OT - Family Values

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(Michael Baldwin) wrote:

As I've admitted here in the past, I'm my own worst enemy.

No, your worst enemies are those whose political philosophies you have
bought into.

Michael Baldwin wrote:
Michael Baldwin wrote:
[...]
The elite despise hard work and those who perform it,
especially when it pays off.[...]

Tom Sherman wrote:
Cut the talk radio nonsense - the "liberal elite" exists
only in the imagination of right-wing shills and political consultants.

Rough day at the spelling bee Tom? You seem overly anxious.

Why does every discussion with Mr. Baldwin result in him making comments
on alleged characteristics of other posters? Can he not stick to
discussion of the ideas, and stop acting like a vile [1] political
consultant?

Anyway, sorry brother. I was going to write "wanna-be elites" but I
thought that may have offended the "real elites".

The real elites (in the US) are the 20 thousand or so families that
control most of the wealth and usually get most of what the ask from
Congress. They are generally hard right-wing, with the goal of creating
a neo-feudal system with a permanent hereditary upper class.

Talk radio bores me Tom. I never get the jokes. Like Joe Bidens
joke "Hey, Chuck, stand up, let 'em see you." I don't get it.

Then why do you use the talk radio tactic of slinging accusations of
personal characteristics rather than discussing issues?

[1] OK, so the vile is redundant.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"America is like a casino. Almost everyone loses, some make it big,
and the owners always win." - Anon.

Tim writes:

Ah, those dastardly elites. But wait, you said everything that
was wrong with America was because of taxes. Now you
blame it on the elites- who don't want to pay
taxes either!

Tim, I never said, wrote or implied "everything that was wrong with
America was because of taxes." That is a direct mis-quote and you know
it.

What I have said for _decades_ is, the U.S. Tax Code is the root cause
of the majority of problems in America.

Tim, if I was the "anti-taxer & tax hater" that you've cited me to
be, several times now, why would I promote a revenue neutral tax system
such as The Fair Tax?

So you can continue your ad homian against me now. Continue the
mis-quotes. Continue the spin. Continue supporting the U.S. Tax Code
that is destroying America.

It all fits rather well in a thread titled OT- Family Values.

Oh and Tim, since I view myself and my fellow man as equals, guess
what "size" you just made yourself. To bad, I truly think your better
than that.

just regards - Mike Baldwin

SJM writes:

However, that said, I have no misconceptions about global economic
powers and my place in the system.

...or mine also, how thoughtful. Thanks for covering my six.

Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

"still just me" wrote:
On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:15:07 -0400, (Michael
Baldwin) wrote:

SJM writes:

However, that said, I have no misconceptions about global economic
powers and my place in the system.
..or mine also, how thoughtful. Thanks for covering my six.

I appreciate your humor - but if you mislead yourself to believe that
you have any potential for playing with the real power brokers and
with the serious money of the world, you are deceiving yourself.

Maybe Mr. Baldwin is from one of those few families that controls
billions of dollars worth of financial instruments, vets which
candidates will be supported in primary elections, grants approval in
campaign funding for political appointments, etcetera?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
“Twisting may help if yawl can chew gum and walk.” - gene daniels

SJM writes:

I appreciate your humor - but if you mislead yourself
to believe that you have any potential for playing with
the real power brokers and with the serious money of
the world, you are deceiving yourself.

How, where and when did I ever convey to you this point you keep
contriving, or are you just make this stuff up?

I think you mis-interpreted a reply I made to Chalo. I even went back
and tried to clarify my point, just for you SJM.

I'll paraphrase my own point _again_. Successful entrepreneurs shatter
the elite premise that in order to succeed in America a person needs
government aid of some sort.

That fact that I choose not to cave and concede to an elite concept
regarding success and happiness does not mean I'm deceiving or
misleading myself by any stretch.

Independence is the bane of more government and those who want it, big
deal, who doesn't know that?

Trust me SJM, the sheep are to stupid to switch herds now, your flock is
safe. But I do like tending smaller flocks, it makes spotting the
wolves some much easier.

Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

Tom Sherman writes:

Maybe Mr. Baldwin is from one of those few families
that controls billions of dollars worth of financial instruments, vets
which candidates will be supported in primary elections, grants
approval
in campaign funding for political appointments, etcetera?

You would have been correct right up to last Thursday Tom.

It's been horrible these last few days. My family is wiped out.

All of the servants are gone. (we've been having them commit suicide
for us)

We're down to our last $200,000,000. We don't know if we should buy 10
house reps, 5 senators or 1 supreme court judge with what is left.

Thanking You in advance for any help or suggestions.

Best Regards Brother - Mike Baldwin

Michael Baldwin wrote:
SJM writes:

I appreciate your humor - but if you mislead yourself
to believe that you have any potential for playing with
the real power brokers and with the serious money of
the world, you are deceiving yourself.

How, where and when did I ever convey to you this point you keep
contriving, or are you just make this stuff up?

I think you mis-interpreted a reply I made to Chalo. I even went back
and tried to clarify my point, just for you SJM.

I'll paraphrase my own point _again_. Successful entrepreneurs shatter
the elite premise that in order to succeed in America a person needs
government aid of some sort.

Oh really? List successful US entrepreneurs that have NOT made use of
government provided infrastructure and services.

That fact that I choose not to cave and concede to an elite concept
regarding success and happiness does not mean I'm deceiving or
misleading myself by any stretch.

Independence is the bane of more government and those who want it, big
deal, who doesn't know that?

Trust me SJM, the sheep are to stupid to switch herds now, your flock is
safe. But I do like tending smaller flocks, it makes spotting the
wolves some much easier.

This makes as much sense as variable colliding.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
“Twisting may help if yawl can chew gum and walk.” - gene daniels

On Sep 20, 2:12*pm, (Michael Baldwin) wrote:
SJM writes:
I appreciate your humor - but if you mislead yourself
to believe that you have any potential for playing with
the real power brokers and with the serious money of
the world, you are deceiving yourself.

I'll paraphrase my own point _again_. *Successful entrepreneurs shatter
the elite premise that in order to succeed in America a person needs
government aid of some sort. * *

Logical fallacy: straw man.

That fact that I choose not to cave and concede to an elite concept
regarding success and happiness does not mean I'm deceiving or
misleading myself by any stretch. *

The straw man falls over of its own accord. Wow.

Independence is the bane of more government and those who want it, big
deal, who doesn't know that? *

Logical fallacy: straw man.

Nice bunch of illogic you served up there. A big steaming pile of it.

E.P.

Tom asks:

Oh really? List successful US entrepreneurs that have NOT made
use of government provided infrastructure and services.


Note the words below Tom, GOVERNMENT AID.


I'll paraphrase my own point _again_. Successful entrepreneurs shatter
the
elite premise that in order to succeed in America a
person needs government aid of some sort.

Infrastructure and services are not government _aid_ Tom and you know
it.

Best Regards Brother - Mike Baldwin