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Old August 23rd 20, 03:14 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Mike Collins
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Default Driver on drugs who mowed down group of cyclists while on wrongside of road is jailed - LONG

On Sunday, 23 August 2020 14:56:54 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 23/08/2020 14:05, Mike Collins wrote:

Legal cannabis results in increased use but a reduction in alcohol use which can only be a good thing for the individual as well as society.


Prove it.

Perhaps that's a bit too difficult.

Let's just say: "Provide a scrap of evidence for it".

Prove that normal people who drink a moderate amount of alcohol - or
even immoderate amounts of it - will drink less and start smoking
(*smoking!*) drugs, whether cannabis or tobacco.

Are non-smokers going to start smoking?

I shall not, for one.


Once again you prove your ignorance on the subject.
Edibles are also available and the most popular.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tZSJiFMExQ.


Free clinics for hard drugs has been proven to result in a reduction is use and far fewer deaths from overdose and impure product as well as a reduction in acquisitive crime.


In other news, free clinics for illnesses and diseases of all kinds have
been proven to result in reduction and fewer deaths


So you agree, thanks for your support.

and prison sentences have been proven to result in a reduction in acquisitive crime.


Completely the opposite unless you are suggestion life without parole for all crimes.



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Old August 23rd 20, 03:18 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Mike Collins
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Default Driver on drugs who mowed down group of cyclists while on wrongside of road is jailed - LONG

On Sunday, 23 August 2020 14:57:35 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 23/08/2020 14:07, Mike Collins wrote:
On Sunday, 23 August 2020 02:31:53 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 22/08/2020 14:05, Mike Collins wrote:
On Saturday, 22 August 2020 13:49:48 UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:
On Friday, August 21, 2020 at 10:09:19 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
On Thursday, 20 August 2020 17:56:08 UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:
Another drugged up moron in charge of a lethal weapon causes carnage. His car has been seized and crushed.

QUOTE:
A driver who had taken amphetamine ploughed into a group of experienced cyclists, throwing some into the air and forcing others under the car..

Jason Morgan did not even try to brake as he drove at around 60mph on the wrong side of the road towards the group before his bumper hit the front cyclist’s leg.

In a victim impact statement read out at Cardiff Crown Court Darran Thomas said: “I don’t think I will ever be the same person again.”

The incident happened on a mountain road at Mynydd Fochrhiw in Bargoed on April 20 last year. Peter Donnison, prosecuting, said friends Mr Thomas, Huw Smith, Christopher Jones, and David Myhill met at Treforest to cycle together. They were described as “experienced and passionate” cyclists who had ridden all over the world.

They cycled towards Abercynon – a “very hilly” route. Mr Thomas, who was at the front, heard a car engine revving and saw a Vauxhall Corsa on the wrong side of the road travelling towards them.

He described it going at a “fair speed” and Mr Donnison said there was no evidence it was going over the 60mph speed limit. He added: “The defendant made no attempt to stop. He kept driving towards them.”

Mr Thomas thought the driver did not like cyclists and was doing it on purpose to scare them then realised he was not going to swerve or stop..

The front cyclist shouted at the driver and tried to avoid the car by turning towards the grassy bank but he felt the bumper hit his leg and bike and he was thrown into the air. Mr Donnison said: “He was struggling to breathe, he was in so much pain.”

Mr Smith, who was behind Mr Thomas, could not remember what happened, as he suffered a head injury.

Mr Jones, behind him, remembered hearing a loud crash, feeling impact, and being hurled into the air. Mr Myhill did not see anything but heard a loud bang.

A driver behind the cyclists called an ambulance. Morgan waited by his car and did not try to leave the crash site. A roadside breath test confirmed he was not under the influence of alcohol.

Morgan was arrested and taken to Ystrad Mynach Police Station. He was described as “drowsy” and taken to the Royal Gwent Hospital as he was not fit to be detained. He was found to have 812 micrograms of amphetamine in his blood.

Collision investigators found the car did not have any defects that could have contributed to the crash and the sun would not have been directly in the driver’s eyes.

The court heard the car’s windscreen was smashed and there was evidence some of the cyclists were thrown over it while others were forced under it.

Judge Nicola Jones noticed the victims were not in court for the sentencing and asked the prosecutor to double check whether they wanted to be there. One said he was “too traumatised” and did not want to hear the facts read out.

Mr Thomas, 54, suffered life-changing injuries, including a broken leg which had to be completely reconstructed, involving skin and muscle grafts. He had six fractured ribs, a punctured lung, a chipped shoulder, and spinal injuries.

He spent five days in intensive care and was just about able to walk with crutches by September – nearly six months after the crash. He is still having physio and counselling.

Mr Thomas said: “I can’t put into words the impact this incident has had on me. It has completely changed my life in ways I did not know were possible.” He said he was left unable to do everyday things he used to take for granted and had to rely heavily on family and friends.

Mr Thomas said his health and fitness declined rapidly. He lost 12kg and did not recognise his own legs as he lost so much muscle. He was unable to work and couldn’t wait to go back.

He said: “I don’t think I will ever be the same person again. I don’t think the memories are ever going to leave me. I hope one day I might be fit enough to run again. I’m not sure I’ll ever be emotionally strong enough to ride a bike on the road again.”

Mr Smith had to have facial surgery and dental treatment. It is estimated he will need £40,000 worth of extra dental treatment over his lifetime. He said: “My beard was hard with blood. I was shocked at the sight of my face in the mirror.”

Mr Jones, who was concussed, said he would never forget seeing the defendant hitting his friends. He feared for his work as a ski instructor due to his knee injury.

He said before the crash the friends had been planning a trip to France to watch the Tour de France and cycle in the Alps. He confirmed he had been able to get back on his bike but is now doing more remote gravel biking instead of road riding.

Mr Myhill did not feel able to provide a victim impact statement as he was trying to move on and did not want to relive what happened. He has not been cycling again.

When he was interviewed by the police Morgan accepted being involved in a collision but denied the offences, claiming the fault was “50-50”. He added: “They didn’t see me. I didn’t see them.”

Mr Donnison said he had six previous offences on his record including drink-driving in 2000 and a drugs offence in 2001.

Morgan, 48, from Coly Row in Bedlinog, Treharris, admitted dangerous driving and two counts of causing serious injury by dangerous driving.

Lucy Crowther, for Morgan, reminded the judge her client had already been punished for the amphetamine offence and suggested that should not have been dealt with in the magistrates’ court and all the offences should have been sentenced at the same time.

She added: “He does ask me to say, on his behalf, how desperately sorry he is. He has not driven since and he has got no intention of ever driving again in his life.”

Judge Jones told the defendant: “You should not have been driving.”

He was sent to prison for two years and eight months and will have to serve half of that before he can be released on licence. He will be disqualified from driving for three years from the time of his release and have to pass an extended test before being allowed to drive again. An order was made for his car to be confiscated.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...ailed-18800989

Legalise cannabis and open clinics where hard drug users can get a fix of controlled purity drugs administered by trained professionals under sterile conditions and this sort of thing will end.

All that will happen is that these murdering drivers will STILL get behind the wheel of a vehicle but with legally administered drugs, rather than street gear.
They will still be driving with illegal drug levels though.

Actual real world evidence proves otherwise.

Other than for his silly belief that the majority of drug-addicts and
users are drivers, I tnd to support Mason in this dispute.

Tolerance of drugs just encourages the dealers and addicts (apparently,
such as yourself).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_FAO4-Zi84

You can follow the link or remain ignorant, I don't care either way.


Take it up with mason. On this issue, he is at least half-right.


Using your logic all alcohol drinkers are alcoholics.
Cannabis is a take it or leave it drug just like alcohol. The difference is it doesn't destroy internal organs or promote violence.
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Old August 23rd 20, 03:35 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Mike Collins
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Default Driver on drugs who mowed down group of cyclists while on wrongside of road is jailed - LONG

On Sunday, 23 August 2020 14:56:54 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 23/08/2020 14:05, Mike Collins wrote:


Legal cannabis results in increased use but a reduction in alcohol use which can only be a good thing for the individual as well as society.


Prove it.

Perhaps that's a bit too difficult.

Let's just say: "Provide a scrap of evidence for it".

Prove that normal people who drink a moderate amount of alcohol - or
even immoderate amounts of it - will drink less and start smoking
(*smoking!*) drugs, whether cannabis or tobacco.

Are non-smokers going to start smoking?

I shall not, for one.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpgHBy-hRac

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...ble-SPEAK.html

Hairy bikers said it was like having 2 glasses of wine.

I was brainwashed as a child to think 'DRUGS ARE EVIL' just like I was brainwashed to believe in Christianity and I remember at primary school being told about these weird people called vegetarians who had to nibble nuts all day to make up for their lack of protein. Then I grew up, did some research and formed my own opinions.
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Old August 23rd 20, 03:50 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_12_]
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Default Driver on drugs who mowed down group of cyclists while on wrongside of road is jailed - LONG

On 23/08/2020 15:18, Mike Collins wrote:
On Sunday, 23 August 2020 14:57:35 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 23/08/2020 14:07, Mike Collins wrote:
On Sunday, 23 August 2020 02:31:53 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 22/08/2020 14:05, Mike Collins wrote:
On Saturday, 22 August 2020 13:49:48 UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:
On Friday, August 21, 2020 at 10:09:19 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
On Thursday, 20 August 2020 17:56:08 UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:
Another drugged up moron in charge of a lethal weapon causes carnage. His car has been seized and crushed.

QUOTE:
A driver who had taken amphetamine ploughed into a group of experienced cyclists, throwing some into the air and forcing others under the car.

Jason Morgan did not even try to brake as he drove at around 60mph on the wrong side of the road towards the group before his bumper hit the front cyclist’s leg.

In a victim impact statement read out at Cardiff Crown Court Darran Thomas said: “I don’t think I will ever be the same person again.”

The incident happened on a mountain road at Mynydd Fochrhiw in Bargoed on April 20 last year. Peter Donnison, prosecuting, said friends Mr Thomas, Huw Smith, Christopher Jones, and David Myhill met at Treforest to cycle together. They were described as “experienced and passionate” cyclists who had ridden all over the world.

They cycled towards Abercynon – a “very hilly” route. Mr Thomas, who was at the front, heard a car engine revving and saw a Vauxhall Corsa on the wrong side of the road travelling towards them.

He described it going at a “fair speed” and Mr Donnison said there was no evidence it was going over the 60mph speed limit. He added: “The defendant made no attempt to stop. He kept driving towards them.”

Mr Thomas thought the driver did not like cyclists and was doing it on purpose to scare them then realised he was not going to swerve or stop.

The front cyclist shouted at the driver and tried to avoid the car by turning towards the grassy bank but he felt the bumper hit his leg and bike and he was thrown into the air. Mr Donnison said: “He was struggling to breathe, he was in so much pain.”

Mr Smith, who was behind Mr Thomas, could not remember what happened, as he suffered a head injury.

Mr Jones, behind him, remembered hearing a loud crash, feeling impact, and being hurled into the air. Mr Myhill did not see anything but heard a loud bang.

A driver behind the cyclists called an ambulance. Morgan waited by his car and did not try to leave the crash site. A roadside breath test confirmed he was not under the influence of alcohol.

Morgan was arrested and taken to Ystrad Mynach Police Station. He was described as “drowsy” and taken to the Royal Gwent Hospital as he was not fit to be detained. He was found to have 812 micrograms of amphetamine in his blood.

Collision investigators found the car did not have any defects that could have contributed to the crash and the sun would not have been directly in the driver’s eyes.

The court heard the car’s windscreen was smashed and there was evidence some of the cyclists were thrown over it while others were forced under it.

Judge Nicola Jones noticed the victims were not in court for the sentencing and asked the prosecutor to double check whether they wanted to be there. One said he was “too traumatised” and did not want to hear the facts read out.

Mr Thomas, 54, suffered life-changing injuries, including a broken leg which had to be completely reconstructed, involving skin and muscle grafts. He had six fractured ribs, a punctured lung, a chipped shoulder, and spinal injuries.

He spent five days in intensive care and was just about able to walk with crutches by September – nearly six months after the crash. He is still having physio and counselling.

Mr Thomas said: “I can’t put into words the impact this incident has had on me. It has completely changed my life in ways I did not know were possible.” He said he was left unable to do everyday things he used to take for granted and had to rely heavily on family and friends.

Mr Thomas said his health and fitness declined rapidly. He lost 12kg and did not recognise his own legs as he lost so much muscle. He was unable to work and couldn’t wait to go back.

He said: “I don’t think I will ever be the same person again. I don’t think the memories are ever going to leave me. I hope one day I might be fit enough to run again. I’m not sure I’ll ever be emotionally strong enough to ride a bike on the road again.”

Mr Smith had to have facial surgery and dental treatment. It is estimated he will need £40,000 worth of extra dental treatment over his lifetime. He said: “My beard was hard with blood. I was shocked at the sight of my face in the mirror.”

Mr Jones, who was concussed, said he would never forget seeing the defendant hitting his friends. He feared for his work as a ski instructor due to his knee injury.

He said before the crash the friends had been planning a trip to France to watch the Tour de France and cycle in the Alps. He confirmed he had been able to get back on his bike but is now doing more remote gravel biking instead of road riding.

Mr Myhill did not feel able to provide a victim impact statement as he was trying to move on and did not want to relive what happened. He has not been cycling again.

When he was interviewed by the police Morgan accepted being involved in a collision but denied the offences, claiming the fault was “50-50”. He added: “They didn’t see me. I didn’t see them.”

Mr Donnison said he had six previous offences on his record including drink-driving in 2000 and a drugs offence in 2001.

Morgan, 48, from Coly Row in Bedlinog, Treharris, admitted dangerous driving and two counts of causing serious injury by dangerous driving.

Lucy Crowther, for Morgan, reminded the judge her client had already been punished for the amphetamine offence and suggested that should not have been dealt with in the magistrates’ court and all the offences should have been sentenced at the same time.

She added: “He does ask me to say, on his behalf, how desperately sorry he is. He has not driven since and he has got no intention of ever driving again in his life.”

Judge Jones told the defendant: “You should not have been driving.”

He was sent to prison for two years and eight months and will have to serve half of that before he can be released on licence. He will be disqualified from driving for three years from the time of his release and have to pass an extended test before being allowed to drive again. An order was made for his car to be confiscated.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...ailed-18800989

Legalise cannabis and open clinics where hard drug users can get a fix of controlled purity drugs administered by trained professionals under sterile conditions and this sort of thing will end.

All that will happen is that these murdering drivers will STILL get behind the wheel of a vehicle but with legally administered drugs, rather than street gear.
They will still be driving with illegal drug levels though.

Actual real world evidence proves otherwise.

Other than for his silly belief that the majority of drug-addicts and
users are drivers, I tnd to support Mason in this dispute.

Tolerance of drugs just encourages the dealers and addicts (apparently,
such as yourself).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_FAO4-Zi84

You can follow the link or remain ignorant, I don't care either way.


Take it up with mason. On this issue, he is at least half-right.


Using your logic all alcohol drinkers are alcoholics.


Not at all.

Cannabis is a take it or leave it drug just like alcohol. The difference is it doesn't destroy internal organs or promote violence.


That is of no consequence because the major differences with cannabis a

(a) it's illegal to possess or supply it, and

(b) most people do not smoke anyway, so taking up the use of that
illegal drug would require them to do something they find disgusting (as
all smoking is).

Smokers, who are less fastidious, would probably put up less resistance.

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Old August 23rd 20, 03:52 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_12_]
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Default Driver on drugs who mowed down group of cyclists while on wrongside of road is jailed - LONG

On 23/08/2020 15:14, Mike Collins wrote:
On Sunday, 23 August 2020 14:56:54 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 23/08/2020 14:05, Mike Collins wrote:

Legal cannabis results in increased use but a reduction in alcohol use which can only be a good thing for the individual as well as society.


Prove it.

Perhaps that's a bit too difficult.

Let's just say: "Provide a scrap of evidence for it".

Prove that normal people who drink a moderate amount of alcohol - or
even immoderate amounts of it - will drink less and start smoking
(*smoking!*) drugs, whether cannabis or tobacco.

Are non-smokers going to start smoking?

I shall not, for one.


Once again you prove your ignorance on the subject.
Edibles are also available and the most popular.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tZSJiFMExQ.


Free clinics for hard drugs has been proven to result in a reduction is use and far fewer deaths from overdose and impure product as well as a reduction in acquisitive crime.


In other news, free clinics for illnesses and diseases of all kinds have
been proven to result in reduction and fewer deaths


So you agree, thanks for your support.

and prison sentences have been proven to result in a reduction in acquisitive crime.


Completely the opposite unless you are suggestion life without parole for all crimes.


I shall assume you meant to type something a little different.

Acquisitive crime is rather inhibited whilst a thief in prison
(temptation to steal from other inmates excepted).

The longer the sentence, the longer-lived the protection.
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Old August 23rd 20, 03:53 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_12_]
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Default Driver on drugs who mowed down group of cyclists while on wrongside of road is jailed - LONG

On 23/08/2020 15:35, Mike Collins wrote:
On Sunday, 23 August 2020 14:56:54 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 23/08/2020 14:05, Mike Collins wrote:


Legal cannabis results in increased use but a reduction in alcohol use which can only be a good thing for the individual as well as society.


Prove it.

Perhaps that's a bit too difficult.

Let's just say: "Provide a scrap of evidence for it".

Prove that normal people who drink a moderate amount of alcohol - or
even immoderate amounts of it - will drink less and start smoking
(*smoking!*) drugs, whether cannabis or tobacco.

Are non-smokers going to start smoking?

I shall not, for one.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpgHBy-hRac

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...ble-SPEAK.html

Hairy bikers said it was like having 2 glasses of wine.

I was brainwashed as a child to think 'DRUGS ARE EVIL' just like I was brainwashed to believe in Christianity and I remember at primary school being told about these weird people called vegetarians who had to nibble nuts all day to make up for their lack of protein. Then I grew up, did some research and formed my own opinions.


Most of us can live without it.
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Old August 23rd 20, 04:17 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Mike Collins
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Default Driver on drugs who mowed down group of cyclists while on wrongside of road is jailed - LONG

On Sunday, 23 August 2020 15:49:11 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 23/08/2020 15:18, Mike Collins wrote:


Using your logic all alcohol drinkers are alcoholics.


Not at all.

Cannabis is a take it or leave it drug just like alcohol. The difference is it doesn't destroy internal organs or promote violence.


That is of no consequence because the major differences with cannabis a

(a) it's illegal to possess or supply it, and

(b) most people do not smoke anyway, so taking up the use of that
illegal drug would require them to do something they find disgusting (as
all smoking is).

Smokers, who are less fastidious, would probably put up less resistance.


Once again your brainwashing is showing, cannabis does not need to be smoked.
  #28  
Old August 23rd 20, 04:22 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Mike Collins
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Default Driver on drugs who mowed down group of cyclists while on wrongside of road is jailed - LONG

On Sunday, 23 August 2020 15:51:58 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 23/08/2020 15:35, Mike Collins wrote:
On Sunday, 23 August 2020 14:56:54 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 23/08/2020 14:05, Mike Collins wrote:


Legal cannabis results in increased use but a reduction in alcohol use which can only be a good thing for the individual as well as society.

Prove it.

Perhaps that's a bit too difficult.

Let's just say: "Provide a scrap of evidence for it".

Prove that normal people who drink a moderate amount of alcohol - or
even immoderate amounts of it - will drink less and start smoking
(*smoking!*) drugs, whether cannabis or tobacco.

Are non-smokers going to start smoking?

I shall not, for one.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpgHBy-hRac

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...ble-SPEAK.html

Hairy bikers said it was like having 2 glasses of wine.

I was brainwashed as a child to think 'DRUGS ARE EVIL' just like I was brainwashed to believe in Christianity and I remember at primary school being told about these weird people called vegetarians who had to nibble nuts all day to make up for their lack of protein. Then I grew up, did some research and formed my own opinions.


Most of us can live without it.


Cannabis users can live without it just like most alcohol users. Why do you believe it is up to you to decide which harmless recreational drugs adults can use?
Should we ban caffeine or sugar? Sugar causes more harm than cannabis as does red meat and lack of exercise.

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Old August 25th 20, 03:43 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Driver on drugs who mowed down group of cyclists while on wrong side of road is jailed - LONG

On 16:17 23 Aug 2020, Mike Collins said:

On Sunday, 23 August 2020 15:49:11 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 23/08/2020 15:18, Mike Collins wrote:


Using your logic all alcohol drinkers are alcoholics.


Not at all.

Cannabis is a take it or leave it drug just like alcohol. The
difference is it doesn't destroy internal organs or promote violence.


That is of no consequence because the major differences with cannabis
a

(a) it's illegal to possess or supply it, and

(b) most people do not smoke anyway, so taking up the use of that
illegal drug would require them to do something they find disgusting
(as all smoking is).

Smokers, who are less fastidious, would probably put up less
resistance.


Once again your brainwashing is showing, cannabis does not need to be
smoked.


How often do you take cannabis and how much?
  #30  
Old August 30th 20, 06:24 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_12_]
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Default Driver on drugs who mowed down group of cyclists while on wrongside of road is jailed - LONG

On 23/08/2020 16:22, Mike Collins wrote:

[ ... ]

... Why do you believe it is up to you to decide which harmless recreational drugs adults can use?


It isn't.

It's up to Parliament.

And Parliament has banned the use of cannabis as well as any illegal
"harmless recreational drugs" that exist.

You must be utterly deflated by the fact that every civilised state in
the world has laws against... er... illegal drugs.

Why do their legislatures all believe that they have the right to
decide... [continued on p.629.]

 




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