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Old October 7th 03, 06:31 PM
Jose Rizal
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Deep Freud Moors:


Utter bull****. Dirt will kill bearings MUCH faster than an absence of
grease. Clean dry bearings will run for a long time, dirty bearings

(even
when greased) will not.


Don't change the subject. Grease's secondary property as water and dirt
barrier is what's been pointed out, NOT whether dirt is destructive to
bearings.


You are the one that is trying to change the subject!!! It was originally
about wheel bearings, if you can recall correctly. You avoided that last
comparison because it illustrates my point rather concisely, doesn't it!


Nope. You made several false statements about grease, and whether it's
used for bearings or turbine rotors or gears, the primary purpose of it
is lubrication. I see you skipped all the statements about grease being
a lubricant, and not provided an iota of factual data about why you
think otherwise.

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Old October 7th 03, 06:31 PM
Jose Rizal
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Deep Freud Moors:


Utter bull****. Dirt will kill bearings MUCH faster than an absence of
grease. Clean dry bearings will run for a long time, dirty bearings

(even
when greased) will not.


Don't change the subject. Grease's secondary property as water and dirt
barrier is what's been pointed out, NOT whether dirt is destructive to
bearings.


You are the one that is trying to change the subject!!! It was originally
about wheel bearings, if you can recall correctly. You avoided that last
comparison because it illustrates my point rather concisely, doesn't it!


Nope. You made several false statements about grease, and whether it's
used for bearings or turbine rotors or gears, the primary purpose of it
is lubrication. I see you skipped all the statements about grease being
a lubricant, and not provided an iota of factual data about why you
think otherwise.

  #83  
Old October 7th 03, 06:39 PM
Jose Rizal
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Deep Freud Moors:

Crikey, do I have to go back to my original statement yet again???

"The primary purpose of the grease is not lubrication, but to keep dirt and
water out."

Note that it says "primary", not "sole".


It's still wrong, and it doesn't matter how many times you state it.
The primary purpose of grease is lubrication. Educate yourself and you
won't have to make up things like this. It's annoying for most of
everyone of us who know better.

Grease does provide somewhat of a lubricating effect,


It provides more than a "somewhat" lubricating effect, it provides *all
the necessary* lubrication required by the bearings.

but its role of
inhibiting dirt from getting into the bearings is much more important from a
reliability point of view.


What rubbish. Why do you make up things like this? A secondary benefit
of grease is its water repellency, not dirt repellency. You might think
that grease prevents dirt getting into the rotating parts, but you are
again wrong. Dirt is a killer in being entrained in grease, as it will
eventually be carried into the moving parts.

You've been making all these wrong claims about grease, it's time you
cut your losses and go.


  #84  
Old October 7th 03, 06:39 PM
Jose Rizal
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Deep Freud Moors:

Crikey, do I have to go back to my original statement yet again???

"The primary purpose of the grease is not lubrication, but to keep dirt and
water out."

Note that it says "primary", not "sole".


It's still wrong, and it doesn't matter how many times you state it.
The primary purpose of grease is lubrication. Educate yourself and you
won't have to make up things like this. It's annoying for most of
everyone of us who know better.

Grease does provide somewhat of a lubricating effect,


It provides more than a "somewhat" lubricating effect, it provides *all
the necessary* lubrication required by the bearings.

but its role of
inhibiting dirt from getting into the bearings is much more important from a
reliability point of view.


What rubbish. Why do you make up things like this? A secondary benefit
of grease is its water repellency, not dirt repellency. You might think
that grease prevents dirt getting into the rotating parts, but you are
again wrong. Dirt is a killer in being entrained in grease, as it will
eventually be carried into the moving parts.

You've been making all these wrong claims about grease, it's time you
cut your losses and go.


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Old October 7th 03, 06:43 PM
Jose Rizal
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Mike:

Theo Bekkers wrote:

The primary purpose of grease is lubrication. Grease is just very
thick oil.


Not quite, Theo.


Yes, quite.

In common english usage, "grease" can refer to
solid oils, such as animal fat. But lubricating "grease" is
completely different.


Now you're just trying to be smart. Animal fat has never been inferred,
implied, nor even remotely hinted at in the thread.

It just looks the same, hence the same name.


It doesn't look the same.

As he said, its oil + thickeners.


Correct. Oil *and* thickener/carrier. Nothing else he said was
correct.

http://www.lubems.com/Composition.htm



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Old October 7th 03, 06:43 PM
Jose Rizal
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Mike:

Theo Bekkers wrote:

The primary purpose of grease is lubrication. Grease is just very
thick oil.


Not quite, Theo.


Yes, quite.

In common english usage, "grease" can refer to
solid oils, such as animal fat. But lubricating "grease" is
completely different.


Now you're just trying to be smart. Animal fat has never been inferred,
implied, nor even remotely hinted at in the thread.

It just looks the same, hence the same name.


It doesn't look the same.

As he said, its oil + thickeners.


Correct. Oil *and* thickener/carrier. Nothing else he said was
correct.

http://www.lubems.com/Composition.htm



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Old October 7th 03, 10:03 PM
Suzy Jackson
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Default Hosing a bike

"Arpit" wrote in message
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Is it ok to hose a bike to clean it?


Not with the water restrictions. Use a bucket.

Regards,

Suzy


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Old October 7th 03, 10:03 PM
Suzy Jackson
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Default Hosing a bike

"Arpit" wrote in message
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Is it ok to hose a bike to clean it?


Not with the water restrictions. Use a bucket.

Regards,

Suzy


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Old October 7th 03, 11:29 PM
Cody
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"Theo Bekkers" wrote in message
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Not quite, Theo. In common english usage, "grease" can refer to
solid oils, such as animal fat. But lubricating "grease" is
completely different. It just looks the same, hence the same name.
As he said, its oil + thickeners.


I believe the context of the discussion was grease as used on
bicycles. I don't think anyone was advocating the use of chicken fat
in their bottom bracket. :-)


Probably closer than you think. The two main thickers of grease are soap or
clay (for high temp work) well, soap is just animal fat and caustic soda.




  #90  
Old October 7th 03, 11:29 PM
Cody
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Default cleaning fun...(not)


"Theo Bekkers" wrote in message
...
Not quite, Theo. In common english usage, "grease" can refer to
solid oils, such as animal fat. But lubricating "grease" is
completely different. It just looks the same, hence the same name.
As he said, its oil + thickeners.


I believe the context of the discussion was grease as used on
bicycles. I don't think anyone was advocating the use of chicken fat
in their bottom bracket. :-)


Probably closer than you think. The two main thickers of grease are soap or
clay (for high temp work) well, soap is just animal fat and caustic soda.




 




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