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Old August 16th 12, 06:18 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Old August 16th 12, 10:00 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Aug 16, 6:18*pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
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I wonder what explains this rise in pedestrian deaths?

There were 453 pedestrian deaths in 2011, 12% more than in 2010.
Seriously injured pedestrian casualties also increased - by 5% to
5,454. (DfT)

Assuming that cyclists, when they weren't being killed themselves,
killed c.2 of these pedestrians, then just maybe motorists killed the
remaining 451 pedestrians. So, if the number killed has risen, could a
smidgen of blame attach to motorists, at all, do you think?

Or have the numbers of pedestrians increased, maybe? Are they
approaching critical mass?

Or maybe there are a lot of new, inexperienced pedestrians now?
Perhaps, as a result of the recession (I blame that Gordon Brown you
know) there are a large number of people giving up their cars and
trying to walk, and they are perhaps over-confident, maybe a bit
embarassed, and not very good at it. After all many people regard
walking as only fit for children and not a legitimate mode of
transport. As Mrs Thatcher said:- "Any man who finds himself on foot
over the age of 30 can consider himself a failure in life."

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Marty: No, no. Psychopaths kill for no reason. I kill for *money*.
It's a *job*. That didn't come out right.
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Old August 16th 12, 10:30 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Squashme wrote:
On Aug 16, 6:18 pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
http://road.cc/content/news/63414-la...-another-sharp...


I wonder what explains this rise in pedestrian deaths?

There were 453 pedestrian deaths in 2011, 12% more than in 2010.
Seriously injured pedestrian casualties also increased - by 5% to
5,454. (DfT)

Assuming that cyclists, when they weren't being killed themselves,
killed c.2 of these pedestrians, then just maybe motorists killed the
remaining 451 pedestrians. So, if the number killed has risen, could a
smidgen of blame attach to motorists, at all, do you think?

Or have the numbers of pedestrians increased, maybe? Are they
approaching critical mass?

Or maybe there are a lot of new, inexperienced pedestrians now?
Perhaps, as a result of the recession (I blame that Gordon Brown you
know) there are a large number of people giving up their cars and
trying to walk, and they are perhaps over-confident, maybe a bit
embarassed, and not very good at it. After all many people regard
walking as only fit for children and not a legitimate mode of
transport. As Mrs Thatcher said:- "Any man who finds himself on foot
over the age of 30 can consider himself a failure in life."

----------------------------------------------------

Debi: You're a psychopath.
Marty: No, no. Psychopaths kill for no reason. I kill for *money*.
It's a *job*. That didn't come out right.


it would be interesting to know the ethnicity/length of residency, esp. of
the peds.


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Old August 17th 12, 12:54 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 16/08/2012 22:00, Squashme wrote:
On Aug 16, 6:18 pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
http://road.cc/content/news/63414-la...-another-sharp...


I wonder what explains this rise in pedestrian deaths?

There were 453 pedestrian deaths in 2011, 12% more than in 2010.
Seriously injured pedestrian casualties also increased - by 5% to
5,454. (DfT)


The number of people killed annually on the roads in Britain has fallen
below 2,000 for the first time since records began in 1926, government
statistics show.

The death toll for 2010 was 1,857, as against 2,222 in 2009, a 16% drop
and the seventh consecutive annual fall, the Department for Transport
statistics showed. There was an 8% reduction in the broader statistic of
people killed or seriously injured, which stood at 22,660 last year.

Although deaths and injuries fell significantly for motorists,
pedestrians and motorcyclists, the number of cyclists killed rose for a
third consecutive year. Deaths rose by 7% from 104 in 2009 to 111 last
year, although the DfT says the number of cyclists rose by just 0.5%.
The cycling casualty rate is, however, well down on the average annual
death rate of 186 during 1994 to 1998.



Assuming that cyclists, when they weren't being killed themselves,
killed c.2 of these pedestrians, then just maybe motorists killed the
remaining 451 pedestrians. So, if the number killed has risen, could a
smidgen of blame attach to motorists, at all, do you think?


10 cyclists doing 10 mile per annum, killing 2 people? Disgraceful!

Or have the numbers of pedestrians increased, maybe? Are they
approaching critical mass?


No, pedestrians don't deliberately meet to hold up traffic.

Or maybe there are a lot of new, inexperienced pedestrians now?
Perhaps, as a result of the recession (I blame that Gordon Brown you
know) there are a large number of people giving up their cars and
trying to walk, and they are perhaps over-confident, maybe a bit
embarassed, and not very good at it. After all many people regard
walking as only fit for children and not a legitimate mode of
transport. As Mrs Thatcher said:- "Any man who finds himself on foot
over the age of 30 can consider himself a failure in life."

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As Mrs Thatcher might have said:- "Any man who finds himself on a push bike
over the age of 30 can consider himself a failure in life".
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Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster
University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking
and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail
to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their
lives, certainly on a regular basis."

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Old August 17th 12, 03:54 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 00:54:06 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR wrote:

As Mrs Thatcher might have said:- "Any man who finds himself on a push
bike
over the age of 30 can consider himself a failure in life".


I am real glad to be considered a failure in life by Mrs Thatcher. That
is a real compliment.



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Old August 17th 12, 09:48 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 17/08/2012 21:13, Phil W Lee wrote:

Kim Bolton :
Dave - Cyclists VOR wrote:


Although deaths and injuries fell significantly for motorists,
pedestrians and motorcyclists, the number of cyclists killed rose for a
third consecutive year. Deaths rose by 7% from 104 in 2009 to 111 last
year, although the DfT says the number of cyclists rose by just 0.5%.
The cycling casualty rate is, however, well down on the average annual
death rate of 186 during 1994 to 1998.


1998 was 14 years ago, and 2009 - 11 saw a rise in cyclist KSI,
against the trends of lower traffic volumes and slightly-rising
cyclist numbers.
This is not good news for those who say that individual cyclists are
safer because of the increasing numbers, and one must ask what it is
that cyclists are doing wrong.


Since this rise is also affecting pedestrians, it is far more likely
that the motorists are the ones doing something wrong.
A brief survey at any roadside will confirm that few, if any,
motorists drive completely within the law.
It's interesting that this rise in death and serious injury among
vulnerable road users has come about in the period since the
government announced "an end to the war on motorists".
It seems that many motorists regarded that announcement as a
declaration that road traffic law would no longer be enforced, and it
is noticeable that few police forces do enforce the law in respect of
driving, despite it being by far the most common cause of traumatic
death and serious injury in the country.
So it's probably due to politically motivated neglect of duty on the
part of the police and CPS.
By apparently directing this neglect, Hammond should be charged with
conspiracy to pervert the course of justice, along with all the senior
police officers who colluded in allowing the carnage.


And given the sheer weight your opinion carries within the judicial world,
M'Lud, that amounts to a praeconium ex cathedra.

Ignore it at your peril, ye Princes, Officers and Ministers of State and of
Crown and serried ranks of the Lords, Spiritual and Temporal.
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Old August 18th 12, 09:51 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Dave - Cyclists VOR
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On 17/08/2012 21:13, Phil W Lee wrote:

So it's probably due to politically motivated neglect of duty on the
part of the police and CPS.

By apparently directing this neglect, Hammond should be charged with
conspiracy to pervert the course of justice, along with all the senior
police officers who colluded in allowing the carnage.



--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster
University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking
and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail
to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their
lives, certainly on a regular basis."
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Old August 18th 12, 10:30 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Dave - Cyclists VOR
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On 17/08/2012 21:13, Phil W Lee wrote:
Kim Bolton considered Fri, 17 Aug 2012 08:58:09
+0100 the perfect time to write:


Dave - Cyclists VOR wrote:

Although deaths and injuries fell significantly for motorists,
pedestrians and motorcyclists, the number of cyclists killed rose for a
third consecutive year. Deaths rose by 7% from 104 in 2009 to 111 last
year, although the DfT says the number of cyclists rose by just 0.5%.
The cycling casualty rate is, however, well down on the average annual
death rate of 186 during 1994 to 1998.


1998 was 14 years ago, and 2009 - 11 saw a rise in cyclist KSI,
against the trends of lower traffic volumes and slightly-rising
cyclist numbers.

This is not good news for those who say that individual cyclists are
safer because of the increasing numbers, and one must ask what it is
that cyclists are doing wrong.


Since this rise is also affecting pedestrians, it is far more likely
that the motorists are the ones doing something wrong.


Phil 'Skinny Latte' Lee makes it up again. Pedestrian casualties are
down again.

A brief survey at any roadside will confirm that few, if any,
motorists drive completely within the law.


What a shame your fantasy isn't matched by the facts.

In 2011, the Magistratesí Courts proceeded against a total of 888,303
motoring offences, down about 12 per cent on 2010. Proceedings peaked in
2003 at 2.33 million and have since shown continued annual decreases.

Of those proceeded against 78 per cent were found guilty. 688,976.

Which represents around 2% of motorists.

"A brief survey at any roadside will confirm that few, if any,
motorists drive completely within the law".

That 'few' being 98%.



It's interesting that this rise in death and serious injury among
vulnerable road users has come about in the period since the
government announced "an end to the war on motorists".


The increase only concerns cyclists, injuries to all others are down.
Does that not tell you anything about the suitability of a push bike as
transport?

It seems that many motorists regarded that announcement as a
declaration that road traffic law would no longer be enforced, and it
is noticeable that few police forces do enforce the law in respect of
driving, despite it being by far the most common cause of traumatic
death and serious injury in the country.


More fantasy. RTC's don't even make the top ten.

So it's probably due to politically motivated neglect of duty on the
part of the police and CPS.


Aluminum foil hats on lads....

By apparently directing this neglect, Hammond should be charged with
conspiracy to pervert the course of justice, along with all the senior
police officers who colluded in allowing the carnage.

We already know you are a raving idiot, why do you keep confirming it?

Two cappuccino, one americano & a mocha please.

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Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster
University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking
and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail
to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their
lives, certainly on a regular basis."
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Old August 18th 12, 02:08 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 09:51:23 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:

On 17/08/2012 21:13, Phil W Lee wrote:

So it's probably due to politically motivated neglect of duty on the
part of the police and CPS.

By apparently directing this neglect, Hammond should be charged with
conspiracy to pervert the course of justice, along with all the senior
police officers who colluded in allowing the carnage.





Yeees - another for the archive.

I think he should insist on getting the money he paid for his legal training
refunded.

Whilst he doesn't seem to have got value for money - he certainly gives us
same.


 




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