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The Middle East is our backyard
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:22:17 -0600, "Edward Dolan"
wrote: "dgk" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:55:06 -0600, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] Terrorism is part and parcel of a religion, i.e., Islam. It probably does have something to do with our wealth and the wealth of the West in general. It is too bad Islam was not able to create wealth like the Christian nations of the West. Why not visit Saudi Arabia at one extreme and Egypt at the other extreme and see what I mean. The US has now become an Empire. The sooner we start acting like imperialists in good conscience, the better. What we need most is a Rudyard Kipling, not a cry baby like you. Terrorism is what people do when they don't have an army to kill for them. If you're ok with killing people all over the world so that the wealthy can profit and you can have some crumbs, then you are less of a person than I thought you were. Terrorism is what people do when they do not have a clue about what is wrong with them. You bet I'm OK with killing those who would kill us. Too much to write about at one time so I'll just choose this. You missed the whole point. They want to kill us because of things that we've done. If I were an Iraqi boy and my parents died because of what we've done to Iraq, I would certainly try to kill Americans to make up for it. What we've done makes us less safe, not more safe. And it wasn't done for any altruistic reason, it was done for profit. |
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On 12/21/2010 8:13 AM, dgk wrote:
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:22:17 -0600, "Edward wrote: wrote in message ... On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:55:06 -0600, "Edward wrote: [...] Terrorism is part and parcel of a religion, i.e., Islam. It probably does have something to do with our wealth and the wealth of the West in general. It is too bad Islam was not able to create wealth like the Christian nations of the West. Why not visit Saudi Arabia at one extreme and Egypt at the other extreme and see what I mean. The US has now become an Empire. The sooner we start acting like imperialists in good conscience, the better. What we need most is a Rudyard Kipling, not a cry baby like you. Terrorism is what people do when they don't have an army to kill for them. If you're ok with killing people all over the world so that the wealthy can profit and you can have some crumbs, then you are less of a person than I thought you were. Terrorism is what people do when they do not have a clue about what is wrong with them. You bet I'm OK with killing those who would kill us. Too much to write about at one time so I'll just choose this. You missed the whole point. They want to kill us because of things that we've done. If I were an Iraqi boy and my parents died because of what we've done to Iraq, I would certainly try to kill Americans to make up for it. What we've done makes us less safe, not more safe. And it wasn't done for any altruistic reason, it was done for profit. "dgk" - you do know that presenting facts that contradict beliefs is useless? People follow their "religion" (including "American Exceptionalism") based on faith; facts be damned. -- Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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On Tue, 21 Dec 2010 12:03:03 -0600, Tºm Shermªn™ °_°
" wrote: On 12/21/2010 8:13 AM, dgk wrote: On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:22:17 -0600, "Edward wrote: wrote in message ... On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:55:06 -0600, "Edward wrote: [...] Terrorism is part and parcel of a religion, i.e., Islam. It probably does have something to do with our wealth and the wealth of the West in general. It is too bad Islam was not able to create wealth like the Christian nations of the West. Why not visit Saudi Arabia at one extreme and Egypt at the other extreme and see what I mean. The US has now become an Empire. The sooner we start acting like imperialists in good conscience, the better. What we need most is a Rudyard Kipling, not a cry baby like you. Terrorism is what people do when they don't have an army to kill for them. If you're ok with killing people all over the world so that the wealthy can profit and you can have some crumbs, then you are less of a person than I thought you were. Terrorism is what people do when they do not have a clue about what is wrong with them. You bet I'm OK with killing those who would kill us. Too much to write about at one time so I'll just choose this. You missed the whole point. They want to kill us because of things that we've done. If I were an Iraqi boy and my parents died because of what we've done to Iraq, I would certainly try to kill Americans to make up for it. What we've done makes us less safe, not more safe. And it wasn't done for any altruistic reason, it was done for profit. "dgk" - you do know that presenting facts that contradict beliefs is useless? People follow their "religion" (including "American Exceptionalism") based on faith; facts be damned. I know. White Man's Burden. |
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"Tºm Shermªn™ °_°" " wrote in
message ... [...] "dgk" - you do know that presenting facts that contradict beliefs is useless? People follow their "religion" (including "American Exceptionalism") based on faith; facts be damned. Facts never say anything by themselves. They have to be interpreted. That is what I am here for. Hey, better American Exceptionalism than Muslim Exceptionalism! Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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On 12/21/2010 3:37 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
"T�m Sherm�n� " wrote in message ... [...] "dgk" - you do know that presenting facts that contradict beliefs is useless? People follow their "religion" (including "American Exceptionalism") based on faith; facts be damned. Facts never say anything by themselves. They have to be interpreted. That is what I am here for. Hey, better American Exceptionalism than Muslim Exceptionalism! Mr. Ed Dolan proves my point. -- Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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"Tºm ShermªnT °_°" " wrote in message ... On 12/21/2010 3:37 PM, Edward Dolan wrote: "T?m Sherm?n? " wrote in message ... [...] "dgk" - you do know that presenting facts that contradict beliefs is useless? People follow their "religion" (including "American Exceptionalism") based on faith; facts be damned. Facts never say anything by themselves. They have to be interpreted. That is what I am here for. Hey, better American Exceptionalism than Muslim Exceptionalism! Mr. Ed Dolan proves my point. No more than Mr. Tom Sherman proves my point! Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota PS: It amuses me greatly that Tom Sherman would want to duel with someone who has read the complete works of Edward Gibbon and Arnold Toynbee. His view of world history is small, mine is large. Never forget that all librarians are extremely well read. It is a burden that we carry like Sisyphus. |
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"dgk" wrote in message
... On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:22:17 -0600, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] Terrorism is what people do when they do not have a clue about what is wrong with them. You bet I'm OK with killing those who would kill us. Too much to write about at one time so I'll just choose this. You missed the whole point. They want to kill us because of things that we've done. If I were an Iraqi boy and my parents died because of what we've done to Iraq, I would certainly try to kill Americans to make up for it. What we've done makes us less safe, not more safe. And it wasn't done for any altruistic reason, it was done for profit. I categorically reject your entire line of thinking on this issue. The Iraqis were treated worse than cattle under Saddam and his tribal group and they took it for decades without a peep. We Americans must appear like Santa Claus to them. The main thing that is wrong with American foreign policy is our bent for wanting to do good in the world. I would go for just doing what is good for us and everyone else be damned. What I fear is that Iraq may want us to stay in their god forsaken country forever and then clamor to become our 51st State. Liberals like you do not have a clue about how the world works. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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On Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:31:19 -0600, "Edward Dolan"
wrote: "dgk" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:22:17 -0600, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] Terrorism is what people do when they do not have a clue about what is wrong with them. You bet I'm OK with killing those who would kill us. Too much to write about at one time so I'll just choose this. You missed the whole point. They want to kill us because of things that we've done. If I were an Iraqi boy and my parents died because of what we've done to Iraq, I would certainly try to kill Americans to make up for it. What we've done makes us less safe, not more safe. And it wasn't done for any altruistic reason, it was done for profit. I categorically reject your entire line of thinking on this issue. The Iraqis were treated worse than cattle under Saddam and his tribal group and they took it for decades without a peep. We Americans must appear like Santa Claus to them. The main thing that is wrong with American foreign policy is our bent for wanting to do good in the world. I would go for just doing what is good for us and everyone else be damned. What I fear is that Iraq may want us to stay in their god forsaken country forever and then clamor to become our 51st State. Liberals like you do not have a clue about how the world works. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota Of course they suffered under Saddam, that's why we worked with the British to install him in the first place. But it helped our oil companies and that's why we did it. In fact, for all the lying about why we needed to go to war with Iraq, the only real reason was one we didn't use, that we put him in and had the right to take him out. Do you have any cites for believing that the Iraqis think we are Santa Claus or that they want us to stay? Do you actually even believe that? |
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"dgk" wrote in message
... On Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:31:19 -0600, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] I categorically reject your entire line of thinking on this issue. The Iraqis were treated worse than cattle under Saddam and his tribal group and they took it for decades without a peep. We Americans must appear like Santa Claus to them. The main thing that is wrong with American foreign policy is our bent for wanting to do good in the world. I would go for just doing what is good for us and everyone else be damned. What I fear is that Iraq may want us to stay in their god forsaken country forever and then clamor to become our 51st State. Liberals like you do not have a clue about how the world works. Of course they suffered under Saddam, that's why we worked with the British to install him in the first place. But it helped our oil companies and that's why we did it. In fact, for all the lying about why we needed to go to war with Iraq, the only real reason was one we didn't use, that we put him in and had the right to take him out. You obviously are an idiot. Do you have any cites for believing that the Iraqis think we are Santa Claus or that they want us to stay? Do you actually even believe that? In the good old days when a regime was replaced by force of an invasion, all the principals were slaughtered. Instead, we give them vacations in places like Guantanamo. The fact of the matter is that we Americans do not have a clue about how to treat our enemies. Ideally we should just kill them, something that all previous peoples have known how to do. Regards. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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