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does look a intresting idea, i don't think i would get much
use out of it, (most of my car use is long distance travel) =v= My car use is so infrequent that this type of rental makes more sense than a car-share system, which works by fees, etc., thereby supporting more frequent car use. =v= Which is also contrary to its ecohype. _Jym_ |
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Today I saw a bus with the ZipCar advertising placard on its
side. Above the windows is written five ways you can use a ZipCar. One item was "Go Shopping" but my mind went blank and I saw red after reading the suggestion that you use their car to "Go Biking". ARRRRRGGGGHGHHHHGHHHHHH! =v= I had a similar reaction once. Part of the celebration of World Carfree Day last year was a Carfree Party! featuring Carfree Dance Music! from a Carfree DJ! at which they would be raffling off a Carfree Car-Sharing Service Membership! =v= Uh ... what? =v= Also, the San Francisco Bay Area has these things called "Spare The Air Days." It's a total scam, designed to dodge Federal air quality regulations, but the basic idea is to get people not to drive. So naturally that's a day when ZipCar sent out a bunch of their cars into the streets to promote themselves. :-| _Jym_ |
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Marz wrote:
On Nov 1, 9:13 am, Artemisia wrote: Adam Lea wrote: Out of interest, if a hurricane warning is issued are there facilities provided to help people evacuate who don't have a car. I would imagine that even in the US, there will be some people without a car. It's thread drift, but I've always thought that these kinds of crises are precisely the situations where you may be better off on a bike than in a car. What if there is no gas? What if the roads get gridlocked by traffic or broken-down cars or cut off by landslide or flood or earthquake? What if there is aerial bombing? I'm thinking of the beginning of the film LES JEUX INTERDITS where the line of refugee cars on the road is an easy target to be strafed from the air, or the end of THE DOWNFALL where the young secretary and the boy escape the flames of Berlin on a bike. EFR Ile de France Only works if it's just you that's you're responsible for. During the last evacuation of Houston (Rita) roads did get snarled up, most deaths occured on the road (23 died in one bus explosion), people did run out of gas and some died in their cars due to hyperthermia (100f temp). But how else can one move an entire family and enough food and water for 5 days without a car? Trust in FEMA, please! A lot ( I mean a lot) of folks drive 4x4 pickups and suvs just because they feel they'll need it in times of flooding (which happens at least 10 times a year) and hurricanes. I'd move house, permanently. |
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marc tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us: I'd move house, permanently. Preferably to one constructed solidly enough not to fall down when the weather turns a bit manky. As a small Mr. Larrington I sat out a typhoon on the fifteenth floor of a tower block. Fun, in an odd sort of way. -- Dave Larrington http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk Drugs are good, except when they kill you. |
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Jym Dyer wrote:
does look a intresting idea, i don't think i would get much use out of it, (most of my car use is long distance travel) =v= My car use is so infrequent that this type of rental makes more sense than a car-share system, which works by fees, etc., thereby supporting more frequent car use. =v= Which is also contrary to its ecohype. _Jym_ yes there is that, but like a lot things you have to use the system that works for you. roger -- www.rogermerriman.com |
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In uk.rec.cycling Jym Dyer wrote:
=v= I know these services are eco-hyped, but are they in fact reducing car ownership and car use? My neighbours have joined our local one and so been able to go from two cars to one. Arthur -- Arthur Clune PGP/GPG Key: http://www.clune.org/pubkey.txt The struggle of people against power is the struggle of memory against forgetting - Milan Kundera |
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On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:55:37 -0700, Jym Dyer wrote:
=v= I know these services are eco-hyped, but are they in fact reducing car ownership and car use? I never see them marketed to motorists, only to people who would otherwise not be driving. One of my friends joined a car co-op instead of buying a new car. She sometimes needs a car for her floral business but often a van is the more appropriate vehicle. The co-op gives her access to either and costs her nothing when she doesn't use it. She's ended up riding her bicycle more frequently for trips she'd previously made in her car. She's quite happy with the arrangement. A recent trip to the airport with out-of-town guests cost less than if they'd taken the bus. -- zk |
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On Nov 1, 12:47 am, "Bill Sornson" wrote:
Tom Sherman wrote: Adam Lea wrote: On 31 Oct, 16:15, Marz wrote: On Oct 29, 5:54 pm, Adam Lea wrote: On 29 Oct, 17:59, Marz wrote: I don't want to be reliant on some one else when I need to escape a hurricane. Which country do you live in? USA, Houston. We have a hurricane kit prepped and ready to be thrown in the car when required. Out of interest, if a hurricane warning is issued are there facilities provided to help people evacuate who don't have a car. I would imagine that even in the US, there will be some people without a car. New Orleans 2005, Hurricane Katrina. The people with cars left, the poor without cars were left to sit on rooftops or rot in the hell of the Superdome, or drown. Those that were black and tried to walk out across a bridge to a primarily white community were repulsed by armed police. Everyone knew well in advance that a huge (HUGE) storm was coming, yet hundreds of school busses sat idle on a huge (later flooded) lot. When the hurricane hit, everyone /thought/ that the worst had been avoided. Partying on Bourbon Street continued unabated. Everyone (even the media) let down their guard. Then a day or two later the levies broke, and all hell broke loose. Compare that to the totally unexpected fires that swept So Cal last week. Literally no warning in many cases. The difference? Effective local and state government agencies and officials, and citizens taking responsibility for their own (and others') well-being. There you go. BS (not) I always wondered why the local/state/federal government didn't just grab the yellow buses and start moving people. It seemed like a real no-brainer. Re California though, the fires are a yearly occurance apparently so the infrastructure to respond was there, even if it was not really set up to handle the 100 year fire (which now seem to be coming very 10 years). Our news even pointed out that one or two of the Quebec water bombers have an annual pilgramige to California for the fire season there. John Kane, Kingston ON Canada |
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John Kane wrote:
On Nov 1, 12:47 am, "Bill Sornson" wrote: Tom Sherman wrote: Adam Lea wrote: On 31 Oct, 16:15, Marz wrote: On Oct 29, 5:54 pm, Adam Lea wrote: On 29 Oct, 17:59, Marz wrote: I don't want to be reliant on some one else when I need to escape a hurricane. Which country do you live in? USA, Houston. We have a hurricane kit prepped and ready to be thrown in the car when required. Out of interest, if a hurricane warning is issued are there facilities provided to help people evacuate who don't have a car. I would imagine that even in the US, there will be some people without a car. New Orleans 2005, Hurricane Katrina. The people with cars left, the poor without cars were left to sit on rooftops or rot in the hell of the Superdome, or drown. Those that were black and tried to walk out across a bridge to a primarily white community were repulsed by armed police. Everyone knew well in advance that a huge (HUGE) storm was coming, yet hundreds of school busses sat idle on a huge (later flooded) lot. When the hurricane hit, everyone /thought/ that the worst had been avoided. Partying on Bourbon Street continued unabated. Everyone (even the media) let down their guard. Then a day or two later the levies broke, and all hell broke loose. Compare that to the totally unexpected fires that swept So Cal last week. Literally no warning in many cases. The difference? Effective local and state government agencies and officials, and citizens taking responsibility for their own (and others') well-being. There you go. BS (not) I always wondered why the local/state/federal government didn't just grab the yellow buses and start moving people. It seemed like a real no-brainer. Who pays? |
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