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Old January 22nd 04, 05:06 AM
Matt O'Toole
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Mrvongole wrote:

My LBS hated me 'cuz I went through more tires than anyone else, but
I wouldn't buy his high-zoot tires. I'd only buy his $25 Avocet
Fasgrip TT


Tho' one must wonder, if you go through "more" tires @ $25 per. vs.
purchasing a better quality tire which would "possibly" last longer
at $50 per...well, you do the math.


This is true, but Avocets are known for lasting *longer* than most others.

Matt O.


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Old January 22nd 04, 06:13 AM
David L. Johnson
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 02:38:39 +0000, Mrvongole wrote:

My LBS hated me 'cuz I went through more tires than anyone else, but I
wouldn't buy his high-zoot tires. I'd only buy his $25 Avocet Fasgrip TT


Tho' one must wonder, if you go through "more" tires @ $25 per. vs. purchasing
a better quality tire which would "possibly" last longer at $50 per...


The high-zoot tires will not last longer. Most don't last as long as the
Avocet. The LBS has a vested interest in their customers spending more
and getting less -- especially if they do it happily.

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Old January 23rd 04, 05:33 AM
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The high-zoot tires will not last longer. Most don't last as long as the
Avocet. The LBS has a vested interest in their customers spending more
and getting less -- especially if they do it hap


Perhaps this Spring I'll give a set of the "Low-Zoot" Avocets a spin just for
kicks. I'm currently on Conti Grand Prix 4 Seasons, which have really worked
well for me in terms of durability.
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Old January 23rd 04, 05:33 AM
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The high-zoot tires will not last longer. Most don't last as long as the
Avocet. The LBS has a vested interest in their customers spending more
and getting less -- especially if they do it hap


Perhaps this Spring I'll give a set of the "Low-Zoot" Avocets a spin just for
kicks. I'm currently on Conti Grand Prix 4 Seasons, which have really worked
well for me in terms of durability.
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Old January 23rd 04, 06:42 AM
Matt O'Toole
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Mrvongole wrote:

Perhaps this Spring I'll give a set of the "Low-Zoot" Avocets a spin
just for kicks. I'm currently on Conti Grand Prix 4 Seasons, which
have really worked well for me in terms of durability.


How many miles have you gotten out of them?

Matt O.


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Old January 23rd 04, 06:42 AM
Matt O'Toole
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Mrvongole wrote:

Perhaps this Spring I'll give a set of the "Low-Zoot" Avocets a spin
just for kicks. I'm currently on Conti Grand Prix 4 Seasons, which
have really worked well for me in terms of durability.


How many miles have you gotten out of them?

Matt O.


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Old January 25th 04, 08:32 PM
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Tim McNamara wrote in
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"psycholist" writes:


rubber

A few years ago, some tire manufacturers decided to market
colored tires and used silica instead of carbon black, as
this permitted the use of dyes to color the rubber. This
resulted also in rubber that is a little more stretchable
and flexible, with results in theoretically lower rolling
resistance. They sold millions of the things. The
downside is that they wear much more rapidly and tend to
have poor wet traction.

Avocet decided to fight back by ramping up the marketing
spin of their carbon-based rubber compound, which is
excellent and has worked well for years. Michelin has
followed this lead to an extent, probably in part because
there has been an extensive public discussion of the
deficiencies of slica-based rubbers.


Tim-

I have heard a lot of talk about this, but I haven't seen much
in the way of evidence. I've heard about a test by a german
bike magazine that supposedly revealed the superiority of carbon
rubber, but I;ve never seen it.
Some searching turned up this:
http://www.dk-content.de/tour/pdf-ar...s/breitreifen_
0703.pdf

http://tinyurl.com/36fam

I can't read german, but a little work with Google translator
doesn't seem to show that superiority. (though I don't know
exactly what 'dual' or 'single' compounds are.)

-Owen
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Old January 25th 04, 08:32 PM
Owen Pope
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Tim McNamara wrote in
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"psycholist" writes:


rubber

A few years ago, some tire manufacturers decided to market
colored tires and used silica instead of carbon black, as
this permitted the use of dyes to color the rubber. This
resulted also in rubber that is a little more stretchable
and flexible, with results in theoretically lower rolling
resistance. They sold millions of the things. The
downside is that they wear much more rapidly and tend to
have poor wet traction.

Avocet decided to fight back by ramping up the marketing
spin of their carbon-based rubber compound, which is
excellent and has worked well for years. Michelin has
followed this lead to an extent, probably in part because
there has been an extensive public discussion of the
deficiencies of slica-based rubbers.


Tim-

I have heard a lot of talk about this, but I haven't seen much
in the way of evidence. I've heard about a test by a german
bike magazine that supposedly revealed the superiority of carbon
rubber, but I;ve never seen it.
Some searching turned up this:
http://www.dk-content.de/tour/pdf-ar...s/breitreifen_
0703.pdf

http://tinyurl.com/36fam

I can't read german, but a little work with Google translator
doesn't seem to show that superiority. (though I don't know
exactly what 'dual' or 'single' compounds are.)

-Owen
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Old January 26th 04, 11:00 AM
Kjell Arne Olsen
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Owen Pope wrote:

I have heard a lot of talk about this, but I haven't seen much
in the way of evidence. I've heard about a test by a german
bike magazine that supposedly revealed the superiority of carbon
rubber, but I;ve never seen it.
Some searching turned up this:
http://www.dk-content.de/tour/pdf-ar...s/breitreifen_
0703.pdf

http://tinyurl.com/36fam

I can't read german, but a little work with Google translator
doesn't seem to show that superiority. (though I don't know
exactly what 'dual' or 'single' compounds are.)


The test in "Tour" deals with 700x25 tires, advantages/disadvantages
over 700x23 and 700x20 tires. Not a single word about carbon black,
I'm afraid.

Kjell Arne

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