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 12:02:16 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-31 11:31, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 10:34:00 AM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2017-07-28 15:57, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 2:10:10 PM UTC-7, David Scheidt wrote: Joy Beeson wrote: :On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 09:39:03 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: : Just two water bottles that I filled every 50 miles. :When I could ride that far, a bottle would last about ten miles. Jay's a camel. Not like Jobst. I fill up big bottles. I just don't take more than two -- except on rare occasion. When selecting a bike, I don't go into the store and ask for an '80s Euro-sport bike with a rack so I can haul gallons of water on a day ride. Joerg has peculiar needs. I'm fine with a couple of bottle bosses and 160mm brake rotors on a gravel bike. If I were riding trails in the middle of nowhere, I might consider a camel back or some other option, but I'm not. I'm never that far from water on a day ride. http://www.performancebike.com/webap...HydrationGuide Quote: "Carry and consume one 16-24oz bottle of plain water, plus one extra 16-24oz bottle of an energy drink for each hour on the bike". Most of my rides are 4-5h and I am a tall guy who is more at the upper end of the water requirement scale. So there. Yes, this also applies to Oregonians since they have a store in Portland :-) -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ That's NUTS! They're teling you that you have to drink an 8 ounces cup (250 ml) of liquid every FIFTEEN minutes! That's if you use the smaller 16 0unces capacity NOT the 24 ounces sizes. 2 x 16 = 32 ounces divided by 8 = 4 and 1 hour devided by 4 is 15 minutes. If you use two 24 ounces bottles you have 48 ounces divided by 4 = 12 ounces evey fifteen minutes which is 1.5 cups per quarter hour. Gads at that rate for a 4 hour + ride you'd dang near need a trailer just for your liquids! Over 4-5h of hard MTB riding on a 95-100F day I find that 1-1/2 gallons of liquids is adequate. But not less than that. I could have used more but that's all I had on the bike. I have met plenty of people on trails who thought like you, that this was ridiculous and all that. They did not look too well healthwise and sometimes I gave them one of my bottles. In one case almost all my water because the guy appeared close to heading towards the eternal trails. We're talking road biking and not trail riding or walking. Let them die. More food for the mountain lions. Is there a town square arch in Cameron Park built from human bones -- like the elk antler arch in Jackson Hole? With all the dead from dehydration, mountain lions, crazy drivers, etc., one would expect there to be some sort of monument -- and intervention by the CDC. Maybe an indication on the map -- skull and cross-bones, like the Bermuda triangle. "Going to Cameron Park may result in death, disfigurement or disability." I got thirsty in Cameron Park and went to the 7-11 across from the airfield and got a Slurpee. I did, however, note the accumulation of human skeletal remains along the road. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On 2017-07-31 12:33, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 3:02:16 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2017-07-31 11:31, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 10:34:00 AM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2017-07-28 15:57, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 2:10:10 PM UTC-7, David Scheidt wrote: Joy Beeson wrote: :On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 09:39:03 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: : Just two water bottles that I filled every 50 miles. :When I could ride that far, a bottle would last about ten miles. Jay's a camel. Not like Jobst. I fill up big bottles. I just don't take more than two -- except on rare occasion. When selecting a bike, I don't go into the store and ask for an '80s Euro-sport bike with a rack so I can haul gallons of water on a day ride. Joerg has peculiar needs. I'm fine with a couple of bottle bosses and 160mm brake rotors on a gravel bike. If I were riding trails in the middle of nowhere, I might consider a camel back or some other option, but I'm not. I'm never that far from water on a day ride. http://www.performancebike.com/webap...HydrationGuide Quote: "Carry and consume one 16-24oz bottle of plain water, plus one extra 16-24oz bottle of an energy drink for each hour on the bike". Most of my rides are 4-5h and I am a tall guy who is more at the upper end of the water requirement scale. So there. Yes, this also applies to Oregonians since they have a store in Portland :-) -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ That's NUTS! They're teling you that you have to drink an 8 ounces cup (250 ml) of liquid every FIFTEEN minutes! That's if you use the smaller 16 0unces capacity NOT the 24 ounces sizes. 2 x 16 = 32 ounces divided by 8 = 4 and 1 hour devided by 4 is 15 minutes. If you use two 24 ounces bottles you have 48 ounces divided by 4 = 12 ounces evey fifteen minutes which is 1.5 cups per quarter hour. Gads at that rate for a 4 hour + ride you'd dang near need a trailer just for your liquids! Over 4-5h of hard MTB riding on a 95-100F day I find that 1-1/2 gallons of liquids is adequate. But not less than that. I could have used more but that's all I had on the bike. I have met plenty of people on trails who thought like you, that this was ridiculous and all that. They did not look too well healthwise and sometimes I gave them one of my bottles. In one case almost all my water because the guy appeared close to heading towards the eternal trails. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Someone on the verge of heat exhaustion or heat stroke is NOT going to be able to exercise after drinking just one 16 ounces bottle of water or energy drink. To give such a person water or energy drink and then leave them is irresponsible. Where did I write that I left them? -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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