Ok cyclists - is this reasonable behaviour?

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On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:36:32 +0100
"David" wrote:
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Would I be correct in inferring there was an advanced stop line?

There was

Conveniently failed to mention that did we?

Its of no consequence. An advanced stop line is just that , its not a
"block
the traffic once the lights have gone green" line.

He was blocking the traffic no more than any other vehicle. If you knew how
to drive you'd know that you have to pull into the adjacent lane to over
take. Whether it be a Ferrari, a bicycle or a milk float.

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On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:05:13 +0100
Happi Monday wrote:
Slamming on the brakes in front of a cyclist is not realy acceptable
either.

Neither is deliberately obstructing the road, is it?

The tandem is entitled to use the road - just 'coz he's in front,
doesn't make him an obstruction, at least, not in the sense it is being
used.

It does if they can move over to let traffic pass but decide not to when
theres no good reason for them to stay in the middle of the lane (eg
potholes
parked cars). There was none of the above at this junction and we're not
talking a couple of seconds here, they sat in the middle for a good 30
seconds
before deigning to move over. Only oncoming traffic prevented me from
passing them which was probably lucky for them as I wouldn't have given
them much of a wide berth if I had.

Oncoming traffic is a very good reason to take the centre of the lane and to
block traffic from overtaking if the road is too narrow.

Also, when riding through a junction, it is best to take the centre of the
lane to ensure that the traffic cannot overtake until clear of the junction
and the hazards that are with it.

It sounds like Mr Tandem did everything correct but was victim to an angry
driver who was running too late to be courteous :-(

On Mar 29, 2:22*pm, "David" wrote:
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On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:36:32 +0100
"David" wrote:
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Would I be correct in inferring there was an advanced stop line?

There was

Conveniently failed to mention that did we?

Its of no consequence. An advanced stop line is just that , its not a
"block
the traffic once the lights have gone green" line.

He was blocking the traffic no more than any other vehicle. *If you knew how
to drive you'd know that you have to pull into the adjacent lane to over
take. *Whether it be a Ferrari, a bicycle or a milk float.

Most cyclists are slow and quite narrow, so can be safely overtaken if
the road is wide enough and if they keep well over to the nearside.

On the advance stop line issue, when I stop on my bike at red traffic
lights (which I always do, unlike some other cyclists), I either get
ahead of the first vehicle in the queue where I am easily visible, or
hang back a few yards so I can avoid being cut up if the vehicle turns
left, especially if it's a large, long wheelbase, truck.

Derek C

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On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:36:32 +0100
"David" wrote:
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Would I be correct in inferring there was an advanced stop line?

There was

Conveniently failed to mention that did we?

Its of no consequence. An advanced stop line is just that , its not a
"block
the traffic once the lights have gone green" line.

He was blocking the traffic no more than any other vehicle. If you knew
how to drive you'd know that you have to pull into the adjacent lane to
over take. Whether it be a Ferrari, a bicycle or a milk float.

Numpty driver mentality has it that cyclists need to ride close to the edge
"for their own safety". Fast cars are allowed to hog the lane, milk floats
are not.

Derek C wrote:

Most cyclists are slow and quite narrow, so can be safely overtaken if
the road is wide enough and if they keep well over to the nearside.

While this is true, many drivers will not leave the space they ought to if
they can see there is a chance that they can squeeze through. Keeping well
over toward the centre ensures that they will only pass if there really is
enough space and if they do sidewipe, there is somewhere to go. Gutter
riding is not an option if you want to stay alive and well.

On 29 Mar, 11:22, "Mr Benn" wrote:
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On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 10:44:50 +0100
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I was sitting at some lights on the A22 (not exactly a minor road) when
a
couple on a Tandem come past and stop. Not to the side, oh no. They stop
right bang in front of me.

Would I be correct in inferring there was an advanced stop line?

There was and I have no issue with cyclists moving up there. My issue is
with them not moving over when the lights went green. What exactly was he
planning on doing? Staying at the head of the traffic until the next
roundabout? The more they hold people up the more likely they are to get
near misses as held up drivers fly past, so its in a cyclists own
interests not
to deliberately **** off other roads users I would have thought.

I have repeatedly stated this before - it is not a good idea for people
cycling (including me when I'm on my bike) to antagonise, deliberately or
otherwise, other road users. *When I am cycling, I do my best to allow
passage of following traffic past me. *I would be a complete fool to
deliberately obstruct other traffic.

Precisely. Common sense prevails. Cyclists are the most vulnerable on
the road.

McK.

On Mar 29, 1:52*pm, "Brimstone" wrote:


How does that work when the appointment has been brought forward?

Leave earlier based on the new time. If it's a lst minute change and
the the new appt time doesn't allow you to get there on time allowing
for traffic then reject it.

MBQ

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 11:22:45 +0100, "Mr Benn"
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On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 10:44:50 +0100
bugbear wrote:
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I was sitting at some lights on the A22 (not exactly a minor road) when
a
couple on a Tandem come past and stop. Not to the side, oh no. They stop
right bang in front of me.

Would I be correct in inferring there was an advanced stop line?

There was and I have no issue with cyclists moving up there. My issue is
with them not moving over when the lights went green. What exactly was he
planning on doing? Staying at the head of the traffic until the next
roundabout? The more they hold people up the more likely they are to get
near misses as held up drivers fly past, so its in a cyclists own
interests not
to deliberately **** off other roads users I would have thought.

I have repeatedly stated this before - it is not a good idea for people
cycling (including me when I'm on my bike) to antagonise, deliberately or
otherwise, other road users. When I am cycling, I do my best to allow
passage of following traffic past me. I would be a complete fool to
deliberately obstruct other traffic.

That is a good policy, so long as you add the words "consistent with
my own safety" somewhere. It makes no sense to allow or even encourage
traffic to pass if that passing would put oneself in danger. We don't
know the exact circumstances here, but the expressions "*******" and
"hammer on the horn" seem to indicate the description was a tad
one-sided.

On 29/03/2010 11:22, Mr Benn wrote:
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On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 10:44:50 +0100
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I was sitting at some lights on the A22 (not exactly a minor road) when
a
couple on a Tandem come past and stop. Not to the side, oh no. They stop
right bang in front of me.

Would I be correct in inferring there was an advanced stop line?

There was and I have no issue with cyclists moving up there. My issue is
with them not moving over when the lights went green. What exactly was he
planning on doing? Staying at the head of the traffic until the next
roundabout? The more they hold people up the more likely they are to get
near misses as held up drivers fly past, so its in a cyclists own
interests not
to deliberately **** off other roads users I would have thought.

I have repeatedly stated this before - it is not a good idea for people
cycling (including me when I'm on my bike) to antagonise, deliberately or
otherwise, other road users. When I am cycling, I do my best to allow
passage of following traffic past me. I would be a complete fool to
deliberately obstruct other traffic.



Likewise.

Bod

On 29/03/2010 15:00, mileburner wrote:
Derek C wrote:

Most cyclists are slow and quite narrow, so can be safely overtaken if
the road is wide enough and if they keep well over to the nearside.

While this is true, many drivers will not leave the space they ought to if
they can see there is a chance that they can squeeze through. Keeping well
over toward the centre ensures that they will only pass if there really is
enough space and if they do sidewipe, there is somewhere to go. Gutter
riding is not an option if you want to stay alive and well.



Well I've managed it in about 53 years of cycling.

Bod