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Bikes on footpaths - damn...
"Roger Martin" wrote in message ... ... I'd have to agree with that, my mother was knocked down by a lycra clad cyclist on a footpath, he just picked himself up, dusted off, checked his bike, swore at my mother for walking on a footpath and rode off. Did not even bother to help my mother who was left with cuts and bruises. It was reported to the police who of course could do nothing about it - I cant remember exactly - but I think that it was not considered a vehicle accident at the time. I know she even ended up paying for the medical costs. Jesus - what a scumbag! What sort of footpath was it? Just a suburban one or something? My view now is that cyclists on footpaths should be required to stop and dismount to pass pedestrians - or they are fair game for a straight arm tackle to the throat. Well, I wouldn't go that far. As a regular footpath cyclist (with my 6YO son) I give walkers warning and a wide berth. At low speed, there should be no real problems! Tim |
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"Roger Martin" wrote in message ... ... I'd have to agree with that, my mother was knocked down by a lycra clad cyclist on a footpath, he just picked himself up, dusted off, checked his bike, swore at my mother for walking on a footpath and rode off. Did not even bother to help my mother who was left with cuts and bruises. It was reported to the police who of course could do nothing about it - I cant remember exactly - but I think that it was not considered a vehicle accident at the time. I know she even ended up paying for the medical costs. Jesus - what a scumbag! What sort of footpath was it? Just a suburban one or something? My view now is that cyclists on footpaths should be required to stop and dismount to pass pedestrians - or they are fair game for a straight arm tackle to the throat. Well, I wouldn't go that far. As a regular footpath cyclist (with my 6YO son) I give walkers warning and a wide berth. At low speed, there should be no real problems! Tim |
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"Roger Martin" wrote in message ... ... I'd have to agree with that, my mother was knocked down by a lycra clad cyclist on a footpath, he just picked himself up, dusted off, checked his bike, swore at my mother for walking on a footpath and rode off. Did not even bother to help my mother who was left with cuts and bruises. It was reported to the police who of course could do nothing about it - I cant remember exactly - but I think that it was not considered a vehicle accident at the time. I know she even ended up paying for the medical costs. Jesus - what a scumbag! What sort of footpath was it? Just a suburban one or something? My view now is that cyclists on footpaths should be required to stop and dismount to pass pedestrians - or they are fair game for a straight arm tackle to the throat. Well, I wouldn't go that far. As a regular footpath cyclist (with my 6YO son) I give walkers warning and a wide berth. At low speed, there should be no real problems! Tim |
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Yes agreed on about what was said but i did mention something about common
sense which at times like the lycra lad had not displayed. He was just an arsehole, but you get them everywhere. Sorry about your Mum Roger. There are always obstacles or perhaps dangers in anything but you can do much to reduce the chances. Ok would the same be said with shared paths like the Liverpool/Parramatta rail link which is a shared path which goes past houses, driveways, train station carparks etc, also riding on these i pass many walkers, riders, and dog lovers with not a problem if some courtesy is displayed. I know you will always get the ******s who'll do the wrong thing but if I'm riding in an area that I don't really know and by following the roadsigns to the places I want to go, so i won't get lost in a back street, if the road is deemed by me to be a bit dangerous, i will use the path but keeping in mind other users..I can't answer to everyone but as i said before...I'd rather be an alive outlaw than a dead inlaw!! Cheers DJ "Roger Martin" wrote in message ... "PC" wrote in message ... On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 06:53:16 GMT, "DJ" wrote: Yeah Alan,I reckon here in Sydney at least anyone should be able to ride on a footpath/sidewalk if it is deemed too dangerous to ride on a particular peice of road. Does the term "alternate route" ring a bell? If you don't like riding down, say, Nicholson Street in North Fitzroy, use Canning Street.. Surely there's an equivalent alternate route near where you are so desperate to ride on the footpath.. IMHO, I'd rather be an alive outlaw than a dead inlaw.....just use a bit of safety common sense (although sometimes not that common)and protect yourself....ya don't often get a second chance under the wheels of a semi trailer. Nor do you get a second chance if some kid or pet runs in front of you and dies, with the potential to seriously injure you in the process.. Nor everything revolves around your safety, others have rights too.. PC I'd have to agree with that, my mother was knocked down by a lycra clad cyclist on a footpath, he just picked himself up, dusted off, checked his bike, swore at my mother for walking on a footpath and rode off. Did not even bother to help my mother who was left with cuts and bruises. It was reported to the police who of course could do nothing about it - I cant remember exactly - but I think that it was not considered a vehicle accident at the time. I know she even ended up paying for the medical costs. My view now is that cyclists on footpaths should be required to stop and dismount to pass pedestrians - or they are fair game for a straight arm tackle to the throat. |
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Bikes on footpaths - damn...
Yes agreed on about what was said but i did mention something about common
sense which at times like the lycra lad had not displayed. He was just an arsehole, but you get them everywhere. Sorry about your Mum Roger. There are always obstacles or perhaps dangers in anything but you can do much to reduce the chances. Ok would the same be said with shared paths like the Liverpool/Parramatta rail link which is a shared path which goes past houses, driveways, train station carparks etc, also riding on these i pass many walkers, riders, and dog lovers with not a problem if some courtesy is displayed. I know you will always get the ******s who'll do the wrong thing but if I'm riding in an area that I don't really know and by following the roadsigns to the places I want to go, so i won't get lost in a back street, if the road is deemed by me to be a bit dangerous, i will use the path but keeping in mind other users..I can't answer to everyone but as i said before...I'd rather be an alive outlaw than a dead inlaw!! Cheers DJ "Roger Martin" wrote in message ... "PC" wrote in message ... On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 06:53:16 GMT, "DJ" wrote: Yeah Alan,I reckon here in Sydney at least anyone should be able to ride on a footpath/sidewalk if it is deemed too dangerous to ride on a particular peice of road. Does the term "alternate route" ring a bell? If you don't like riding down, say, Nicholson Street in North Fitzroy, use Canning Street.. Surely there's an equivalent alternate route near where you are so desperate to ride on the footpath.. IMHO, I'd rather be an alive outlaw than a dead inlaw.....just use a bit of safety common sense (although sometimes not that common)and protect yourself....ya don't often get a second chance under the wheels of a semi trailer. Nor do you get a second chance if some kid or pet runs in front of you and dies, with the potential to seriously injure you in the process.. Nor everything revolves around your safety, others have rights too.. PC I'd have to agree with that, my mother was knocked down by a lycra clad cyclist on a footpath, he just picked himself up, dusted off, checked his bike, swore at my mother for walking on a footpath and rode off. Did not even bother to help my mother who was left with cuts and bruises. It was reported to the police who of course could do nothing about it - I cant remember exactly - but I think that it was not considered a vehicle accident at the time. I know she even ended up paying for the medical costs. My view now is that cyclists on footpaths should be required to stop and dismount to pass pedestrians - or they are fair game for a straight arm tackle to the throat. |
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Bikes on footpaths - damn...
Yes agreed on about what was said but i did mention something about common
sense which at times like the lycra lad had not displayed. He was just an arsehole, but you get them everywhere. Sorry about your Mum Roger. There are always obstacles or perhaps dangers in anything but you can do much to reduce the chances. Ok would the same be said with shared paths like the Liverpool/Parramatta rail link which is a shared path which goes past houses, driveways, train station carparks etc, also riding on these i pass many walkers, riders, and dog lovers with not a problem if some courtesy is displayed. I know you will always get the ******s who'll do the wrong thing but if I'm riding in an area that I don't really know and by following the roadsigns to the places I want to go, so i won't get lost in a back street, if the road is deemed by me to be a bit dangerous, i will use the path but keeping in mind other users..I can't answer to everyone but as i said before...I'd rather be an alive outlaw than a dead inlaw!! Cheers DJ "Roger Martin" wrote in message ... "PC" wrote in message ... On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 06:53:16 GMT, "DJ" wrote: Yeah Alan,I reckon here in Sydney at least anyone should be able to ride on a footpath/sidewalk if it is deemed too dangerous to ride on a particular peice of road. Does the term "alternate route" ring a bell? If you don't like riding down, say, Nicholson Street in North Fitzroy, use Canning Street.. Surely there's an equivalent alternate route near where you are so desperate to ride on the footpath.. IMHO, I'd rather be an alive outlaw than a dead inlaw.....just use a bit of safety common sense (although sometimes not that common)and protect yourself....ya don't often get a second chance under the wheels of a semi trailer. Nor do you get a second chance if some kid or pet runs in front of you and dies, with the potential to seriously injure you in the process.. Nor everything revolves around your safety, others have rights too.. PC I'd have to agree with that, my mother was knocked down by a lycra clad cyclist on a footpath, he just picked himself up, dusted off, checked his bike, swore at my mother for walking on a footpath and rode off. Did not even bother to help my mother who was left with cuts and bruises. It was reported to the police who of course could do nothing about it - I cant remember exactly - but I think that it was not considered a vehicle accident at the time. I know she even ended up paying for the medical costs. My view now is that cyclists on footpaths should be required to stop and dismount to pass pedestrians - or they are fair game for a straight arm tackle to the throat. |
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Bikes on footpaths - damn...
DJ wrote:
Yes agreed on about what was said but i did mention something about common sense which at times like the lycra lad had not displayed. He was just an arsehole, but you get them everywhere. Sorry about your Mum Roger. There are always obstacles or perhaps dangers in anything but you can do much to reduce the chances. Ok would the same be said with shared paths like the Liverpool/Parramatta rail link which is a shared path which goes past houses, driveways, train station carparks etc, also riding on these i pass many walkers, riders, and dog lovers with not a problem if some courtesy is displayed. I know you will always get the ******s who'll do the wrong thing but if I'm riding in an area that I don't really know and by following the roadsigns to the places I want to go, so i won't get lost in a back street, if the road is deemed by me to be a bit dangerous, i will use the path but keeping in mind other users..I can't answer to everyone but as i said before...I'd rather be an alive outlaw than a dead inlaw!! Yes indeed. If it were so dangerous, it wouldn't be legal in Tassie. For heaven's sake, everyone just needs to use a bit of common sense, caution, and courtesy to get along. There are many, many places where it is perfectly safe to ride at a reasonable speed on a footpath, so that *everyone* is safe. Obviously, except if you're a bicycle courier evil grin/ (I'm not one! :-)) you won't be riding a bike down the footpath on George St Sydney at midday. Making it illegal to ride a bicycle on a footpath, full stop, doesn't stop an ar**hole bowling over grandma at the pedestrian crossing. It doesn't do anything besides kill more cyclists. Well, I'm too young to die! (Who isn't?) You don't need to be a rocket scientist to work out where it would be safer for everybody (you, the motorists, and the pedestrians) to ride cautiously on a footpath than to ride on the road pi**ing motorists off because you're getting in their way, lane hogging, or whatever. Like I said, it's not rocket science. What we have an obligation to do is the *right thing* by others and by yourself. If the *right thing* doesn't happen to be legal, well tough^H^H^H^H^H obey the law, of course. Bye for now. David |
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DJ wrote:
Yes agreed on about what was said but i did mention something about common sense which at times like the lycra lad had not displayed. He was just an arsehole, but you get them everywhere. Sorry about your Mum Roger. There are always obstacles or perhaps dangers in anything but you can do much to reduce the chances. Ok would the same be said with shared paths like the Liverpool/Parramatta rail link which is a shared path which goes past houses, driveways, train station carparks etc, also riding on these i pass many walkers, riders, and dog lovers with not a problem if some courtesy is displayed. I know you will always get the ******s who'll do the wrong thing but if I'm riding in an area that I don't really know and by following the roadsigns to the places I want to go, so i won't get lost in a back street, if the road is deemed by me to be a bit dangerous, i will use the path but keeping in mind other users..I can't answer to everyone but as i said before...I'd rather be an alive outlaw than a dead inlaw!! Yes indeed. If it were so dangerous, it wouldn't be legal in Tassie. For heaven's sake, everyone just needs to use a bit of common sense, caution, and courtesy to get along. There are many, many places where it is perfectly safe to ride at a reasonable speed on a footpath, so that *everyone* is safe. Obviously, except if you're a bicycle courier evil grin/ (I'm not one! :-)) you won't be riding a bike down the footpath on George St Sydney at midday. Making it illegal to ride a bicycle on a footpath, full stop, doesn't stop an ar**hole bowling over grandma at the pedestrian crossing. It doesn't do anything besides kill more cyclists. Well, I'm too young to die! (Who isn't?) You don't need to be a rocket scientist to work out where it would be safer for everybody (you, the motorists, and the pedestrians) to ride cautiously on a footpath than to ride on the road pi**ing motorists off because you're getting in their way, lane hogging, or whatever. Like I said, it's not rocket science. What we have an obligation to do is the *right thing* by others and by yourself. If the *right thing* doesn't happen to be legal, well tough^H^H^H^H^H obey the law, of course. Bye for now. David |
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DJ wrote:
Yes agreed on about what was said but i did mention something about common sense which at times like the lycra lad had not displayed. He was just an arsehole, but you get them everywhere. Sorry about your Mum Roger. There are always obstacles or perhaps dangers in anything but you can do much to reduce the chances. Ok would the same be said with shared paths like the Liverpool/Parramatta rail link which is a shared path which goes past houses, driveways, train station carparks etc, also riding on these i pass many walkers, riders, and dog lovers with not a problem if some courtesy is displayed. I know you will always get the ******s who'll do the wrong thing but if I'm riding in an area that I don't really know and by following the roadsigns to the places I want to go, so i won't get lost in a back street, if the road is deemed by me to be a bit dangerous, i will use the path but keeping in mind other users..I can't answer to everyone but as i said before...I'd rather be an alive outlaw than a dead inlaw!! Yes indeed. If it were so dangerous, it wouldn't be legal in Tassie. For heaven's sake, everyone just needs to use a bit of common sense, caution, and courtesy to get along. There are many, many places where it is perfectly safe to ride at a reasonable speed on a footpath, so that *everyone* is safe. Obviously, except if you're a bicycle courier evil grin/ (I'm not one! :-)) you won't be riding a bike down the footpath on George St Sydney at midday. Making it illegal to ride a bicycle on a footpath, full stop, doesn't stop an ar**hole bowling over grandma at the pedestrian crossing. It doesn't do anything besides kill more cyclists. Well, I'm too young to die! (Who isn't?) You don't need to be a rocket scientist to work out where it would be safer for everybody (you, the motorists, and the pedestrians) to ride cautiously on a footpath than to ride on the road pi**ing motorists off because you're getting in their way, lane hogging, or whatever. Like I said, it's not rocket science. What we have an obligation to do is the *right thing* by others and by yourself. If the *right thing* doesn't happen to be legal, well tough^H^H^H^H^H obey the law, of course. Bye for now. David |
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"Tim Jones" wrote in message
. au... As a regular footpath cyclist (with my 6YO son) I give walkers warning and a wide berth. At low speed, there should be no real problems! Tim Likewise. I give plenty of time so they know I'm there and then _I_ move out of _their_ way; I don't expect them to move out of my way at all. By the way, I'm hardly a "Lycra-clad cyclist" I wear jeans and an old shirt - don't like too much sun and don't like being cut up by branches etc. I ride slowly (15km/h at most) and on the outside edge of the path so I _don't_ hit pedestrians. I'm courteous, friendly and polite to a fault. -- Alan Erskine alanerskine(at)optusnet.com.au Trial or release, Mr Bush, trial or release. |
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