How pavement motorists can kill people.

Motorists on this cycling newsgroup often argue that pavement motoring
is innocuous and safe compared to pavement cycling but this example
shows that even slowly reversing of a car can kill people. It is
extremely doubtful that a cyclist could kill someone with a similar
manoeuvre.

"An elderly woman has died after being hit by her husband's car as he
reversed at a golf club, Strathclyde Police have said.

The 82-year-old died in the incident at about 1320 BST at Whitecraigs
Golf Club, Ayr Road in Newton Mearns, East Renfrewshire.

She had got out of the car to help her husband with a manoeuvre when
she was hit by the vehicle.

Her husband, who is also 82, is being treated for shock in hospital.

A report will be sent to the procurator fiscal."

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On Jun 1, 6:26*am, Doug wrote:
Motorists on this cycling newsgroup often argue that pavement motoring
is innocuous and safe compared to pavement cycling but this example
shows that even slowly reversing of a car can kill people. It is
extremely doubtful that a cyclist could kill someone with a similar
manoeuvre.

"An elderly woman has died after being hit by her husband's car as he
reversed at a golf club, Strathclyde Police have said.

The 82-year-old died in the incident at about 1320 BST at Whitecraigs
Golf Club, Ayr Road in Newton Mearns, East Renfrewshire.

She had got out of the car to help her husband with a manoeuvre when
she was hit by the vehicle.

Her husband, who is also 82, is being treated for shock in hospital.

A report will be sent to the procurator fiscal."

-- .
UK Radical Campaigns.(Recently updated).
*http://www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.

Posters on this NG (all road users) complain about cyclists riding
ALONG the pavement for long distances, not about cyclists crossing the
pavements to get into their driveway.
This incident did not happen on a pavement.
If you can not see the difference in a vehicle crossing a pavement to
gain access and a vehicle completing all or a great proportion of it's
journey on the pavement, then you are even more stupid than I thought
(and that is difficult)

On 01/06/2011 06:26, Doug wrote:
Motorists on this cycling newsgroup often argue that pavement motoring
is innocuous and safe compared to pavement cycling but this example
shows that even slowly reversing of a car can kill people. It is
extremely doubtful that a cyclist could kill someone with a similar
manoeuvre.

"An elderly woman has died after being hit by her husband's car as he
reversed at a golf club, Strathclyde Police have said.

"A police spokesman said: "Around 1320 today, an 82-year-old man and his
82-year-old wife were within their car at the car park of Whitecraigs
Golf Club".

Car park, not a pavement you ****ing idiot.

You are now so desperate to find any evidence that pavement driving is
dangerous you have reached the bottom of the barrel.

Lets have some figures **** for brains. How many pedestrians KSI by
pavement drivers?


--
Dave - Cyclists VOR.

On Jun 1, 6:26*am, Doug wrote:
Motorists on this cycling newsgroup often argue that pavement motoring
is innocuous and safe compared to pavement cycling but this example
shows that even slowly reversing of a car can kill people. It is
extremely doubtful that a cyclist could kill someone with a similar
manoeuvre.

"An elderly woman has died after being hit by her husband's car as he
reversed at a golf club, Strathclyde Police have said.

How does this prove your completely unrelated claim? For my next
trick, I shall prove that the earth is round by showing how an
electric toaster works.

On Jun 1, 12:59*pm, FrengaX wrote:
On Jun 1, 6:26*am, Doug wrote:

Motorists on this cycling newsgroup often argue that pavement motoring
is innocuous and safe compared to pavement cycling but this example
shows that even slowly reversing of a car can kill people. It is
extremely doubtful that a cyclist could kill someone with a similar
manoeuvre.

"An elderly woman has died after being hit by her husband's car as he
reversed at a golf club, Strathclyde Police have said.

How does this prove your completely unrelated claim? For my next
trick, I shall prove that the earth is round by showing how an
electric toaster works.

LOL

On Jun 1, 7:24*am, francis wrote:
On Jun 1, 6:26*am, Doug wrote:









Motorists on this cycling newsgroup often argue that pavement motoring
is innocuous and safe compared to pavement cycling but this example
shows that even slowly reversing of a car can kill people. It is
extremely doubtful that a cyclist could kill someone with a similar
manoeuvre.

"An elderly woman has died after being hit by her husband's car as he
reversed at a golf club, Strathclyde Police have said.

The 82-year-old died in the incident at about 1320 BST at Whitecraigs
Golf Club, Ayr Road in Newton Mearns, East Renfrewshire.

She had got out of the car to help her husband with a manoeuvre when
she was hit by the vehicle.

Her husband, who is also 82, is being treated for shock in hospital.

A report will be sent to the procurator fiscal."

-- .
UK Radical Campaigns.(Recently updated).
*http://www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.

Posters on this NG (all road users) complain about cyclists riding
ALONG the pavement for long distances, not about cyclists crossing the
pavements to get into their driveway.

While they ignore the danger and nuisance caused by pavement motoring.

This incident did not happen on a pavement.

But it shows how it can happen on a pavement.

If you can not see the difference in a vehicle crossing a pavement to
gain access and a vehicle completing all or a great proportion of it's
journey on the pavement, then you are even more stupid than I thought
(and that is difficult)

You are deliberately avoiding the implications here. A car backing in
or out of a parking spot on a pavement, or backing out of a driveway,
can kill a person even at a slow speed, which should be glaringly
obvious anyway, even to you. Because cyclists have as much lower
momentum they are much less likely to kill on a pavement.

-- .
UK Radical Campaigns.(Recently updated).
http://www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.

On Jun 1, 8:23*am, wrote:
On 01/06/2011 06:26, Doug wrote:

Motorists on this cycling newsgroup often argue that pavement motoring
is innocuous and safe compared to pavement cycling but this example
shows that even slowly reversing of a car can kill people. It is
extremely doubtful that a cyclist could kill someone with a similar
manoeuvre.

"An elderly woman has died after being hit by her husband's car as he
reversed at a golf club, Strathclyde Police have said.

"A police spokesman said: "Around 1320 today, an 82-year-old man and his
82-year-old wife were within their car at the car park of Whitecraigs
Golf Club".

Car park, not a pavement you ****ing idiot.

You are now so desperate to find any evidence that pavement driving is
dangerous you have reached the bottom of the barrel.

Lets have some figures **** for brains. *How many pedestrians KSI by
pavement drivers?

"About one death every four years from a collision between a cyclist
and
a pedestrian on the pavement or verge (data doesn't say who died) vs
about 40 pedestrians a year killed on the pavement or verge by motor
vehicles. Your figure of 3 per annum is pedestrians killed on the
road
in collisions with cyclists.
Source: Hansard and RCGB

In London between 2001 and 2005 no pedestrians were killed in
collisions
with cyclists but 17 were killed in collisions with motor vehicles.
Over
ten years the figures are zero and 54.
Source: TfL Road Safety Division"

http://www.cyclingcrowd.com/Uwe/Foru...ts-versus-Cars

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A driving licence is a licence to kill.

On Jun 2, 7:54*am, Doug wrote:
On Jun 1, 7:24*am, francis wrote:



On Jun 1, 6:26*am, Doug wrote:

Motorists on this cycling newsgroup often argue that pavement motoring
is innocuous and safe compared to pavement cycling but this example
shows that even slowly reversing of a car can kill people. It is
extremely doubtful that a cyclist could kill someone with a similar
manoeuvre.

"An elderly woman has died after being hit by her husband's car as he
reversed at a golf club, Strathclyde Police have said.

The 82-year-old died in the incident at about 1320 BST at Whitecraigs
Golf Club, Ayr Road in Newton Mearns, East Renfrewshire.

She had got out of the car to help her husband with a manoeuvre when
she was hit by the vehicle.

Her husband, who is also 82, is being treated for shock in hospital.

A report will be sent to the procurator fiscal."

-- .
UK Radical Campaigns.(Recently updated).
*http://www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.

Posters on this NG (all road users) complain about cyclists riding
ALONG the pavement for long distances, not about cyclists crossing the
pavements to get into their driveway.

While they ignore the danger and nuisance caused by pavement motoring.


Which I hardly ever see.

This incident did not happen on a pavement.

But it shows how it can happen on a pavement.


It also shows how it could happen on an airport runway, but it didn't
happen there.

If you can not see the difference in a vehicle crossing a pavement to
gain access and a vehicle completing all or a great proportion of it's
journey on the pavement, then you are even more stupid than I thought
(and that is difficult)

You are deliberately avoiding the implications here. A car backing in
or out of a parking spot on a pavement, or backing out of a driveway,
can kill a person even at a slow speed, which should be glaringly
obvious anyway, even to you. Because cyclists have as much lower
momentum they are much less likely to kill on a pavement.


And you as usual are ignoring the facts that many cyclist make most or
all of their journey on pavements, often with no regard to
pedestrians.

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On 02/06/2011 07:57, Doug wrote:

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In London between 2001 and 2005 no pedestrians were killed in
collisions with cyclists but 17 were killed in collisions with
motor vehicles. Over ten years the figures are zero and 54.
Source: TfL Road Safety Division"

http://www.cyclingcrowd.com/Uwe/Foru...ts-versus-Cars

In a city of a larger population size than many European ****ries (and
considerably more densely populated than the smallest country with a
comprable population), that figure of 17 over 5 years is commendably low, as
I'm sure you'll agree. A tribute to the restraint and patience of London
drivers, motorcyclists, moped-riders and E-bike-riders of all sorts, as I'm
sure you will equally agree.

On Jun 2, 9:34*am, JNugent wrote:
On 02/06/2011 07:57, Doug wrote:

[ ... ]

In London between 2001 and 2005 no pedestrians were killed in
collisions with cyclists but 17 were killed in collisions with
motor vehicles. Over ten years the figures are zero and 54.
Source: *TfL Road Safety Division"
http://www.cyclingcrowd.com/Uwe/Foru...4945/Deaths-on...

In a city of a larger population size than many European ****ries (and
considerably more densely populated than the smallest country with a
comprable population), that figure of 17 over 5 years is commendably low, as
I'm sure you'll agree. A tribute to the restraint and patience of London
drivers, motorcyclists, moped-riders and E-bike-riders *of all sorts, as I'm
sure you will equally agree.

And I wonder how many of those 17 were the cyclists fault, likerecent
videos show.