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When the oil runs out
As so many millitant cyclists seem to hope for, how will they make the
new bicycles when the old ones wear out, and how will they transport them from the factories in the far east to Toys'R'Us in the west. Questions questions.... |
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On 1 Apr, 10:53, ash wrote:
As so many millitant cyclists seem to hope for, how will they make the new bicycles when the old ones wear out, and how will they transport them from the factories in the far east to Toys'R'Us in the west. Questions questions.... Did you mean Halfords? It requires an awful lots of energy to extract aluminium or steel from their ores, so bicycles may not be all that environmentally friendly, even before they are transported half way round the world. Perhaps now that the UK Pound is almost worthless, due to the incompetance of Gordon Brown and the Nu Labour Government, it might be worth manufacturing them again in the UK? Derek C |
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On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 02:53:59 -0700 (PDT), ash
wrote: As so many millitant cyclists seem to hope for, how will they make the new bicycles when the old ones wear out, and how will they transport them from the factories in the far east to Toys'R'Us in the west. Questions questions.... My tourer weighs about 11kg, about 1% of the weight of a small car. The frame, the heaviest bit, was made in Bristol. Let's hope people start manufacturing bikes instead of cars before the oil runs out, it'll go about 100 times as far. Next question? |
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On 1 Apr, 12:58, Peter Grange wrote:
On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 02:53:59 -0700 (PDT), ash wrote: As so many millitant cyclists seem to hope for, how will they make the new bicycles when the old ones wear out, and how will they transport them from the factories in the far east to Toys'R'Us in the west. Questions questions.... My tourer weighs about 11kg, about 1% of the weight of a small car. The frame, the heaviest bit, was made in Bristol. Let's hope people start manufacturing bikes instead of cars before the oil runs out, it'll go about 100 times as far. Next question? According to this website, bicycle manufacture PA is currently running at approx 3 times that of cars http://www.worldometers.info/ I would be interested to see how many bicycles get recycled, and how many go into landfill after sitting in peoples sheds for 5 years. The difference is that a car is such an investment in terms of initial investment and running costs (insurance, tax, mot, etc) that the owners need to justify use all the time. If ownership of a cycle were subject to similar overheads, they would be used a lot more and not left to rot in a shed for 5 years before being sent for landfill. As pointed out, your tourer might be ligthweight, but is made from exotic materials which needs some intensive (and carbon unfriendly) processing to get it into the form of a bicycle. |
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On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 06:05:18 -0700 (PDT), ash
wrote: On 1 Apr, 12:58, Peter Grange wrote: On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 02:53:59 -0700 (PDT), ash wrote: As so many millitant cyclists seem to hope for, how will they make the new bicycles when the old ones wear out, and how will they transport them from the factories in the far east to Toys'R'Us in the west. Questions questions.... My tourer weighs about 11kg, about 1% of the weight of a small car. The frame, the heaviest bit, was made in Bristol. Let's hope people start manufacturing bikes instead of cars before the oil runs out, it'll go about 100 times as far. Next question? According to this website, bicycle manufacture PA is currently running at approx 3 times that of cars http://www.worldometers.info/ I would be interested to see how many bicycles get recycled, and how many go into landfill after sitting in peoples sheds for 5 years. The difference is that a car is such an investment in terms of initial investment and running costs (insurance, tax, mot, etc) that the owners need to justify use all the time. If ownership of a cycle were subject to similar overheads, they would be used a lot more and not left to rot in a shed for 5 years before being sent for landfill. 11 is a good number for my tourer. It's 11 years old too. It is used frequently, and I have no intention of sending it for landfill yet. 1% of the metal, and running at least as long as, if not longer than, a small car. As for investment, there are cars in a used car lot down the road for sale for less than I paid for my 3 bikes in total. You're posting on the wrong NG for bikes rotting in sheds, mate. As pointed out, your tourer might be ligthweight, but is made from exotic materials which needs some intensive (and carbon unfriendly) processing to get it into the form of a bicycle. Granted, but at the rate of about 1% of a Cleo. |
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On 1 Apr, 15:43, Peter Grange wrote:
On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 06:05:18 -0700 (PDT), ash wrote: On 1 Apr, 12:58, Peter Grange wrote: On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 02:53:59 -0700 (PDT), ash wrote: As so many millitant cyclists seem to hope for, how will they make the new bicycles when the old ones wear out, and how will they transport them from the factories in the far east to Toys'R'Us in the west. Questions questions.... My tourer weighs about 11kg, about 1% of the weight of a small car. The frame, the heaviest bit, was made in Bristol. Let's hope people start manufacturing bikes instead of cars before the oil runs out, it'll go about 100 times as far. Next question? According to this website, bicycle manufacture PA is currently running at approx 3 times that of carshttp://www.worldometers.info/ I would be interested to see how many bicycles get recycled, and how many go into landfill after sitting in peoples sheds for 5 years. The difference is that a car is such an investment in terms of initial investment and running costs (insurance, tax, mot, etc) that the owners need to justify use all the time. If ownership of a cycle were subject to similar overheads, they would be used a lot more and not left to rot in a shed for 5 years before being sent for landfill. 11 is a good number for my tourer. It's 11 years old too. It is used frequently, and I have no intention of sending it for landfill yet. 1% of the metal, and running at least as long as, if not longer than, a small car. As for investment, there are cars in a used car lot down the road for sale for less than I paid for my 3 bikes in total. You're posting on the wrong NG for bikes rotting in sheds, mate. As pointed out, your tourer might be ligthweight, but is made from exotic materials which needs some intensive (and carbon unfriendly) processing to get it into the form of a bicycle. Granted, but at the rate of about 1% of a Cleo.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It also has the disadvantage of only being able to carry one person, so fine as personal transport, very poor in moving anything else. For every hardcore serious cyclist, I could happily show you 20 people who own a bike under the age of 5 years who rarely use it. You are very much in the minority and this will be very unlikely to change. |
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"ash" wrote in message
... It also has the disadvantage of only being able to carry one person, so fine as personal transport, very poor in moving anything else. For every car that has 4 people in it I could happily show you 20 with one person. For every hardcore serious cyclist, I could happily show you 20 people who own a bike under the age of 5 years who rarely use it. You are very much in the minority and this will be very unlikely to change. But they are nearly all recycled/passed on. The few that do turn up down the dump are prety much at the end of their life and even then they don't go to land fill.They are put to the side and recycled again. You try and take one that somebody has left and the workers there won't be too happy about it. |
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On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 08:13:12 -0700 (PDT), ash
wrote: On 1 Apr, 15:43, Peter Grange wrote: On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 06:05:18 -0700 (PDT), ash wrote: On 1 Apr, 12:58, Peter Grange wrote: On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 02:53:59 -0700 (PDT), ash wrote: As so many millitant cyclists seem to hope for, how will they make the new bicycles when the old ones wear out, and how will they transport them from the factories in the far east to Toys'R'Us in the west. Questions questions.... My tourer weighs about 11kg, about 1% of the weight of a small car. The frame, the heaviest bit, was made in Bristol. Let's hope people start manufacturing bikes instead of cars before the oil runs out, it'll go about 100 times as far. Next question? According to this website, bicycle manufacture PA is currently running at approx 3 times that of carshttp://www.worldometers.info/ I would be interested to see how many bicycles get recycled, and how many go into landfill after sitting in peoples sheds for 5 years. The difference is that a car is such an investment in terms of initial investment and running costs (insurance, tax, mot, etc) that the owners need to justify use all the time. If ownership of a cycle were subject to similar overheads, they would be used a lot more and not left to rot in a shed for 5 years before being sent for landfill. 11 is a good number for my tourer. It's 11 years old too. It is used frequently, and I have no intention of sending it for landfill yet. 1% of the metal, and running at least as long as, if not longer than, a small car. As for investment, there are cars in a used car lot down the road for sale for less than I paid for my 3 bikes in total. You're posting on the wrong NG for bikes rotting in sheds, mate. As pointed out, your tourer might be ligthweight, but is made from exotic materials which needs some intensive (and carbon unfriendly) processing to get it into the form of a bicycle. Granted, but at the rate of about 1% of a Cleo.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It also has the disadvantage of only being able to carry one person, so fine as personal transport, very poor in moving anything else. None at all when the oil runs out, which was the title of your original post, so hardly relevant. For every hardcore serious cyclist, I could happily show you 20 people who own a bike under the age of 5 years who rarely use it. You are very much in the minority and this will be very unlikely to change. When the oil runs out I can see quite a few appearing out of sheds. In fact, today's BBC news announcement that fuel will soon be at its highest price ever may fetch a few out of the shed before that. |
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When the oil runs out
On 01/04/2010 10:53, ash wrote:
As so many millitant cyclists seem to hope for, how will they make the new bicycles when the old ones wear out, and how will they transport them from the factories in the far east to Toys'R'Us in the west. Questions questions.... On hydrogen power, probably - but well all be dead by then so WGaF? |
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When the oil runs out
On 1 Apr, 10:53, ash wrote:
As so many millitant cyclists seem to hope for, how will they make the new bicycles when the old ones wear out, and how will they transport them from the factories in the far east to Toys'R'Us in the west. Questions questions.... The answer is the oil will run out slowly, not instantly, so stuff will gradually become more and more expensive which will lead to adaptive behaviour. As it is impossible to accurately predict what behaviour or foretell the future one can only speculate. Electric cars powered by coal fired power stations with carbon capture? Abandonment of cars as a preferred and addictive mode of transport? Removal of the need to travel as much? Etc. -- World Carfree Network http://www.worldcarfree.net/ Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K. |
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