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Old May 17th 09, 08:03 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Adrian Snyder
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Default Advice on 700C rim and question regarding Mavic Reflex Clincher 700C rims

I have an older bike (SOMEC) that has two Mavic Reflex Clincher 700C rims. They are 32 hole SUP /UB/ CONTROL and also have the following code on them 622 13 6005 TIB. Both are bronzish in color. What do these codes mean??

One of these rims (rear) recently failed and I'd like to explore several options:

1. Find someone who has a pair of these rims that they want to sell.
2. Get another pair of Mavic Open Sport rims in a similar color.
3. Get recommendations on the best set of 700C rims for the least $$.

Also, I have a Campy Record 8S hub on this wheel and I've been told I could just zip-tie the spoke pairs together and transfer to the new rim...is that true or do I have to get new spokes with the right length?? I'm not knowledgeable about these sorts of things.

Email me privately at
thanks in advance.

Adrian
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Old May 17th 09, 08:45 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AMuzi
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Default Advice on 700C rim and question regarding Mavic Reflex Clincher700C rims

Adrian Snyder wrote:
I have an older bike (SOMEC) that has two Mavic Reflex Clincher 700C
rims. They are 32 hole SUP /UB/ CONTROL and also have the following
code on them 622 13 6005 TIB. Both are bronzish in color. What do
these codes mean??

One of these rims (rear) recently failed and I'd like to explore
several options:

1. Find someone who has a pair of these rims that they want to sell.
2. Get another pair of Mavic Open Sport rims in a similar color.
3. Get recommendations on the best set of 700C rims for the least $$.

Also, I have a Campy Record 8S hub on this wheel and I've been told I
could just zip-tie the spoke pairs together and transfer to the new
rim...is that true or do I have to get new spokes with the right
length?? I'm not knowledgeable about these sorts of things.


622 is the ISO rim/tire size 700C
13mm is the inside section of the rim
6005 is the material
Mavic's color code for silver finish was TBP, grey TIB


I'd suggest an asymmetric rear rim such as Velocity's
Aerohead for riders up to 200lb. Get the correct 292mm
spokes with your new rim.

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Old May 17th 09, 10:00 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Jay Beattie
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Default Advice on 700C rim and question regarding Mavic Reflex Clincher700C rims

On May 17, 12:45*pm, AMuzi wrote:
Adrian Snyder wrote:
I have an older bike (SOMEC) that has two Mavic Reflex Clincher 700C
rims. *They are 32 hole SUP /UB/ CONTROL and also have the following
code on them * 622 13 * 6005 *TIB. *Both are bronzish in color. *What do
these codes mean??


One of these rims (rear) recently failed and I'd like to explore *
several options:


1. *Find someone who has a pair of these rims that they want to sell.
2. *Get another pair of Mavic Open Sport rims in a similar color.
3. *Get recommendations on the best set of 700C rims for the least $$..


Also, *I have a Campy Record 8S hub on this wheel and I've been told I
could just zip-tie the spoke pairs together and transfer to the new
rim...is that true or do I have to get new spokes with the right
length?? *I'm not knowledgeable about these sorts of things.


622 is the ISO rim/tire size 700C
13mm is the inside section of the rim
6005 is the material
Mavic's color code for silver finish was TBP, grey TIB

I'd suggest an asymmetric rear rim such as Velocity's
Aerohead for riders up to 200lb. Get the correct 292mm
spokes with your new rim.

--


If you want to do a straight spoke swap, get the ERD (Effective Rim
Diameter) for the Reflex from the list off of Damon Rinard's spoke
calc (Google it) and then see if there is another rim out there that
has the same ERD. I think the Reflex has the same ERD as the Open Pro
(605?), so that is always an option, albeit an expensive one. The
Velocity rims have smaller ERDs, and if you go that route, you will
need new spokes. -- Jay Beattie.
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Old May 17th 09, 11:05 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Hank Wirtz
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Default Advice on 700C rim and question regarding Mavic Reflex Clincher700C rims

On May 17, 2:00*pm, Jay Beattie wrote:
On May 17, 12:45*pm, AMuzi wrote:





Adrian Snyder wrote:
I have an older bike (SOMEC) that has two Mavic Reflex Clincher 700C
rims. *They are 32 hole SUP /UB/ CONTROL and also have the following
code on them * 622 13 * 6005 *TIB. *Both are bronzish in color. *What do
these codes mean??


One of these rims (rear) recently failed and I'd like to explore *
several options:


1. *Find someone who has a pair of these rims that they want to sell.
2. *Get another pair of Mavic Open Sport rims in a similar color.
3. *Get recommendations on the best set of 700C rims for the least $$.


Also, *I have a Campy Record 8S hub on this wheel and I've been told I
could just zip-tie the spoke pairs together and transfer to the new
rim...is that true or do I have to get new spokes with the right
length?? *I'm not knowledgeable about these sorts of things.


622 is the ISO rim/tire size 700C
13mm is the inside section of the rim
6005 is the material
Mavic's color code for silver finish was TBP, grey TIB


I'd suggest an asymmetric rear rim such as Velocity's
Aerohead for riders up to 200lb. Get the correct 292mm
spokes with your new rim.


--


If you want to do a straight spoke swap, get the ERD (Effective Rim
Diameter) *for the Reflex from the list off of Damon Rinard's spoke
calc (Google it) and then see if there is another rim out there that
has the same ERD. I think the Reflex has the same ERD as the Open Pro
(605?), so that is always an option, albeit an expensive one. The
Velocity rims have smaller ERDs, and if you go that route, you will
need new spokes. -- Jay Beattie.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


While that will "work," Some rims will have opposite chirality, which
is to say that when the valve is at the bottom of the wheel, a
Velocity will have a non-drive-side spoke in front of the valve, while
the Mavic (IIRC) will have a drive-side spoke in front of the valve.
If such a transfer is done, you'll have a perfectly functional wheel,
but you'll have crossing spokes above the valve, instead of parallel
spokes, as is standard.

(I think that Velocity's that way because they're Australian - their
drains swirl the wrong way and all.)
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Old May 17th 09, 11:59 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Andre Jute[_2_]
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Default Our Christian duty towards Australian cyclists, was Advice on700C rim and question regarding Mavic Reflex Clincher 700C rims

On May 17, 11:05*pm, Hank Wirtz wrote:

(I think that Velocity's that way because they're Australian - their
drains swirl the wrong way and all.)


It has to do with the geomagnetic field. There are really interesting
musical effects too. I had an LP cut in Australia, of the Ern Malley
Suite, and when I unpacked and played it in Cambridge (that's in East
Anglia, not at that place in Massachusetts with the quite good little
missionary school), the music came out backwards. Since Ern Malley was
a practical joke by poets anyway, the jazz suite was at a third or
fourth remove from any tenuous original reality (see my review of the
paintings in Nation Review c1974) and I couldn't tell the difference
between the music as played forwards Down Under or backwards on the
Fens. (Sometimes one wishes Salvador Dali were still alive and rubbing
sardine oil into his hair.)

All of this is a roundabout way of saying we should really do our
Christian best to excuse Australian cyclists when they seem more than
slightly weird. It's the geomagnetics that got them.

Andre Jute
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Old May 18th 09, 12:47 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Michael Press
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Default Advice on 700C rim and question regarding Mavic Reflex Clincher 700C rims

In article ,
"Adrian Snyder" wrote:

You wouldn't drive a car without a rear view mirror, so why would you drive a bicycle without one??


Rhetorical question.

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Old May 18th 09, 01:39 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
jim beam[_5_]
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Default Advice on 700C rim and question regarding Mavic Reflex Clincher700C rims

Adrian Snyder wrote:
I have an older bike (SOMEC) that has two Mavic Reflex Clincher 700C
rims. They are 32 hole SUP /UB/ CONTROL and also have the following
code on them 622 13 6005 TIB. Both are bronzish in color. What do
these codes mean??

One of these rims (rear) recently failed and I'd like to explore
several options:

1. Find someone who has a pair of these rims that they want to sell.
2. Get another pair of Mavic Open Sport rims in a similar color.
3. Get recommendations on the best set of 700C rims for the least $$.


0. the first option you need to explore is getting a spoke tensiometer
and using it for the rebuild. if you rebuild and use excess spoke
tension, the typical cause of cracked rims, your new one will fail too.



Also, I have a Campy Record 8S hub on this wheel and I've been told I
could just zip-tie the spoke pairs together and transfer to the new
rim...is that true or do I have to get new spokes with the right
length?? I'm not knowledgeable about these sorts of things.


it's true if the replacement rim is the same effective diameter. and
the current open pro is real close. check on damon rinard's data.



Email me privately at
thanks in advance.

Adrian
You wouldn't drive a car without a rear view mirror, so why would you
drive a bicycle without one??

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Old May 18th 09, 01:51 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
jim beam[_5_]
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Default Our Christian duty towards Australian cyclists, was Adviceon 700C rim and question regarding Mavic Reflex Clincher 700C rims

Andre Jute wrote:
On May 17, 11:05�pm, Hank Wirtz wrote:

(I think that Velocity's that way because they're Australian - their
drains swirl the wrong way and all.)


It has to do with the geomagnetic field.


geomagnetic??? wow, for a guy that fancies himself as an engineering
expert, you're remarkably ignorant of the coriolis effect.


There are really interesting
musical effects too. I had an LP cut in Australia, of the Ern Malley
Suite, and when I unpacked and played it in Cambridge (that's in East
Anglia, not at that place in Massachusetts with the quite good little
missionary school), the music came out backwards. Since Ern Malley was
a practical joke by poets anyway, the jazz suite was at a third or
fourth remove from any tenuous original reality (see my review of the
paintings in Nation Review c1974) and I couldn't tell the difference
between the music as played forwards Down Under or backwards on the
Fens. (Sometimes one wishes Salvador Dali were still alive and rubbing
sardine oil into his hair.)

All of this is a roundabout way of saying we should really do our
Christian best to excuse Australian cyclists when they seem more than
slightly weird. It's the geomagnetics that got them.

Andre Jute
Visit Jute on Amps at
http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/fiultra/
"wonderfully well written and reasoned information for the tube audio
constructor"
John Broskie TubeCAD & GlassWare
"an unbelievably comprehensive web site containing vital gems of
wisdom"
Stuart Perry Hi-Fi News & Record Review


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Old May 18th 09, 02:20 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Andre Jute[_2_]
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On May 18, 12:19*am, wrote:
Hank Wirtz wrote:


(I think that Velocity's that way because they're Australian - their
drains swirl the wrong way and all.)


So I wonder if Aussies also have left handed steak and bread slicing
knives (with tooth undercut on the left face of the blade.)


Australians eat like civilized people. They hold the fork in the left
hand and the knife in the right hand throughout the meal. They convey
food to their mouths with the fork in the left hand. They do not, like
some other colonials, cut up all their food first, then switch hands
on the fork and use it upside down like a spoon to shovel in food.

Emily Post
 




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