Pavement motorist crashes into shop and injures pedestrian.

Luckily no cyclists were involved this time but they could have been.
Even cycling on pavements isn't safe these days.

"A pedestrian was struck by a car which mounted the pavement on the
Parade in Yelverton, west Devon and crashed into a shop.

The man was freed by emergency services and taken to Derriford
Hospital with serious leg injuries..."

See video

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-13645871

I wonder what this little lot cost the taxpayer?

Doug.

Doug wrote:
Luckily no cyclists were involved this time but they could have been.
Even cycling on pavements isn't safe these days.

"A pedestrian was struck by a car which mounted the pavement on the
Parade in Yelverton, west Devon and crashed into a shop.

The man was freed by emergency services and taken to Derriford
Hospital with serious leg injuries..."

See video

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-13645871

I wonder what this little lot cost the taxpayer?

Doug.

probably about the same as one kilometer of cycle track.

On Jun 4, 7:40*am, Doug wrote:
Luckily no cyclists were involved this time but they could have been.
Even cycling on pavements isn't safe these days.

"A pedestrian was struck by a car which mounted the pavement on the
Parade in Yelverton, west Devon and crashed into a shop.

The man was freed by emergency services and taken to Derriford
Hospital with serious leg injuries..."

See video

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-13645871

I wonder what this little lot cost the taxpayer?

Doug.

What would you do to stop this slaughter of cyclists?
Oh hang on, no cyclists.

On 04/06/2011 07:40, Doug wrote:
Luckily no cyclists were involved this time but they could have been.

But they weren't SFB's, so this is more OT bollox.

Even cycling on pavements isn't safe these days.

Its illegal.

--
Dave - Cyclings VOR
"Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of
transport; it is either a toy for children or a vehicle fit only for the
poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster University.

On 04/06/2011 07:40, Doug wrote:
Luckily no cyclists were involved this time

So nothing to do with cycling then.

but they could have been.

But they weren't

Even cycling on pavements isn't safe these days.

It never has been safe, ask any pedestrian.


"A pedestrian was struck by a car which mounted the pavement on the
Parade in Yelverton, west Devon and crashed into a shop.

Yes....


The man was freed by emergency services and taken to Derriford
Hospital with serious leg injuries..."

Good action by the emergency services then.


See video

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-13645871

I wonder what this little lot cost the taxpayer?

Doug.


No idea, you tell us, the damage would be met by the car insurance, the
rest would come out of general taxation.

On 04/06/2011 07:40, Doug wrote:
Luckily no cyclists were involved this time but they could have been.

So, you have no sympathy for the pedestrian who was struck?

Even cycling on pavements isn't safe these days.

More to the point, it isn't legal.

"A pedestrian was struck by a car which mounted the pavement on the
Parade in Yelverton, west Devon and crashed into a shop.

The man was freed by emergency services and taken to Derriford
Hospital with serious leg injuries..."

See video

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-13645871

I wonder what this little lot cost the taxpayer?

Very little, if everyone uses the powers they have to recover costs from
the car insurance.

The NHS does this routinely for RTAs, so neither hospital not ambulance
costs will be met from the public purse.

The fire brigade can also charge a call-out fee for any attendance that
does not involve a fire - around £250 per engine per hour. Most choose
not to, but government is encouragning them to use this power.

Colin Bignell

On Jun 4, 11:11*am, "Nightjar \"cpb\"@" "insertmysurnamehere wrote:
On 04/06/2011 07:40, Doug wrote:

Luckily no cyclists were involved this time but they could have been.

So, you have no sympathy for the pedestrian who was struck?

I have every sympathy for all vulnerable road users. What about you?

Even cycling on pavements isn't safe these days.

More to the point, it isn't legal.

I believe safety should be prioritised over legality. What about you?

"A pedestrian was struck by a car which mounted the pavement on the
Parade in Yelverton, west Devon and crashed into a shop.

The man was freed by emergency services and taken to Derriford
Hospital with serious leg injuries..."

See video

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-13645871

I wonder what this little lot cost the taxpayer?

Very little, if everyone uses the powers they have to recover costs from
the car insurance.

Didn't you notice all the cops and ambulance people attending the
crash? It must have cost thousands.

The NHS does this routinely for RTAs, so neither hospital not ambulance
costs will be met from the public purse.

See above.

The overall costs are in the region of more than 300 million for
serious 'accidents'.

"Included within these values are the costs to public funds for
medical, ambulance and police costs (emergency services)."

http://www.publications.parliament.u...70604w0026.htm

The fire brigade can also charge a call-out fee for any attendance that
does not involve a fire - around £250 per engine per hour. Most choose
not to, but government is encouragning them to use this power.

Safe to say that the sort of car crashes highlighted here costs the
taxpayer a pretty penny as well as putting lives at risk.

Doug.

On 05/06/2011 05:57, Doug wrote:
On Jun 4, 11:11 am, "Nightjar\"cpb\"@""insertmysurnamehere wrote:
On 04/06/2011 07:40, Doug wrote:

Luckily no cyclists were involved this time but they could have been.

So, you have no sympathy for the pedestrian who was struck?

I have every sympathy for all vulnerable road users. What about you?

Funny you did not mention it until prompted.


Even cycling on pavements isn't safe these days.

More to the point, it isn't legal.

I believe safety should be prioritised over legality. What about you?

Quite correct, we should think about pedestrian safety.


"A pedestrian was struck by a car which mounted the pavement on the
Parade in Yelverton, west Devon and crashed into a shop.

The man was freed by emergency services and taken to Derriford
Hospital with serious leg injuries..."

See video

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-13645871

I wonder what this little lot cost the taxpayer?

Very little, if everyone uses the powers they have to recover costs from
the car insurance.

Didn't you notice all the cops and ambulance people attending the
crash? It must have cost thousands.

The NHS does this routinely for RTAs, so neither hospital not ambulance
costs will be met from the public purse.

See above.

The overall costs are in the region of more than 300 million for
serious 'accidents'.

"Included within these values are the costs to public funds for
medical, ambulance and police costs (emergency services)."

http://www.publications.parliament.u...70604w0026.htm

The fire brigade can also charge a call-out fee for any attendance that
does not involve a fire - around £250 per engine per hour. Most choose
not to, but government is encouragning them to use this power.

Safe to say that the sort of car crashes highlighted here costs the
taxpayer a pretty penny as well as putting lives at risk.

Doug.


So the thread is now about cost & not about danger.

On 05/06/2011 05:57, Doug wrote:
On Jun 4, 11:11 am, "Nightjar\"cpb\"@""insertmysurnamehere wrote:
On 04/06/2011 07:40, Doug wrote:

Luckily no cyclists were involved this time but they could have been.

So, you have no sympathy for the pedestrian who was struck?

I have every sympathy for all vulnerable road users. What about you?

It was me who pointed out that a pedestrian was injured - a fact you
seemed happy to ignore.


Even cycling on pavements isn't safe these days.

More to the point, it isn't legal.

I believe safety should be prioritised over legality. What about you?

You should know by now that I do not condone law breaking. When the law
exists for the safety of others, as is the case with the prohibition of
cycling on pavements, there is a double reason to condemn breaking it.


"A pedestrian was struck by a car which mounted the pavement on the
Parade in Yelverton, west Devon and crashed into a shop.

The man was freed by emergency services and taken to Derriford
Hospital with serious leg injuries..."

See video

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-13645871

I wonder what this little lot cost the taxpayer?

Very little, if everyone uses the powers they have to recover costs from
the car insurance.

Didn't you notice all the cops and ambulance people attending the
crash? It must have cost thousands.

You have kindly provided a link below from which I have been able to
extract the exact cost for such an accident, using 2005 figures.

The NHS does this routinely for RTAs, so neither hospital not ambulance
costs will be met from the public purse.

See above.

The overall costs are in the region of more than 300 million for
serious 'accidents'.

"Included within these values are the costs to public funds for
medical, ambulance and police costs (emergency services)."

http://www.publications.parliament.u...70604w0026.htm

If you follow that link back to the source document, Highways Economics
Note No. 1: 2005 Valuation of the Benefits of Prevention of Road
Accidents and Casualties you will find that the figures represent the
total cost to society, not just the cost to the public purse. Also
included are such things as the loss in productivity due to the person
not being able to work, and entirely notional figures for 'human costs',
which represent pain, grief and suffering and even how much less a dead
person will spend in the economy than if they had lived.

From Table 3 of the document:

For a fatal accident, the total cost is estimated as £1,633,790. Of
that, the only costs that come from the public purse are £5,450 for
ambulance and medical costs and Police costs of £1,660.

For a serious injury accident, which this probably was, the overall cost
is put at £188.920, of which £13,130 are the medical and ambulance costs
and £230 Police costs.

As the NHS recovers its costs from the motor vehicle insurers, the total
unrecoverable cost to the public purse is only the Police cost which
average £1,660 for a fatal accident, £230 for a serious injury accident,
£50 for a slight injury accident and £3 for a damage only accident,
although the last is probably an over-estimate, as damage only accidents
do not need to be reported to the Police.

The fire brigade can also charge a call-out fee for any attendance that
does not involve a fire - around £250 per engine per hour. Most choose
not to, but government is encouragning them to use this power.

Safe to say that the sort of car crashes highlighted here costs the
taxpayer a pretty penny as well as putting lives at risk.

Safe to say, they cost a lot less than you seem to think.

Colin Bignell

On 04/06/2011 09:59, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 04/06/2011 07:40, Doug wrote:
Luckily no cyclists were involved this time

So nothing to do with cycling then.

but they could have been.

But they weren't

Even cycling on pavements isn't safe these days.

It never has been safe, ask any pedestrian.


"A pedestrian was struck by a car which mounted the pavement on the
Parade in Yelverton, west Devon and crashed into a shop.

Yes....


The man was freed by emergency services and taken to Derriford
Hospital with serious leg injuries..."

Good action by the emergency services then.


See video

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-13645871

I wonder what this little lot cost the taxpayer?

Doug.


No idea, you tell us, the damage would be met by the car insurance, the
rest would come out of general taxation.

Well Doug, once again somebody else has done you research for you, and
posted the figures.
Don't you always complain that people do not do research.