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Flip flop hub and 2 chainrings?
I remember reading about a bike with flip-flop, fixed-free hub and a
double chainrings. The fixed set-up uses the smaller fixed cog and the larger of the two chainrings for cruising. The free set-up uses a larger (than the fixed) freewheeling cog and the smaller of the two chainrings for hills. I'm thinking of experiment with one on a 1980s Colnago Superissimo with horizontal drop-outs, and am looking for any pointing in a helpful direction. Anyone know of tried and true gear combinations for this type of set-up? Know of any web articles? Thanks, Larry |
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Flip flop hub and 2 chainrings?
LF wrote:
I remember reading about a bike with flip-flop, fixed-free hub and a double chainrings. The fixed set-up uses the smaller fixed cog and the larger of the two chainrings for cruising. The free set-up uses a larger (than the fixed) freewheeling cog and the smaller of the two chainrings for hills. I'm thinking of experiment with one on a 1980s Colnago Superissimo with horizontal drop-outs, and am looking for any pointing in a helpful direction. Anyone know of tried and true gear combinations for this type of set-up? Know of any web articles? Thanks, Larry isn't differing chain length going to be a problem? you can calculate what it would be for a range of permutations but i think any significant chain ring differences are going to be tough to accommodate. |
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LF wrote:
I remember reading about a bike with flip-flop, fixed-free hub and a double chainrings. The fixed set-up uses the smaller fixed cog and the larger of the two chainrings for cruising. The free set-up uses a larger (than the fixed) freewheeling cog and the smaller of the two chainrings for hills. I'm thinking of experiment with one on a 1980s Colnago Superissimo with horizontal drop-outs, and am looking for any pointing in a helpful direction. Just make sure the two gear combinations have the approximately same number of teeth. Horizontal dropouts give you wiggle room, but a smaller chainring reduces the angle at which the chain approaches the rear cog, so theoretically, a shorter chain length is necessary. If you going to mismatch the tooth counts, give the smaller ratio a few more teeth. One other thing to think about: my experience suggests you should either give the fixed side the preferred chainline, or compromise the two (i.e., at least one of your chainlines will be off and tossing a chain is less fun on a fixie). Anyone know of tried and true gear combinations for this type of set-up? This would be purely personal preference. If I decided I wanted to do this, I'd try about 5.7 m development (48x18 on setup) and 3.7 m dev. (42 x 24). Depending on the length of your chain stays and dropouts, Finding a 24 T rear cog might be tricky, so adjust accordingly suppose. Also note that if I did this, I'd leave it on the 5.7 m dev. side and possibly forget about the other ratio. Know of any web articles? http://sheldonbrown.com/articles.html \\paul -- Paul M. Hobson ..:change the f to ph to reply:. |
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On Apr 7, 9:33 pm, jim beam wrote:
LF wrote: I remember reading about a bike with flip-flop, fixed-free hub and a double chainrings. The fixed set-up uses the smaller fixed cog and the larger of the two chainrings for cruising. The free set-up uses a larger (than the fixed) freewheeling cog and the smaller of the two chainrings for hills. I'm thinking of experiment with one on a 1980s Colnago Superissimo with horizontal drop-outs, and am looking for any pointing in a helpful direction. Anyone know of tried and true gear combinations for this type of set-up? Know of any web articles? Thanks, Larry isn't differing chain length going to be a problem? you can calculate what it would be for a range of permutations but i think any significant chain ring differences are going to be tough to accommodate. The caveat with this setup is that the net teeth must stay the same. Another option is a Surly Dingle cog, a fixed cassette with 2 cogs, a 17 and either a 19, 20, or 21. So say you got a 17-21, you could have 48-44 combo up front, giving 76" and 56" gears. Not only would chain length remain the same, but chainline would be better maintained than by flipping the wheel. You could probably even switch back and forth without loosening the hub, depending on how tight the chain is. |
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On Apr 8, 4:53 pm, John Thompson wrote:
On 2008-04-08, LF wrote: I remember reading about a bike with flip-flop, fixed-free hub and a double chainrings. The fixed set-up uses the smaller fixed cog and the larger of the two chainrings for cruising. The free set-up uses a larger (than the fixed) freewheeling cog and the smaller of the two chainrings for hills. I'm thinking of experiment with one on a 1980s Colnago Superissimo with horizontal drop-outs, and am looking for any pointing in a helpful direction. Anyone know of tried and true gear combinations for this type of set-up? Know of any web articles? Interesting idea, although I'd do it the other way around. Going uphill on a fixed gear is seldom as much trouble as going down. -- John ) Good point...I know I don't ever coast up hills... |
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On Apr 8, 9:31 am, "Paul M. Hobson" wrote:
LF wrote: I remember reading about a bike with flip-flop, fixed-free hub and a double chainrings. The fixed set-up uses the smaller fixed cog and the larger of the two chainrings for cruising. The free set-up uses a larger (than the fixed) freewheeling cog and the smaller of the two chainrings for hills. I'm thinking of experiment with one on a 1980s Colnago Superissimo with horizontal drop-outs, and am looking for any pointing in a helpful direction. Just make sure the two gear combinations have the approximately same number of teeth. Horizontal dropouts give you wiggle room, but a smaller chainring reduces the angle at which the chain approaches the rear cog, so theoretically, a shorter chain length is necessary. If you going to mismatch the tooth counts, give the smaller ratio a few more teeth. One other thing to think about: my experience suggests you should either give the fixed side the preferred chainline, or compromise the two (i.e., at least one of your chainlines will be off and tossing a chain is less fun on a fixie). Anyone know of tried and true gear combinations for this type of set-up? This would be purely personal preference. If I decided I wanted to do this, I'd try about 5.7 m development (48x18 on setup) and 3.7 m dev. (42 x 24). Depending on the length of your chain stays and dropouts, Finding a 24 T rear cog might be tricky, so adjust accordingly suppose. Also note that if I did this, I'd leave it on the 5.7 m dev. side and possibly forget about the other ratio. Know of any web articles? http://sheldonbrown.com/articles.html \\paul Thanks much, For my purposes, I could try a 52/42 chain rings with a 20 fixed and 30 free (If I can find one). The 52x20 fixed would be a good general purpose gear for me (64 inches) and New England's rolling terrain. I would use that most of the time, and set up the chain line to work best with that combo. The 42x30 (34 inches) I'd have for the occasional big climb. Both combos are 72 teeth total. Best, Larry "saved by Sheldon once again, Fieman Marblehead, MA |
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On Mon, 7 Apr 2008 20:57:30 -0700 (PDT), LF wrote:
I remember reading about a bike with flip-flop, fixed-free hub and a double chainrings. The fixed set-up uses the smaller fixed cog and the larger of the two chainrings for cruising. The free set-up uses a larger (than the fixed) freewheeling cog and the smaller of the two chainrings for hills. I'm thinking of experiment with one on a 1980s Colnago Superissimo with horizontal drop-outs, and am looking for any pointing in a helpful direction. Anyone know of tried and true gear combinations for this type of set-up? Know of any web articles? Thanks, Larry This may help: cd = cl - (z1+z2)/2 + sqrt{([cl - z1+z2)/2)^2 - 8*((z2-z1]^2)/4pi^2} where cd = centre distance in pitches cl = chain length in pitches z1 = n0 teeth in small sprocket z2 = n0 teeth in large sprocket |
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Flip flop hub and 2 chainrings?
On Apr 7, 10:57*pm, LF wrote:
I remember reading about a bike with flip-flop, fixed-free hub and a double chainrings. *The fixed set-up uses the smaller fixed cog and the larger of the two chainrings for cruising. *The free set-up uses a larger (than the fixed) freewheeling cog and the smaller of the two chainrings for hills. *I'm thinking of experiment with one on a 1980s Colnago Superissimo with horizontal drop-outs, and am looking for any pointing in a helpful direction. * Anyone know of tried and true gear combinations for this type of set-up? * Know of any web articles? Thanks, Larry Two chainrings and a flip flop hub? Four gears possibly. You do know White Industries has a double freewheel cog (16-18 or 17-19) you could use instead. Then it would be 6 gears or 8 gears possibly. Seems to me your double freewheel flip flop hub thing is about like having a normal geared bike except its less useful. Why not just stick with the normal single speed or the normal geared bike. Why create an abberation midway between the two. |
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Flip flop hub and 2 chainrings?
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Seems to me your double freewheel flip flop hub thing is about like having a normal geared bike except its less useful. Why not just stick with the normal single speed or the normal geared bike. Why create an abberation midway between the two. Russell, I find myself preferring my fixed gear bike. It's fun. But, I am weak. It's great for rolling terrain, but I'm fearful of large hills. I remember reading about some British guy who set up a bike with a flip-flop hub and double chain ring. I'm only looking for two gears, no more. I'm hoping that I could use this set up to mostly ride fixed, but also have the option of a free wheeling, bail out gear for that too long climb. In general, I'm too lazy to get off my bike and flip the floppable wheel. So far, I never have. Sloth forces me to bludgeon over the obstacle. However, cowering in the looming shadow of a seemingly insurmountable mogul, I might give it a whirl. I guess I could always get off and walk -- again. It would be easier an simpler than flopping. But, I imagine my self on a long ride, and when I cross the great plains, and come to the foothills of the rockies, I could flip it. Best, Larry |
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Flip flop hub and 2 chainrings?
On Apr 7, 9:57*pm, LF wrote:
I remember reading about a bike with flip-flop, fixed-free hub and a double chainrings. *The fixed set-up uses the smaller fixed cog and the larger of the two chainrings for cruising. *The free set-up uses a larger (than the fixed) freewheeling cog and the smaller of the two chainrings for hills. *I'm thinking of experiment with one on a 1980s Colnago Superissimo with horizontal drop-outs, and am looking for any pointing in a helpful direction. * Anyone know of tried and true gear combinations for this type of set-up? * Know of any web articles? Thanks, Larry Dear Larry, Sorry, I suspect that I hit the wrong button and somehow sent you an email instead of a post to this thread. Here's a chain calculator for the distance between sprocket centers, given the number of teeth and the links: http://www.wa4dsy.net/robot/sprocket For anyone interested in testing the equation, which takes a bit of patience to put into a spreadsheet, any two same-size sprockets will eliminate the tricky geometry, leaving only reassuringly simple arithmetic behind. For example, 112 half-inch links wrapped around a pair of 53-tooth sprockets will put the sprocket centers 29.5 links or 14.75" apart. Each half-sprocket of chain requires 53/2 links, so you subtract that from the 112 links available. Then you need to split the remaining 59 links into the upper and lower vertical runs, which means that the centers are 29.5 half-inch links apart. Cheers, Carl Fogel |
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