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On 2017-09-06 14:03, Doug Landau wrote:
On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 11:44:01 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-09-06 11:10, Doug Landau wrote: On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 12:27:34 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-09-02 07:56, wrote: On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 7:49:34 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-30 18:00, John B. wrote: On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 10:41:49 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 3:31:55 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-29 14:38, wrote: On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 11:45:45 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-29 09:42, sms wrote: On 8/28/2017 3:59 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 8/28/2017 4:28 PM, wrote: On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 1:59:20 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-28 13:43, sms wrote: I replaced the chain that I broke on Saturday with one I had in my garage that I must have purchased five to ten years ago. It has a connecting link and it says "Taya" on it. It's for 6,7,8 gearing. It seems okay, but I think that this is the first time I've used a chain with a connecting link since childhood. I looked up Taya and it's a big Taiwanese chain manufacturer. I still have a Sachs-Sedis 7-speed chain on my road bike which I bought from a friend as NOS, for $6 which was the old sticker price (the sticker had already turned brownish). No link, mounted with hammer and anvil as usual. To my utter amazement it doesn't show any measurable stretch after over 2000mi and sometimes I really put the coals on because of our hills. Even the old Wippermann chains could not rival that. I am very religious about chain cleaning and lube though. The old 5-6-7 speed Sachs chains wore out three days after the bike was junked. The Sedis (later Sachs-Sedis) material and Delta hardening process was not only exceptional but unsurpassed down to today except for possibly Record chains. That ended with SRAM. You can still find some NOS (new old stock) of the Sedisport 6/7 chains. About $25. I saw a lot of them on EBay at that price range stating "pre-owned" in the ad, meaning used and who knows for how many miles or whether properly maintained. The topper I ever saw was "pre-owned" underwear. Yikes. What if they were pre-owned by Elizabeth Taylor? It was men's underwear ... What makes you think that Elizabeth Taylor didn't wear men's underwear? She got pretty large near the end. In a less humorousness vein, did you know that "back in the day" runners used to wear women's panties? I remember a cowboy on horseback telling us something similar and it was a real manly John Wayne style guy. "Now I'll let you in on a secret on how to avoid rashes from very long rides, but don't ya tell your mama or anyone for that matter, ya hear?" Speaking of manly - virtually every single star in Hollywood after the mid-40's had been in the service and many of them (often the guys that played bad guys) had silver stars and purple hearts. Even Soupy Sales and Ernest Borgnine. The one exception was, surprisingly, John Wayne, who volunteered three times but they wouldn't let him in because of a bad back or something. Today we have these guys playing heros that don't even know what a hero is. John Wayne could certainly play them right. On Sunday we saw "Flying Tigers" for the umpteenth time. What was one of his sayings? "Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyhow". -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Uhm... OTOH, we have him saying to a Viet Namese 6-y/o, at the end of 'the green berets': "You're what this is all about." Yea, rite. Uh-huh. He was right. If we hadn't lost that war the 6-year olds back then would now not have to live under communism. That may be, but it's not why we were there. Then why in your opinion? History generally says it was to suppress the spread of communism, just like that line in the movie was meant. http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk...e-vietnam-war/ Quote "The causes of the Vietnam War revolve around the simple belief held by America that communism was threatening to expand all over south-east Asia". http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/vietnam/causes.htm Quote "U.S. policymakers, and most Americans, regarded communism as the antithesis of all they held dear. ..." I agree with that sentence. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 2:28:08 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-09-06 14:03, Doug Landau wrote: On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 11:44:01 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-09-06 11:10, Doug Landau wrote: On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 12:27:34 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-09-02 07:56, wrote: On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 7:49:34 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-30 18:00, John B. wrote: On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 10:41:49 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 3:31:55 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-29 14:38, wrote: On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 11:45:45 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-29 09:42, sms wrote: On 8/28/2017 3:59 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 8/28/2017 4:28 PM, wrote: On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 1:59:20 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-28 13:43, sms wrote: I replaced the chain that I broke on Saturday with one I had in my garage that I must have purchased five to ten years ago. It has a connecting link and it says "Taya" on it. It's for 6,7,8 gearing. It seems okay, but I think that this is the first time I've used a chain with a connecting link since childhood. I looked up Taya and it's a big Taiwanese chain manufacturer. I still have a Sachs-Sedis 7-speed chain on my road bike which I bought from a friend as NOS, for $6 which was the old sticker price (the sticker had already turned brownish). No link, mounted with hammer and anvil as usual. To my utter amazement it doesn't show any measurable stretch after over 2000mi and sometimes I really put the coals on because of our hills. Even the old Wippermann chains could not rival that. I am very religious about chain cleaning and lube though. The old 5-6-7 speed Sachs chains wore out three days after the bike was junked. The Sedis (later Sachs-Sedis) material and Delta hardening process was not only exceptional but unsurpassed down to today except for possibly Record chains. That ended with SRAM. You can still find some NOS (new old stock) of the Sedisport 6/7 chains. About $25. I saw a lot of them on EBay at that price range stating "pre-owned" in the ad, meaning used and who knows for how many miles or whether properly maintained. The topper I ever saw was "pre-owned" underwear. Yikes. What if they were pre-owned by Elizabeth Taylor? It was men's underwear ... What makes you think that Elizabeth Taylor didn't wear men's underwear? She got pretty large near the end. In a less humorousness vein, did you know that "back in the day" runners used to wear women's panties? I remember a cowboy on horseback telling us something similar and it was a real manly John Wayne style guy. "Now I'll let you in on a secret on how to avoid rashes from very long rides, but don't ya tell your mama or anyone for that matter, ya hear?" Speaking of manly - virtually every single star in Hollywood after the mid-40's had been in the service and many of them (often the guys that played bad guys) had silver stars and purple hearts. Even Soupy Sales and Ernest Borgnine. The one exception was, surprisingly, John Wayne, who volunteered three times but they wouldn't let him in because of a bad back or something. Today we have these guys playing heros that don't even know what a hero is. John Wayne could certainly play them right. On Sunday we saw "Flying Tigers" for the umpteenth time. What was one of his sayings? "Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyhow". -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Uhm... OTOH, we have him saying to a Viet Namese 6-y/o, at the end of 'the green berets': "You're what this is all about." Yea, rite. Uh-huh. He was right. If we hadn't lost that war the 6-year olds back then would now not have to live under communism. That may be, but it's not why we were there. Then why in your opinion? History generally says it was to suppress the spread of communism, just like that line in the movie was meant. Whoa whoa whoa! Already you make an assumption and try to pretend that I subscribe to it also. What makes you think that stopping the spread of something - evil or not - is done for the benefit of the future generation, rather than for one's own pleasure, revenge, satisfaction, zeal, fullfillment of desire or of self, or as an outlet of natural agression? Seems to me that we need a war every 20 years. Every 20 years there is a new crop of 20-y/olds, full of natural agression, and their attitude is contagious, and does affect/spread to the population at large, to some extent http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk...e-vietnam-war/ Quote "The causes of the Vietnam War revolve around the simple belief held by America that communism was threatening to expand all over south-east Asia". http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/vietnam/causes.htm Do you think if I google looking for alternative reasons for us to be in there, that I'll find some? Who cares. Quote "U.S. policymakers, and most Americans, regarded communism as the antithesis of all they held dear. ..." I agree with that sentence. I agree with it in part, too, but that is not what is in question. I think that there are a number of reasons that came together why we were in that war. Not absent is the element of Jihad in our own souls. Also present were our relationship with France, and our own fear of losing our own country, after the dominos all fall around us. Also present was pressure from the industries that benefit, and from the politicians who subscribe to that. Capitalism is a great idea. But for a prosecutor to bust up a monopoly, and break up AT&T or come down on Microsoft, and then say to a 6-y/o "this is all for you, now you will have a better future" is (er, would be) just bull****, and deceiving one's self in the highest possible way. The righteous act for themselves, even when they are right. |
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Steven Keisling, in "The Shell Game", said that he rows because (perhaps in part) it is an outlet for the natural aggression that he believes we all have.
Will we ever hear a politician say such a thing? |
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On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 11:10:29 -0700 (PDT), Doug Landau
wrote: On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 12:27:34 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-09-02 07:56, wrote: On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 7:49:34 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-30 18:00, John B. wrote: On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 10:41:49 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 3:31:55 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-29 14:38, wrote: On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 11:45:45 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-29 09:42, sms wrote: On 8/28/2017 3:59 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 8/28/2017 4:28 PM, wrote: On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 1:59:20 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-28 13:43, sms wrote: I replaced the chain that I broke on Saturday with one I had in my garage that I must have purchased five to ten years ago. It has a connecting link and it says "Taya" on it. It's for 6,7,8 gearing. It seems okay, but I think that this is the first time I've used a chain with a connecting link since childhood. I looked up Taya and it's a big Taiwanese chain manufacturer. I still have a Sachs-Sedis 7-speed chain on my road bike which I bought from a friend as NOS, for $6 which was the old sticker price (the sticker had already turned brownish). No link, mounted with hammer and anvil as usual. To my utter amazement it doesn't show any measurable stretch after over 2000mi and sometimes I really put the coals on because of our hills. Even the old Wippermann chains could not rival that. I am very religious about chain cleaning and lube though. The old 5-6-7 speed Sachs chains wore out three days after the bike was junked. The Sedis (later Sachs-Sedis) material and Delta hardening process was not only exceptional but unsurpassed down to today except for possibly Record chains. That ended with SRAM. You can still find some NOS (new old stock) of the Sedisport 6/7 chains. About $25. I saw a lot of them on EBay at that price range stating "pre-owned" in the ad, meaning used and who knows for how many miles or whether properly maintained. The topper I ever saw was "pre-owned" underwear. Yikes. What if they were pre-owned by Elizabeth Taylor? It was men's underwear ... What makes you think that Elizabeth Taylor didn't wear men's underwear? She got pretty large near the end. In a less humorousness vein, did you know that "back in the day" runners used to wear women's panties? I remember a cowboy on horseback telling us something similar and it was a real manly John Wayne style guy. "Now I'll let you in on a secret on how to avoid rashes from very long rides, but don't ya tell your mama or anyone for that matter, ya hear?" Speaking of manly - virtually every single star in Hollywood after the mid-40's had been in the service and many of them (often the guys that played bad guys) had silver stars and purple hearts. Even Soupy Sales and Ernest Borgnine. The one exception was, surprisingly, John Wayne, who volunteered three times but they wouldn't let him in because of a bad back or something. Today we have these guys playing heros that don't even know what a hero is. John Wayne could certainly play them right. On Sunday we saw "Flying Tigers" for the umpteenth time. What was one of his sayings? "Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyhow". -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Uhm... OTOH, we have him saying to a Viet Namese 6-y/o, at the end of 'the green berets': "You're what this is all about." Yea, rite. Uh-huh. But of course He didn't say it. The script writer said it, He just repeated it :-) -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Wed, 06 Sep 2017 11:44:02 -0700, Joerg
wrote: On 2017-09-06 11:10, Doug Landau wrote: On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 12:27:34 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-09-02 07:56, wrote: On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 7:49:34 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-30 18:00, John B. wrote: On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 10:41:49 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 3:31:55 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-29 14:38, wrote: On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 11:45:45 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-29 09:42, sms wrote: On 8/28/2017 3:59 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 8/28/2017 4:28 PM, wrote: On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 1:59:20 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-28 13:43, sms wrote: I replaced the chain that I broke on Saturday with one I had in my garage that I must have purchased five to ten years ago. It has a connecting link and it says "Taya" on it. It's for 6,7,8 gearing. It seems okay, but I think that this is the first time I've used a chain with a connecting link since childhood. I looked up Taya and it's a big Taiwanese chain manufacturer. I still have a Sachs-Sedis 7-speed chain on my road bike which I bought from a friend as NOS, for $6 which was the old sticker price (the sticker had already turned brownish). No link, mounted with hammer and anvil as usual. To my utter amazement it doesn't show any measurable stretch after over 2000mi and sometimes I really put the coals on because of our hills. Even the old Wippermann chains could not rival that. I am very religious about chain cleaning and lube though. The old 5-6-7 speed Sachs chains wore out three days after the bike was junked. The Sedis (later Sachs-Sedis) material and Delta hardening process was not only exceptional but unsurpassed down to today except for possibly Record chains. That ended with SRAM. You can still find some NOS (new old stock) of the Sedisport 6/7 chains. About $25. I saw a lot of them on EBay at that price range stating "pre-owned" in the ad, meaning used and who knows for how many miles or whether properly maintained. The topper I ever saw was "pre-owned" underwear. Yikes. What if they were pre-owned by Elizabeth Taylor? It was men's underwear ... What makes you think that Elizabeth Taylor didn't wear men's underwear? She got pretty large near the end. In a less humorousness vein, did you know that "back in the day" runners used to wear women's panties? I remember a cowboy on horseback telling us something similar and it was a real manly John Wayne style guy. "Now I'll let you in on a secret on how to avoid rashes from very long rides, but don't ya tell your mama or anyone for that matter, ya hear?" Speaking of manly - virtually every single star in Hollywood after the mid-40's had been in the service and many of them (often the guys that played bad guys) had silver stars and purple hearts. Even Soupy Sales and Ernest Borgnine. The one exception was, surprisingly, John Wayne, who volunteered three times but they wouldn't let him in because of a bad back or something. Today we have these guys playing heros that don't even know what a hero is. John Wayne could certainly play them right. On Sunday we saw "Flying Tigers" for the umpteenth time. What was one of his sayings? "Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyhow". -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Uhm... OTOH, we have him saying to a Viet Namese 6-y/o, at the end of 'the green berets': "You're what this is all about." Yea, rite. Uh-huh. He was right. If we hadn't lost that war the 6-year olds back then would now not have to live under communism. But what's wrong with living under communism? Given Vietnam's history since, say the 1850's, the average Vietnamese is probably as happy under the present government as they were under previous regimes. -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Wed, 06 Sep 2017 13:29:59 -0700, Joerg
wrote: On 2017-08-28 15:59, AMuzi wrote: On 8/28/2017 4:28 PM, wrote: On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 1:59:20 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-28 13:43, sms wrote: I replaced the chain that I broke on Saturday with one I had in my garage that I must have purchased five to ten years ago. It has a connecting link and it says "Taya" on it. It's for 6,7,8 gearing. It seems okay, but I think that this is the first time I've used a chain with a connecting link since childhood. I looked up Taya and it's a big Taiwanese chain manufacturer. I still have a Sachs-Sedis 7-speed chain on my road bike which I bought from a friend as NOS, for $6 which was the old sticker price (the sticker had already turned brownish). No link, mounted with hammer and anvil as usual. To my utter amazement it doesn't show any measurable stretch after over 2000mi and sometimes I really put the coals on because of our hills. Even the old Wippermann chains could not rival that. I am very religious about chain cleaning and lube though. The old 5-6-7 speed Sachs chains wore out three days after the bike was junked. The Sedis (later Sachs-Sedis) material and Delta hardening process was not only exceptional but unsurpassed down to today except for possibly Record chains. That ended with SRAM. Why is that? In the automotive world such an advance in technology is kept and further developed, not rescinded and chucked back into the dust bin. Well, usually. For example, transmissions nowadays typically last the whole lifetime of a car. 20+ years for us on two vehicles so far, for everything. Vehicle owners would have a hissy fit if they had to swap out a chain every 5000 miles. I think that you are confusing reality with your own fantasies. In years past I have worked with two engineers who had worked in the automobile industry. They both said the same thing, that the major effort in the motor industry was to "make it cheaper". One of them described a cash for suggestion program that Ford (I believe) had for a time and commented that when you made a million cars the removal of one sheet metal screw in the firewall was of interest. As for a chain drive lasting 5,000 miles, it is perfectly feasible to build a chain drive that will last more then 5,000 miles. Of course it will cost more and be rather large and ugly and will, of course be heavier then a current systems, but it can be built.... if anyone will buy it. What's his Face... the guy that lives in the low rent district of the Irish Republic, did that a few years back and described how it was done in loving detail. I haven't bought a new chain in some time but I did see a 9 speed chain with a price tag on it recently and it was 500 baht. In Usian money that would be about US$15.07. Are you telling me that people that sprint around on 1000+ dollar bicycles worry about a bicycle chain that costs so little money? 1.5% of the cost of the bike? -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 1:29:59 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-08-28 15:59, AMuzi wrote: On 8/28/2017 4:28 PM, wrote: On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 1:59:20 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-28 13:43, sms wrote: I replaced the chain that I broke on Saturday with one I had in my garage that I must have purchased five to ten years ago. It has a connecting link and it says "Taya" on it. It's for 6,7,8 gearing. It seems okay, but I think that this is the first time I've used a chain with a connecting link since childhood. I looked up Taya and it's a big Taiwanese chain manufacturer. I still have a Sachs-Sedis 7-speed chain on my road bike which I bought from a friend as NOS, for $6 which was the old sticker price (the sticker had already turned brownish). No link, mounted with hammer and anvil as usual. To my utter amazement it doesn't show any measurable stretch after over 2000mi and sometimes I really put the coals on because of our hills. Even the old Wippermann chains could not rival that. I am very religious about chain cleaning and lube though. The old 5-6-7 speed Sachs chains wore out three days after the bike was junked. The Sedis (later Sachs-Sedis) material and Delta hardening process was not only exceptional but unsurpassed down to today except for possibly Record chains. That ended with SRAM. Why is that? In the automotive world such an advance in technology is kept and further developed, not rescinded and chucked back into the dust bin. Well, usually. Simple - the motor runs quieter, and consumers buy it more readily. Hence we saw plastic teeth on timing gears. In this case, the non-hardened chains make less noise, 'cuz the edges go 'ting' less, and consumers perceive this as better shifting. ;-) |
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On 2017-09-06 15:45, Doug Landau wrote:
On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 2:28:08 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-09-06 14:03, Doug Landau wrote: On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 11:44:01 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-09-06 11:10, Doug Landau wrote: On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 12:27:34 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-09-02 07:56, wrote: On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 7:49:34 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-30 18:00, John B. wrote: On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 10:41:49 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 3:31:55 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-29 14:38, wrote: On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 11:45:45 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-29 09:42, sms wrote: On 8/28/2017 3:59 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 8/28/2017 4:28 PM, wrote: On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 1:59:20 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-28 13:43, sms wrote: I replaced the chain that I broke on Saturday with one I had in my garage that I must have purchased five to ten years ago. It has a connecting link and it says "Taya" on it. It's for 6,7,8 gearing. It seems okay, but I think that this is the first time I've used a chain with a connecting link since childhood. I looked up Taya and it's a big Taiwanese chain manufacturer. I still have a Sachs-Sedis 7-speed chain on my road bike which I bought from a friend as NOS, for $6 which was the old sticker price (the sticker had already turned brownish). No link, mounted with hammer and anvil as usual. To my utter amazement it doesn't show any measurable stretch after over 2000mi and sometimes I really put the coals on because of our hills. Even the old Wippermann chains could not rival that. I am very religious about chain cleaning and lube though. The old 5-6-7 speed Sachs chains wore out three days after the bike was junked. The Sedis (later Sachs-Sedis) material and Delta hardening process was not only exceptional but unsurpassed down to today except for possibly Record chains. That ended with SRAM. You can still find some NOS (new old stock) of the Sedisport 6/7 chains. About $25. I saw a lot of them on EBay at that price range stating "pre-owned" in the ad, meaning used and who knows for how many miles or whether properly maintained. The topper I ever saw was "pre-owned" underwear. Yikes. What if they were pre-owned by Elizabeth Taylor? It was men's underwear ... What makes you think that Elizabeth Taylor didn't wear men's underwear? She got pretty large near the end. In a less humorousness vein, did you know that "back in the day" runners used to wear women's panties? I remember a cowboy on horseback telling us something similar and it was a real manly John Wayne style guy. "Now I'll let you in on a secret on how to avoid rashes from very long rides, but don't ya tell your mama or anyone for that matter, ya hear?" Speaking of manly - virtually every single star in Hollywood after the mid-40's had been in the service and many of them (often the guys that played bad guys) had silver stars and purple hearts. Even Soupy Sales and Ernest Borgnine. The one exception was, surprisingly, John Wayne, who volunteered three times but they wouldn't let him in because of a bad back or something. Today we have these guys playing heros that don't even know what a hero is. John Wayne could certainly play them right. On Sunday we saw "Flying Tigers" for the umpteenth time. What was one of his sayings? "Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyhow". -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Uhm... OTOH, we have him saying to a Viet Namese 6-y/o, at the end of 'the green berets': "You're what this is all about." Yea, rite. Uh-huh. He was right. If we hadn't lost that war the 6-year olds back then would now not have to live under communism. That may be, but it's not why we were there. Then why in your opinion? History generally says it was to suppress the spread of communism, just like that line in the movie was meant. Whoa whoa whoa! Already you make an assumption and try to pretend that I subscribe to it also. I did not. Didn't read the question above? ... What makes you think that stopping the spread of something - evil or not - is done for the benefit of the future generation, rather than for one's own pleasure, revenge, satisfaction, zeal, fullfillment of desire or of self, or as an outlet of natural agression? It is done for both. However, most of all for coming generations because a decent human being care more for the offspring whether it's his own or not. Seems to me that we need a war every 20 years. Every 20 years there is a new crop of 20-y/olds, full of natural agression, and their attitude is contagious, and does affect/spread to the population at large, to some extent http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk...e-vietnam-war/ Quote "The causes of the Vietnam War revolve around the simple belief held by America that communism was threatening to expand all over south-east Asia". http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/vietnam/causes.htm Do you think if I google looking for alternative reasons for us to be in there, that I'll find some? Who cares. Quote "U.S. policymakers, and most Americans, regarded communism as the antithesis of all they held dear. ..." I agree with that sentence. I agree with it in part, too, but that is not what is in question. I think that there are a number of reasons that came together why we were in that war. Not absent is the element of Jihad in our own souls. Also present were our relationship with France, and our own fear of losing our own country, after the dominos all fall around us. Also present was pressure from the industries that benefit, and from the politicians who subscribe to that. Yes, there were a lot of other reasons as there are in most wars. The key one was clear though, to stop the spread of communism. Capitalism is a great idea. But for a prosecutor to bust up a monopoly, and break up AT&T or come down on Microsoft, and then say to a 6-y/o "this is all for you, now you will have a better future" is (er, would be) just bull****, and deceiving one's self in the highest possible way. The righteous act for themselves, even when they are right. Total laissez-faire isn't a good thing. That can and will result in situations such as where you can only buy at the company store. I think most of us would agree that that's not a good thing. Same for the environment. Some government regulation is necessary or it'll all go to pots. What is completely undesirable is for the government to take over our lives and that's what communism is. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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Taya Chain
On 2017-09-06 16:50, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 06 Sep 2017 11:44:02 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2017-09-06 11:10, Doug Landau wrote: On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 12:27:34 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-09-02 07:56, wrote: On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 7:49:34 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-30 18:00, John B. wrote: On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 10:41:49 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 3:31:55 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-29 14:38, wrote: On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 11:45:45 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-29 09:42, sms wrote: On 8/28/2017 3:59 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 8/28/2017 4:28 PM, wrote: On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 1:59:20 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-28 13:43, sms wrote: I replaced the chain that I broke on Saturday with one I had in my garage that I must have purchased five to ten years ago. It has a connecting link and it says "Taya" on it. It's for 6,7,8 gearing. It seems okay, but I think that this is the first time I've used a chain with a connecting link since childhood. I looked up Taya and it's a big Taiwanese chain manufacturer. I still have a Sachs-Sedis 7-speed chain on my road bike which I bought from a friend as NOS, for $6 which was the old sticker price (the sticker had already turned brownish). No link, mounted with hammer and anvil as usual. To my utter amazement it doesn't show any measurable stretch after over 2000mi and sometimes I really put the coals on because of our hills. Even the old Wippermann chains could not rival that. I am very religious about chain cleaning and lube though. The old 5-6-7 speed Sachs chains wore out three days after the bike was junked. The Sedis (later Sachs-Sedis) material and Delta hardening process was not only exceptional but unsurpassed down to today except for possibly Record chains. That ended with SRAM. You can still find some NOS (new old stock) of the Sedisport 6/7 chains. About $25. I saw a lot of them on EBay at that price range stating "pre-owned" in the ad, meaning used and who knows for how many miles or whether properly maintained. The topper I ever saw was "pre-owned" underwear. Yikes. What if they were pre-owned by Elizabeth Taylor? It was men's underwear ... What makes you think that Elizabeth Taylor didn't wear men's underwear? She got pretty large near the end. In a less humorousness vein, did you know that "back in the day" runners used to wear women's panties? I remember a cowboy on horseback telling us something similar and it was a real manly John Wayne style guy. "Now I'll let you in on a secret on how to avoid rashes from very long rides, but don't ya tell your mama or anyone for that matter, ya hear?" Speaking of manly - virtually every single star in Hollywood after the mid-40's had been in the service and many of them (often the guys that played bad guys) had silver stars and purple hearts. Even Soupy Sales and Ernest Borgnine. The one exception was, surprisingly, John Wayne, who volunteered three times but they wouldn't let him in because of a bad back or something. Today we have these guys playing heros that don't even know what a hero is. John Wayne could certainly play them right. On Sunday we saw "Flying Tigers" for the umpteenth time. What was one of his sayings? "Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyhow". -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Uhm... OTOH, we have him saying to a Viet Namese 6-y/o, at the end of 'the green berets': "You're what this is all about." Yea, rite. Uh-huh. He was right. If we hadn't lost that war the 6-year olds back then would now not have to live under communism. But what's wrong with living under communism? For example this: https://www.hrw.org/world-report/201...apters/vietnam ... Given Vietnam's history since, say the 1850's, the average Vietnamese is probably as happy under the present government as they were under previous regimes. Having met a lot of Vietnamese people, including people where not all relatives made it out, I do not think this is true. I also had relatives who had to live in a former communist country. They would have been shot if they had tried to leave. Nobody will ever tell me there is nothing wrong with communism. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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