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Canada's most dangerous city for cyclists
Per (PeteCresswell):
where their left wheels are Oops... SHB "right wheels".... -- Pete Cresswell |
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Sir Ridesalot wrote:
Whilst the article is interesting it's the comments below it that really get me thinking. It's amazing how many people think that bicyclists do NOT belong on the roads. Also interesting how many bicyclists delight in flaunting the Rules of the Road whenever it pleases tthem. http://ca.autos.yahoo.com/news/canad...141704036.html Ha. Vancouver is at the top with the most collisions. Nowhere in the article does it say that that's almost certainly because Vancouver has a lot more year-round cyclists than any other Canadian city. Sure your city's stats are going to be lower if cyclists aren't out for eight months of the year. -- K. Lang may your lum reek. |
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On Friday, May 3, 2013 10:09:18 PM UTC+1, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per (PeteCresswell): where their left wheels are Oops... SHB "right wheels".... -- Pete Cresswell I thought you were sensitively adapting your remarks to my drive on the left circumstances. Disappointed to discover it is only an accident. -- AJ |
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On May 2, 10:08 pm, James wrote:
On 03/05/13 13:55, Dan O wrote: On May 2, 8:15 pm, wrote: On Thursday, May 2, 2013 9:29:30 PM UTC-4, James wrote: On 03/05/13 11:02, Sir Ridesalot wrote: Whilst the article is interesting it's the comments below it that really get me thinking. It's amazing how many people think that bicyclists do NOT belong on the roads. Also interesting how many bicyclists delight in flaunting the Rules of the Road whenever it pleases tthem. http://ca.autos.yahoo.com/news/canad...city-for-cycli... Yup. We get that a lot. I recently admonished one of our bicycling advocacy groups http://www.bicyclenetwork.com.au/becausealthough their goal is admirable, their methods are highly questionable. They reject all notions that any sort of vehicular cycling (which is really what I would call defensive riding) has any usefulness, and say it has "failed", though it was never taught to or practiced by many here. It's been said: "It's not that vehicular cycling has been tried and found to be difficult. It's that it's been assumed difficult, and not tried." It's been said: "krygowski you're a ****ing idiot!" Aw, c'mon now, Dan. While that made me giggle a little, it wasn't really called for just there, was it? I think those of us who regularly mix it with the fossil fuel burners have learned to ride defensively, which is a lot of what VC is about. I'm no practitioner of strict VC. I have to say quite a few hail Eddy's whenever I go to the VC priest for confession, but I do a lot of what the Godfather of the "one true way" prescribes, though it was learned from experience. I suggest that although you take alternate routes, you do some VC stuff without realising it. I know I do. Not without realizing it. I absolutely *do* realize it. Moreover, I well realize that I could *easily* do it quite completely if I wanted to (but then my riding experience would *suck*) - references available in the archive. What irritates me so is Frank's superciliousness about it - "competency" and all that. In fact I would venture to say that my way is far more difficult ("don't try this at home, kids"), but I don't go around criticizing anybody else's way (until they start to berate me and mine for no good reason but to make themselves feel superior). Oh, and the derogatory phrase abive is a ~quote from the archives - something that's "been said" by someone else (the all lowercase is a hint). It's a bit of a play on the value of "It's been said... " |
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On May 3, 8:54 am, wrote:
On Thursday, May 2, 2013 11:55:09 PM UTC-4, Dan O wrote: On May 2, 8:14 pm, wrote: Of _course_ he felt that he was really competent. They all do. You know what he felt? That's creepy. He _told_ me what he felt. "I'm 33! I been riding #*%! forever! I know what I'm doing!!!" But to address the issue head-on: Would you say he was competent, Dan? Coming head-on at a rider who was following the law while being passed by a car? Will you _really_ take the side of a salmon rider? And argue against a guy riding where the law and decent traffic sense dictate?? No. I didn't mena to post that (clicker must have slipped or somehting) - it was a hasty reply before I'd read the whole story, at which point I retracte the thought. And I never even suggested that he was competent. Try to keep up. |
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On May 3, 10:30 am, Andre Jute wrote:
On Friday, May 3, 2013 5:06:45 PM UTC+1, wrote: On Thursday, May 2, 2013 11:55:52 PM UTC-4, Dan O wrote: On May 2, 8:15 pm, wrote: On Thursday, May 2, 2013 9:29:30 PM UTC-4, James wrote: On 03/05/13 11:02, Sir Ridesalot wrote: Whilst the article is interesting it's the comments below it that really get me thinking. It's amazing how many people think that bicyclists do NOT belong on the roads. Also interesting how many bicyclists delight in flaunting the Rules of the Road whenever it pleases tthem. http://ca.autos.yahoo.com/news/canad...city-for-cycli... Yup. We get that a lot. I recently admonished one of our bicycling advocacy groups http://www.bicyclenetwork.com.au/becausealthough their goal is admirable, their methods are highly questionable. They reject all notions that any sort of vehicular cycling (which is really what I would call defensive riding) has any usefulness, and say it has "failed", though it was never taught to or practiced by many here. It's been said: "It's not that vehicular cycling has been tried and found to be difficult. It's that it's been assumed difficult, and not tried." It's been said: "krygowski you're a ****ing idiot!" And you're still behaving like a drunken teenager, in your riding style, your garbage language, your anti-societal attitudes, your mini-minded posts, and probably in other ways we haven't heard about. Too bad you're not really 15 years old. There would at least be hope of good sense arriving with maturity. - Frank Krygowski Aw, Franki-boy, I was just getting ready to feel sorry for you and say something calming to Dan, when you get on your high horse and stick your snot-nozzle in the air. You're your own worst enemy, man. Yeah, I got a kick out that one, too. And thanks, Andre - I also *do* realize that I need to calm down. Thanks. |
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On May 3, 3:49 am, Duane Hébert wrote:
On 5/2/2013 9:02 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote: Whilst the article is interesting it's the comments below it that really get me thinking. It's amazing how many people think that bicyclists do NOT belong on the roads. Also interesting how many bicyclists delight in flaunting the Rules of the Road whenever it pleases tthem. Seems that there is a correlation. Well then, maybe if we all just do what the ****ing cagers want, then they'll accept us. Yeah, right. http://ca.autos.yahoo.com/news/canad...city-for-cycli... Cheers |
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On May 3, 9:06 am, wrote:
On Thursday, May 2, 2013 11:55:52 PM UTC-4, Dan O wrote: On May 2, 8:15 pm, wrote: On Thursday, May 2, 2013 9:29:30 PM UTC-4, James wrote: On 03/05/13 11:02, Sir Ridesalot wrote: Whilst the article is interesting it's the comments below it that really get me thinking. It's amazing how many people think that bicyclists do NOT belong on the roads. Also interesting how many bicyclists delight in flaunting the Rules of the Road whenever it pleases tthem. http://ca.autos.yahoo.com/news/canad...city-for-cycli... Yup. We get that a lot. I recently admonished one of our bicycling advocacy groups http://www.bicyclenetwork.com.au/becausealthough their goal is admirable, their methods are highly questionable. They reject all notions that any sort of vehicular cycling (which is really what I would call defensive riding) has any usefulness, and say it has "failed", though it was never taught to or practiced by many here. It's been said: "It's not that vehicular cycling has been tried and found to be difficult. It's that it's been assumed difficult, and not tried." It's been said: "krygowski you're a ****ing idiot!" And you're still behaving like a drunken teenager, in your riding style, your garbage language, your anti-societal attitudes, your mini-minded posts, and probably in other ways we haven't heard about. Too bad you're not really 15 years old. There would at least be hope of good sense arriving with maturity. Such sheer contemptuous disdain. Is it any wonder... |
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On May 3, 9:21 am, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote:
Per Sir Ridesalot: Also interesting how many bicyclists delight in flaunting the Rules of the Road whenever it pleases tthem. I'd say that "pleases them" is the wrong phrase for some cyclists in some situations. "survival demands" is closer in certain situations. Note "certain" situations NOT "all" or even "most" situations. Where I ride (southeastern Pennsylvania, USA) you can get seriously killed following to the letter traffic laws that were essentially written for motor vehicles on roads that where engineered/built with no thought at all for cyclists or pedestrians. Not that I'm not saying "all cases"... Not following traffic laws in a city, for instance is probably a bad idea most of the time. OTOH riding the wrong way at walking/jogging speed down a one-way alley that is virtually unused can be perceived as safer than mixing it up with 45 mph traffic on a parallel street that has no shoulder/fog lines. Riding on sidewalks is another case in point. Cities? Riding on pedestrian-populated sidewalks seems just plain dumb to me. Crime against nature. Case closed. But out, say, in West Conshocken I ride a route where one section looks like a class B post-apocalypse movie as the route passes under a series of superhighway overpasses. But there is a nice wide sidewalk (albeit littered with trash and the occasional automobile part), but I'll lay money that it hasn't seen more than one pedestrian per week for years. In that case the choice is between riding that sidewalk and hoping that closing traffic at 60+ with no shoulder doesn't ruin you whole day. Well said. |
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On May 3, 12:36 pm, Duane wrote:
On 5/3/2013 3:25 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote: Per : However, that's not the same as absolving or arguing in favor of riding salmon-style head-on at other cyclists; or riding drunk at night without lights; or blowing through traffic lights at whim. Competent "vehicular cyclists" don't, AFAIK, approve of riding like that. And of course, the dolts who ride like that don't approve of vehicular cycling. Nice post. The post gave me a much-improved understanding of "Vehicular Cycling" - which I had previously take to be soon-to-be-short-lived people trying to act just like motor vehicles. That comment would have been just as valid by replacing Vehicular Cyclists with "competent cyclists" and Vehicular Cycling with "competent cycling." You don't have to join the cult to be a competent cyclist. Well said. |
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