Upgraded Wheels Benefits

On Sep 28, 1:34*am, Chalo wrote:
DirtRoadie wrote:

Chalo wrote:

I have a flat bed sidecar bike that has toted six adults in the past,
and now sports two sturdy chairs on the load bed. *I have a 2.5' x 6'
cycle trailer that my wife used to carry home our washing machine, and
which I use regularly to carry up to about 400 lbs of groceries,

Those are great creations that I, and I expect most here, would have
no use for. Also please note - few of us have your need for 400 lbs of
groceries.

It adds up quick when you stack up a few 25 pound bags of cat litter
and a pile of 12-packs of sparkling water, bottled beer, 50 pound
sacks of chicken feed, big bags of sugar, five gallon pail of
molasses, etc. *It's easier to take a dozen trips from the (coward's)
car with an armful of groceries than it is to keep a tally of the
total weight.

Since you don't have a use for a real heavy-duty bike, you do have to
employ a (coward's) car to go get your necessities, right? *That would
be a use for such a bike, if you had the gumption to use it that
way.

Most people don't need lots of sugar and molasses, I know, but DIY
works for specialty beverages as well as it does for transportation.

Chalo

Huh, what are you doing, do you keep a dog and bark at the sign of an
intruder?

You have a CO2 generator and you buy fizzy water? Make your gas in a
closed container and pipe it into chilled water with an "aeration
stone" at the bottom. I'm glad to see you are still dutiful in
boiling off that noxious substance and containering it for proper
waste disposal. These by-products of CO2 production are rather nasty
if they fall into the wrong hands of or even are seen under the gaze
of the wrong people. I don't like wrong people.

I'm wondering do you use botanicals in their whole to purify thy still
humours?

DirtRoadie wrote:
Chalo wrote:

Since you don't have a use for a real heavy-duty bike, you do have to
employ a (coward's) car to go get your necessities, right? *That would
be a use for such a bike, if you had the gumption to use it that
way.

It's so nice that you aren't judgmental and condescending like Frank.
Let me know when you want to do a ride in the mountains.

I live in a river valley. I bring my mountain with me, when It serves
my purposes.

Ralph Barone wrote:
Frank wrote:


I know there are people who have fun commuting on performance-oriented
road bikes. That's fine, if that's what they enjoy. However, I doubt
that many of them gain significant time from, say, riding a carbon fiber
Dura-Ace bike with aero wheels, compared to riding, say, a Long Haul
Trucker with fenders, a rack, a handlebar bag and decent road tires. And
groceries? My guess is they always use the car.


Well, yesterday I had a flat tire on my Surly LHT, so I rode the Fuji
Aluminum road bike. I didn't do a detailed analysis, but it appeared to
shave 4-5 minutes off a one hour commute.

That sounds entirely reasonable.

Unfortunately, I prefer riding the Surly (better shifters and bars, more stable).

That's not unfortunate at all! It makes sense to ride the bike you like
best for a certain type of ride, and to realize that different bikes are
optimized for different types of riding.

--
- Frank Krygowski

CHALO,

borrow a camera n photo the cargo bikes for us....in operation/loading.

gracias

Duane wrote:
On 09/27/2012 02:47 AM, James wrote:


Would I prefer to ride something 5 kg heavier? No thanks.

I could actually get to my office in around 10 miles - actually 17k. I
go out of my way to take the longer route and it's still only around 15
miles or so on the way home I try to do a loop to extend it. Heavier
wouldn't interest me either.

And ever since I dropped down to part time work, I'd almost always take
the longer, hillier, more scenic road home from work. I still choose
that route home when I'm down in that neighborhood. My utility bike
does just fine for me, and I always enjoy the ride, even though that
bike is probably over 30 pounds even without the briefcase on the back.

I don't need a very light bike or very modern equipment to enjoy riding.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sep 27, 8:24*pm, Frank Krygowski
wrote:
Ralph Barone wrote:
Frank *wrote:

I know there are people who have fun commuting on performance-oriented
road bikes. *That's fine, if that's what they enjoy. *However, I doubt
that many of them gain significant time from, say, riding a carbon fiber
Dura-Ace bike with aero wheels, compared to riding, say, a Long Haul
Trucker with fenders, a rack, a handlebar bag and decent road tires. And
groceries? *My guess is they always use the car.

Well, yesterday I had a flat tire on my Surly LHT, so I rode the Fuji
Aluminum road bike. I didn't do a detailed analysis, but it appeared to
shave 4-5 minutes off a one hour commute.

That sounds entirely reasonable.

*Unfortunately, I prefer riding the Surly (better shifters and bars, more stable).

That's not unfortunate at all! *It makes sense to ride the bike you like
best for a certain type of ride, and to realize that different bikes are
optimized for different types of riding.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Different types of riding? Different perspectives?
Different bikes and or wheels for different folks?
Whoa! Dude!
Then you agree with the OP?
This could be an RBT breakthrough!
DR

DirtRoadie wrote:
On Sep 27, 8:24 pm, Frank
wrote:
Ralph Barone wrote:
Frank wrote:

I know there are people who have fun commuting on performance-oriented
road bikes. That's fine, if that's what they enjoy. However, I doubt
that many of them gain significant time from, say, riding a carbon fiber
Dura-Ace bike with aero wheels, compared to riding, say, a Long Haul
Trucker with fenders, a rack, a handlebar bag and decent road tires. And
groceries? My guess is they always use the car.

Well, yesterday I had a flat tire on my Surly LHT, so I rode the Fuji
Aluminum road bike. I didn't do a detailed analysis, but it appeared to
shave 4-5 minutes off a one hour commute.

That sounds entirely reasonable.

Unfortunately, I prefer riding the Surly (better shifters and bars, more stable).

That's not unfortunate at all! It makes sense to ride the bike you like
best for a certain type of ride, and to realize that different bikes are
optimized for different types of riding.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Different types of riding? Different perspectives?
Different bikes and or wheels for different folks?
Whoa! Dude!

Figure out a way to sort posts by sender, then review what I've actually
written, vs. what's in your bitter imagination. There is no place I've
ever said everyone should ride the same.

Then you agree with the OP?

In my first response to the OP in this thread, I said "I know there are
people who have fun commuting on performance-oriented road bikes.
That's fine, if that's what they enjoy."

Regarding the amount of benefit from a faster bike, Ralph just confirmed
what I estimated. Deal with it.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sep 27, 9:10*pm, Frank Krygowski
wrote:
DirtRoadie wrote:
On Sep 27, 8:24 pm, Frank
wrote:
Ralph Barone wrote:
Frank * *wrote:

I know there are people who have fun commuting on performance-oriented
road bikes. *That's fine, if that's what they enjoy. *However, I doubt
that many of them gain significant time from, say, riding a carbon fiber
Dura-Ace bike with aero wheels, compared to riding, say, a Long Haul
Trucker with fenders, a rack, a handlebar bag and decent road tires. And
groceries? *My guess is they always use the car.

Well, yesterday I had a flat tire on my Surly LHT, so I rode the Fuji
Aluminum road bike. I didn't do a detailed analysis, but it appeared to
shave 4-5 minutes off a one hour commute.

That sounds entirely reasonable.

* Unfortunately, I prefer riding the Surly (better shifters and bars, more stable).

That's not unfortunate at all! *It makes sense to ride the bike you like
best for a certain type of ride, and to realize that different bikes are
optimized for different types of riding.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Different types of riding? Different perspectives?
Different bikes and or wheels for different folks?
Whoa! Dude!

Figure out a way to sort posts by sender, then review what I've actually
written, vs. what's in your bitter imagination. *There is no place I've
ever said everyone should ride the same.

No ****? Then why do you spend SO much bandwidth trying to rationalize
YOUR perspective?
Never mind, we know. You really have no other way to justify your
existence. Sad.

* Then you agree with the OP?

In my first response to the OP in this thread, I said "I know there are
people who have fun commuting on performance-oriented road bikes.
That's fine, if that's what they enjoy."

Regarding the amount of benefit from a faster bike, Ralph just confirmed
what I estimated. *Deal with it.

--
- Frank Krygowski

And you confirmed that fun (aka "feel") and/or "enjoyment" may be a
factor.
Deal with it.
You are hilarious!
Hey Frank - do you live in one of those backwards communities where
they ban dancing as immoral?
Sounds like you would fit right in! You're probably one of those who
enacted the ordinances!

DR

On Sep 27, 8:34*pm, Frank Krygowski
wrote:
Duane wrote:
On 09/27/2012 02:47 AM, James wrote:

Would I prefer to ride something 5 kg heavier? No thanks.

I could actually get to my office in around 10 miles - actually 17k. I
go out of my way to take the longer route and it's still only around 15
miles or so on the way home I try to do a loop to extend it. Heavier
wouldn't interest me either.

And ever since I dropped down to part time work, I'd almost always take
the longer, hillier, more scenic road home from work. *I still choose
that route home when I'm down in that neighborhood. *My utility bike
does just fine for me, and I always enjoy the ride, even though that
bike is probably over 30 pounds even without the briefcase on the back.

I don't need a very light bike or very modern equipment to enjoy riding.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Hey Frank
More power to ya'! (Sound familiar?)
You're VERY studly!
But tell us what it is you "enjoy" about riding.
And why others should not be able to have a different perspective.
A COMPLETELY different perspective.
..
DR

low weight or lower weight wheels could facilitate chemical conversion from aerobic to anaerobic as both psychological and ease of initial acceraltion from stop 'like' 'wheeeeee here wego !'

for the fitnessed rider...