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Making America into Amsterdam
On 2018-07-18 01:53, sms wrote:
On 7/17/2018 6:15 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, July 17, 2018 at 4:38:09 PM UTC-7, sms wrote: On 7/17/2018 7:49 AM, Joerg wrote: sigh Joerg, what are we talking about here? The maps they have up there mostly cover streets, not trails. Yes, streets are for transportation. But as I said, almost all bike paths are really linear parks. IOW their recreational use _far_ exceeds their transportation use - like by a 100 to 1 ratio. Go to the Bay Area, go to Sacramento, go to Davis or almost anywhere around here and you will see that that is not correct. LOL, obviously Frank is extrapolating his extremely limited experience onto the ROW. I don't know of any bike paths in the Bay Area that are "linear parks." It might be nice if some were since a path that winds its way over and under freeways is not so pleasant even if it is functional. There are some paths that pass through parks, such as the Los Gatos Creek Trail which passes through Campbell Park and Vasona Park, just because the parks were also placed alongside the creek long before the path was put in. Actually, the path to Lexington has been there since before I was born. Since Lexington was built at least. Alas, my childhood at Lexington School. http://www.losgatosca.gov/images/pag...n%20School.jpg I can smell the bay trees! The part from downtown Los Gatos to Lexington is not really a bike path. I remember the first time I used it. when I got to the reservoir I had to lift my bicycle over a fence, and it was not even possible to ride the whole way. It wasn't even dirt, it was a rock path. I suppose the question is who is responsible for maintenance. It looks like the Los Gatos Creek Trail is managed by park services. https://www.losgatosca.gov/170/Parks-Trails-Locations Some of the bicycle facilities are linked parks in SCV and some are straight-up MUPs. Do you have any that are designed for bikes specifically, or are they all shared? Why is the question who maintains it? It does begin to matter when there is finger-pointing like with the rock slide at Lake Natoma. Two years and ... nothing happened. One agency points to the other, saying "not our responsibility". Government at its finest. So everyone "clandestinely" climbs over the rocks now. The American River Trail is basically a park. My Willamette Greenway Trail is kind of a split the difference. https://www.oregonhikers.org/w/image...C_Portland.jpg I'd take that home except the ICE protesters are blocking a portion to the north. The American River Parkway is heavily used for commuting. It does pass through parks in a bunch of cities along the way, just because parks were along the river. It also goes past Costco and REI. Correct. Just don't expect Frank to accept that fact :-) Though lately it has in part become a "residential" facility with homeless camps because the mayor of Sacramentos promised lots of free stuff. So they came there and now the mayor and his folks are "surprised" by the sharp rise in the number of homeless people. A lot of them moved down there from the El Dorado Trail area which is a very noticeable effect, just not to leftists. The most efficient facilities are the bike lanes, IMO. With that said, the long rail-trail conversions can be great because RRs required such a mild grade, generally speaking (not talking about cog railways or Sierra RRs, etc.) The Springwater east makes getting out to the country really easy. http://i.imgur.com/ps284.jpg But I'm not riding out to the country every day. I'm riding to work on ordinary roads, many with bike lanes and many without. Gotta be able to ride on the roads. The shared recreation trails are a pain though only for the first half mile or so from the closest access point, and mainly on weekends. I think the most ridiculous statement was that the bicycle paths all have a parking lot at each end. The ones around here sure don't. Ours often do, like the huge lot at Nimbus Hatchery in Rancho Cordova. The hatchery closes at 3pm but they made sure that the gates will open from the inside after that for split-commute cyclists and sports riders. Some parking lots like those on the El Dorado Trail are a bit small, especially on weekends. Split-commutes increasingly popular here where people drive the part that has no bike facilities and then hop into the saddle. I started doing that myself, for longer valley runs lately and now got a bus/RT pass. The buses run mostly empty and have two bike racks. Of course, it would be bad if Murphy's law struck and both are occupied on the last bus back. [...] -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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Making America into Amsterdam
On 7/18/2018 7:39 AM, wrote:
On Wednesday, July 18, 2018 at 4:18:26 PM UTC+2, sms wrote: On 7/18/2018 12:35 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, July 17, 2018 at 5:01:16 PM UTC+2, Joerg wrote: Then why do you ridicule my preparedness when you know that in our area MTB use is often required to get to certain places? It is hard not to ridicule your preparedness when 99% of us find your measurements heavily exaggerated. I don't go for a ride with the idea that I might have to save someone from dying. Fortunately for us we don"t meet those people. All those idiots bump into you. On the other hand I was stopped a couple of weeks ago by someone who had a flat and no spare or pump. I gave him a tube and spent a CO2 cartridge (I carry two of each). He insisted that I gave hime my bankaccount number so he could compensate me for the costs (6.5 euro for the tube and 1.50 euro for the CO2 cartridge). I'm still waiting. Next time he can use my phone to call a cab/his wife or he can walk... Just hope that he paid it forward in some other way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay_it_forward 6.5 euro for a tube and 1.50 euro a CO2 cartridge is about 2-3x what those items cost in the U.S.. We have also cheaper alternatives, but I choose these; https://www.bike-components.de/en/Sc...8-Tyres-p1381/ the reason is not the weight but the pack size. I can store 3 of these in my saddle bag together with 3 CO2 cartridges. I now buy only Schwalbe tubes and tires, but I haven't bought the Extralight tubes which are more expensive. 6.50 Euro is about right. The cartridges are indeed expensive: https://www.bike-components.de/en/To...5-Pack-p22030/ On average I use 3-5 per season. I SPIT on C02 cartridges. I bought a mini pump small enough to fit in a seat bag. https://cycletechreview.com/2016/reviews/ohuhu-mini-pump-review/. Actually bought a bunch of them when they were available for around $15. |
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Making America into Amsterdam
sms writes:
I think the most ridiculous statement was that the bicycle paths all have a parking lot at each end. The ones around here sure don't. There are parking lots nearby some of the access points, in corporate locations, shopping areas, parks, and condo or apartment complexes, but these were not added for people to drive to the trail and park. The one I know of that does have parking lots along the way specifically for trail users is Sawyer Camp trail, though the parking lots are not at both ends, the northern end of the trail has no parking lot, though there is street parking close by. Different worlds, I guess. Where to put the parking lots is a major bone of contention for any proposed MUP around here. Nothing freezes the cockles of a New Englander's heart like thinking that someone, somewhere is parking at his expense, or that good for nothing bike-rack toting cars might clog up his business lot to no commercial purpose. -- |
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Duane writes:
On 17/07/2018 6:46 PM, Joerg wrote: In the US we have a much nastier habit among weight weenie cyclists who probably find the weight of a paper tissue unbearable. So they don't carry any. When the nose gets plugged they press a finger against one side and let off a "snot rocket", then against the other for missile #2. I was almost hit by one when pulling out to pass a cyclist. It's disgusting. Yes, I'm sure it's the weight of the tissue that prevents these cyclists from using them. Maybe it's some guy coming up behind them with the tunes blaring and the bright headlight that invokes this behavior... I would much rather see the occasional tiny blob of snot on the road instead of blowing tissues. How and from where does one fish a dry tissue when riding along? Think of the trees, for God's sake. -- |
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On Wednesday, July 18, 2018 at 8:21:26 AM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 7/18/2018 7:39 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, July 18, 2018 at 4:18:26 PM UTC+2, sms wrote: On 7/18/2018 12:35 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, July 17, 2018 at 5:01:16 PM UTC+2, Joerg wrote: Then why do you ridicule my preparedness when you know that in our area MTB use is often required to get to certain places? It is hard not to ridicule your preparedness when 99% of us find your measurements heavily exaggerated. I don't go for a ride with the idea that I might have to save someone from dying. Fortunately for us we don"t meet those people. All those idiots bump into you. On the other hand I was stopped a couple of weeks ago by someone who had a flat and no spare or pump. I gave him a tube and spent a CO2 cartridge (I carry two of each). He insisted that I gave hime my bankaccount number so he could compensate me for the costs (6.5 euro for the tube and 1.50 euro for the CO2 cartridge). I'm still waiting. Next time he can use my phone to call a cab/his wife or he can walk... Just hope that he paid it forward in some other way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay_it_forward 6.5 euro for a tube and 1.50 euro a CO2 cartridge is about 2-3x what those items cost in the U.S.. We have also cheaper alternatives, but I choose these; https://www.bike-components.de/en/Sc...8-Tyres-p1381/ the reason is not the weight but the pack size. I can store 3 of these in my saddle bag together with 3 CO2 cartridges. I now buy only Schwalbe tubes and tires, but I haven't bought the Extralight tubes which are more expensive. 6.50 Euro is about right. The cartridges are indeed expensive: https://www.bike-components.de/en/To...5-Pack-p22030/ On average I use 3-5 per season. I SPIT on C02 cartridges. I bought a mini pump small enough to fit in a seat bag. https://cycletechreview.com/2016/reviews/ohuhu-mini-pump-review/. Actually bought a bunch of them when they were available for around $15. I spit on tiny clown pumps -- no, I mean it. Sometimes the pump-handle/piston needs lubrication. I prefer the hose models, but all of them are a PITA and require about 200 strokes to get a tire up to pressure. I also carry CO2 cartridges and used both the pump and the cartridges last weekend due to a flat-fest with my son. I buy cheap cartridges in bulk from Amazon. Yes, the environmental impact of steel cartridges is bad . . . but they're so convenient! I scoffed at them until I started using them, but I would not go with CO2 alone. I always carry a pump. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On 18/07/2018 12:03 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
Duane writes: On 17/07/2018 6:46 PM, Joerg wrote: In the US we have a much nastier habit among weight weenie cyclists who probably find the weight of a paper tissue unbearable. So they don't carry any. When the nose gets plugged they press a finger against one side and let off a "snot rocket", then against the other for missile #2. I was almost hit by one when pulling out to pass a cyclist. It's disgusting. Yes, I'm sure it's the weight of the tissue that prevents these cyclists from using them. Maybe it's some guy coming up behind them with the tunes blaring and the bright headlight that invokes this behavior... I would much rather see the occasional tiny blob of snot on the road instead of blowing tissues. How and from where does one fish a dry tissue when riding along? Think of the trees, for God's sake. Yeah, but you don't live "out there" where things get really hairy. You're probably only riding in the pacific traffic on Comm Ave... |
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Making America into Amsterdam
On 18/07/2018 12:15 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, July 18, 2018 at 8:21:26 AM UTC-7, sms wrote: On 7/18/2018 7:39 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, July 18, 2018 at 4:18:26 PM UTC+2, sms wrote: On 7/18/2018 12:35 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, July 17, 2018 at 5:01:16 PM UTC+2, Joerg wrote: Then why do you ridicule my preparedness when you know that in our area MTB use is often required to get to certain places? It is hard not to ridicule your preparedness when 99% of us find your measurements heavily exaggerated. I don't go for a ride with the idea that I might have to save someone from dying. Fortunately for us we don"t meet those people. All those idiots bump into you. On the other hand I was stopped a couple of weeks ago by someone who had a flat and no spare or pump. I gave him a tube and spent a CO2 cartridge (I carry two of each). He insisted that I gave hime my bankaccount number so he could compensate me for the costs (6.5 euro for the tube and 1.50 euro for the CO2 cartridge). I'm still waiting. Next time he can use my phone to call a cab/his wife or he can walk... Just hope that he paid it forward in some other way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay_it_forward 6.5 euro for a tube and 1.50 euro a CO2 cartridge is about 2-3x what those items cost in the U.S.. We have also cheaper alternatives, but I choose these; https://www.bike-components.de/en/Sc...8-Tyres-p1381/ the reason is not the weight but the pack size. I can store 3 of these in my saddle bag together with 3 CO2 cartridges. I now buy only Schwalbe tubes and tires, but I haven't bought the Extralight tubes which are more expensive. 6.50 Euro is about right. The cartridges are indeed expensive: https://www.bike-components.de/en/To...5-Pack-p22030/ On average I use 3-5 per season. I SPIT on C02 cartridges. I bought a mini pump small enough to fit in a seat bag. https://cycletechreview.com/2016/reviews/ohuhu-mini-pump-review/. Actually bought a bunch of them when they were available for around $15. I spit on tiny clown pumps -- no, I mean it. Sometimes the pump-handle/piston needs lubrication. I prefer the hose models, but all of them are a PITA and require about 200 strokes to get a tire up to pressure. I also carry CO2 cartridges and used both the pump and the cartridges last weekend due to a flat-fest with my son. I buy cheap cartridges in bulk from Amazon. Yes, the environmental impact of steel cartridges is bad . . . but they're so convenient! I scoffed at them until I started using them, but I would not go with CO2 alone. I always carry a pump. Same here. I use the pump to form the tube and then for backup. The guy reviewing that pump says 3 minutes pumping to 80 psi and 5 minutes to 100 psi. That's not so bad. My hand pump is not that good. Maybe I'll check it out. The problem with the hose models is some of them unscrew the valve when you unscrew the pump. Not sure what that's about. |
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On 7/18/2018 9:00 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
sms writes: I think the most ridiculous statement was that the bicycle paths all have a parking lot at each end. The ones around here sure don't. There are parking lots nearby some of the access points, in corporate locations, shopping areas, parks, and condo or apartment complexes, but these were not added for people to drive to the trail and park. The one I know of that does have parking lots along the way specifically for trail users is Sawyer Camp trail, though the parking lots are not at both ends, the northern end of the trail has no parking lot, though there is street parking close by. Different worlds, I guess. Where to put the parking lots is a major bone of contention for any proposed MUP around here. Nothing freezes the cockles of a New Englander's heart like thinking that someone, somewhere is parking at his expense, or that good for nothing bike-rack toting cars might clog up his business lot to no commercial purpose. One of our favorite rides is to start in Seaside, CA and ride to Carmel. Part of the route is on a very popular MUP, which is mostly used by cyclists except for the part that goes through the Fisherman's Wharf area of Monterey. We do drive there. There is no parking lot for the trail in Seaside, but there is plenty of street parking near most of the access points, and the shopping center not far from the beginning doesn't seem to mind if you park in the more remote sections of the lot. Even the popular Sawyer Camp Trail in San Mateo doesn't really have a parking lot that you drive into, they just carved out some limited street parking on the shoulders of Skyline Boulevard and Crystal Springs Road. It's a very popular area with not nearly enough parking. https://goo.gl/maps/6xn95KHvx6y. |
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Making America into Amsterdam
On 7/18/2018 9:15 AM, jbeattie wrote:
snip I also carry CO2 cartridges and used both the pump and the cartridges last weekend due to a flat-fest with my son. I buy cheap cartridges in bulk from Amazon. Yes, the environmental impact of steel cartridges is bad . . . but they're so convenient! I scoffed at them until I started using them, but I would not go with CO2 alone. I always carry a pump. You are such a weight weenie that you would not even consider a proper CO2 inflation system that doesn't use those environmentally destructive tiny CO2 cartridges. Look at this photo: http://oi64.tinypic.com/4jv09l.jpg. This is what an environmentally conscious cyclist from Oregon would use. Buy the following: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ICOKQMI https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0036ZDVNO https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DNKHYJ4 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0064OI77Y Not only can you inflate a LOT of tires, you can also prepare a refreshing carbonated beverage. One CO2 refill of this tank will last you years. You can be the hero when someone has a flat tire. There are also 5 lb, 10 lb, and 50 lb CO2 tanks available, but I think that you'll find that a 20 lb tank is the best compromise for weight versus volume. |
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