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Why are SUVs and Christianity similar?
Bill Baka wrote:
My brain is thinking that measuring Joules in terms of power might not be correct. I believe the definition of a Joule is a 1 Farad capacitor charged to 1 volt, but I can't remember if it is a valid way to measure power. It can be defined a number of ways, all of them equivalent, and the most convenient choice among the options typically depends on the application. The bottom line is that it's a measure of energy, like calories or BTUs, and the way that I used it here is the way "work" is often defined in physics classes: the amount of energy required to lift a one netwon weight one meter (or, equivalently, force applied times distance moved). So in my example, 1N of force applied to a mass over a distance of 1600m (one mile) equal 1600J of work. Of course, much more energy than that may be expended in generating that 1N force, but the amount of work done -- the amount of energy used to move the mass -- is just 1600J per mile. |
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"Humans 'very likely' making earth warmer" is wrong
Joe Fischer wrote:
On Sat, Bill Baka wrote: .......... With 9 billion people all competing for space and paving over every thing in sight, You need to get out more, except for a few places like close to Manhattan, Los Angeles, Miami, etc., people often get lost in the woods. The woods are getting harder to find. plus deforestation, There are a lot more trees being planted than cut down, the big deforestation period was the century before coal was available at low cost. I once read that there were woods in the 'now' prairies until settlers came and 'tamed' the land. One book I read was dated 1911 and titled "Man's control of the environment" and it was lamenting the loss of natural primeval patches of forest. An environmental book a hundred years ago. Who would have thought?? Obviously nobody paid attention. As far as deforestation I was talking about the rain forests and other areas that are having a population boom. If a few hundred square miles of rain forest are burned do you think planting a few token trees is going to make a difference? plus the jet travel, something will have to give. Because of a lack of affordable energy, not a lack of space. It was 30 F here this afternoon, and driving past the cement plant, I turned off the climate control in my car to prevent the white dust on the road near the cement plant getting in the car, and when I turned it back on, the air conditioning came on for a minute, the sun was warming the car, but it wasn't noticeable with automatic climate control. That makes me wonder, on a cold morning I set the climate control for 78 F, could that be what they are talking about on TV, I used to set it at 74. I really don't think "Global warming" is the issue as much as "Global smog". People have noticed in wooded areas that where once you could see forever, now there is a permanent haze in the air, ahh, Globally. It will either be starvation, war, or a fast spreading new disease, but something WILL happen. It always has, but the conditions that are a problem today is almost total reliance on the commercial sector for space heating, and in cold country, that can be a big problem at any moment. A least with a big house, when things get really cold and there is no electric, oil, or natural gas, one or two rooms might be enough wood to last the rest of the winter when it will be warm enough to start walking south. :-) Joe Fischer You don't need to tell me. I owned a 3,500 square foot house north of Minneapolis and had 4 different types of heat. Propane, oil, electric and wood burning stoves. I thought that was overkill until it got down to 25 below zero and actually need to use 3 out of 4 to keep the house anywhere near warm. I loved the snow but hated how much I had to spend to keep it warm. Needless to say I moved back to California. I went through about 3 cords of wood per month in addition to the rest. Global what? Not up there. I think that it will be globally wild swings in the weather. As far as we humans are concerned, I think that all the business and vacation travel might spread some really nasty virus world wide. The flu pandemic of 1918 would have killed maybe a billion today since we now have the means to be anywhere on earth within about 12 hours on a plane. Bill Baka |
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Why are SUVs and Christianity similar?
R.H. Allen wrote:
Bill Baka wrote: My brain is thinking that measuring Joules in terms of power might not be correct. I believe the definition of a Joule is a 1 Farad capacitor charged to 1 volt, but I can't remember if it is a valid way to measure power. It can be defined a number of ways, all of them equivalent, and the most convenient choice among the options typically depends on the application. The bottom line is that it's a measure of energy, like calories or BTUs, and the way that I used it here is the way "work" is often defined in physics classes: the amount of energy required to lift a one netwon weight one meter (or, equivalently, force applied times distance moved). So in my example, 1N of force applied to a mass over a distance of 1600m (one mile) equal 1600J of work. Of course, much more energy than that may be expended in generating that 1N force, but the amount of work done -- the amount of energy used to move the mass -- is just 1600J per mile. OK, I buy that. I think in terms of watts and 1 amp at 1 volt is one watt, and one Joule is just how many electrons are needed to charge that one Farad. It is probably time to dust off my old college books and re-memorize all the conversions. Bill Baka |
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"Humans 'very likely' making earth warmer" is wrong
Bill Sornson wrote:
Mark Hickey wrote (of/to Iron Bill "Ernest T" Baka): ... I can only conclude that you're making this stuff up again. Y'know Bill, I'm really starting to worry about any tenuous connection you're still maintaining with reality - it seems to be slipping away with every post. Better go get a big dose of reality somewhere quick before you slip irreversibly into lala land. Having just watched "The Ring II" (it, like, totally sucked dude), I think arguing with Bill Baka is like watching that stupid video tape. You know it will make you nuts, but... Bill "better you than me, Hickster" S. You go into the Republican bin, that much is certain. Bill (Iron Ernest) Baka |
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"Humans 'very likely' making earth warmer" is wrong
Ed Pirrero wrote:
On Feb 9, 2:46 pm, Bill Baka wrote: Like the Bible is supposed to say is "God helps he who helps himself", That's not in the Bible. That's a Calvinist thing - the same Calvinist idea that those that *have* are blessed, and that those who *have not* have some sort of character flaw, or are sinful. Also things not supported by Scripture. Southern Baptists are pretty highly Calvinist. E.P. Oh oh, my secret is out, not religious. I have been hearing that phrase since I was a little kid. Back to my Satanic rituals. Bill Baka I just know that will send someone into a rant. |
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"Humans 'very likely' making earth warmer" is wrong
Bill Baka wrote:
Joe Fischer wrote: On Sat, Bill Baka wrote: .......... With 9 billion people all competing for space and paving over every thing in sight, You need to get out more, except for a few places like close to Manhattan, Los Angeles, Miami, etc., people often get lost in the woods. The woods are getting harder to find. plus deforestation, There are a lot more trees being planted than cut down, the big deforestation period was the century before coal was available at low cost. I once read that there were woods in the 'now' prairies until settlers came and 'tamed' the land. One book I read was dated 1911 and titled "Man's control of the environment" and it was lamenting the loss of natural primeval patches of forest. An environmental book a hundred years ago. Who would have thought?? Anyone who knows anything about history. There is a reason for national parks. Obviously nobody paid attention. Wrong, most obviously with national parks. As far as deforestation I was talking about the rain forests and other areas that are having a population boom. If a few hundred square miles of rain forest are burned do you think planting a few token trees is going to make a difference? There's a hell of a lot more than a few token trees being planted. plus the jet travel, something will have to give. Because of a lack of affordable energy, not a lack of space. It was 30 F here this afternoon, and driving past the cement plant, I turned off the climate control in my car to prevent the white dust on the road near the cement plant getting in the car, and when I turned it back on, the air conditioning came on for a minute, the sun was warming the car, but it wasn't noticeable with automatic climate control. That makes me wonder, on a cold morning I set the climate control for 78 F, could that be what they are talking about on TV, I used to set it at 74. I really don't think "Global warming" is the issue as much as "Global smog". People have noticed in wooded areas that where once you could see forever, now there is a permanent haze in the air, ahh, Globally. That last is a pig ignorant lie. It will either be starvation, war, or a fast spreading new disease, but something WILL happen. It always has, but the conditions that are a problem today is almost total reliance on the commercial sector for space heating, and in cold country, that can be a big problem at any moment. A least with a big house, when things get really cold and there is no electric, oil, or natural gas, one or two rooms might be enough wood to last the rest of the winter when it will be warm enough to start walking south. :-) You don't need to tell me. I owned a 3,500 square foot house north of Minneapolis and had 4 different types of heat. Propane, oil, electric and wood burning stoves. I thought that was overkill until it got down to 25 below zero and actually need to use 3 out of 4 to keep the house anywhere near warm. I loved the snow but hated how much I had to spend to keep it warm. Needless to say I moved back to California. I went through about 3 cords of wood per month in addition to the rest. Global what? Not up there. I think that it will be globally wild swings in the weather. More fool you, not a shred of evidence of anything like that. As far as we humans are concerned, I think that all the business and vacation travel might spread some really nasty virus world wide. Its never happened yet and it aint gunna either. The flu pandemic of 1918 would have killed maybe a billion today since we now have the means to be anywhere on earth within about 12 hours on a plane. Fantasy. And we've had a lot worse than that in the past anyway. Some of those radically changed the way society worked so many ended up dead in western europe. Nothing to do with global warming either. |
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"Humans 'very likely' making earth warmer" is wrong
On Sun, Bill Baka wrote:
Joe Fischer wrote: You need to get out more, except for a few places like close to Manhattan, Los Angeles, Miami, etc., people often get lost in the woods. The woods are getting harder to find. In Los Angeles County, maybe, take a little trip up to Big Bear or something. Nobody is cutting down the woods in the US, in fact, just clearing out the roots of scrub brush takes heavy equipment, try it some time. There are a lot more trees being planted than cut down, the big deforestation period was the century before coal was available at low cost. I once read that there were woods in the 'now' prairies until settlers came and 'tamed' the land. One book I read was dated 1911 and titled "Man's control of the environment" and it was lamenting the loss of natural primeval patches of forest. An environmental book a hundred years ago. Who would have thought?? Obviously nobody paid attention. As far as deforestation I was talking about the rain forests and other areas that are having a population boom. If a few hundred square miles of rain forest are burned do you think planting a few token trees is going to make a difference? Essentially all mature trees east of the Mississippi were cleared for lumber or firewood before coal became available at just the right time to prevent a catastrophe in the northeast US. Didn't you know that trees don't need to be planted, they drop seeds, and grow everywhere they are not wanted. I should have cut down that rotten Box Elder tree before the neighbor tore down the abandoned house next door, it has cost me $600 fighting Box Elder bugs, and $900 cleaning roots out of my sewer and replacing part of it, and I had to do most of the work myself. Because of a lack of affordable energy, not a lack of space. It was 30 F here this afternoon, and driving past the cement plant, I turned off the climate control in my car to prevent the white dust on the road near the cement plant getting in the car, and when I turned it back on, the air conditioning came on for a minute, the sun was warming the car, but it wasn't noticeable with automatic climate control. That makes me wonder, on a cold morning I set the climate control for 78 F, could that be what they are talking about on TV, I used to set it at 74. I really don't think "Global warming" is the issue as much as "Global smog". People have noticed in wooded areas that where once you could see forever, now there is a permanent haze in the air, ahh, Globally. "People" don't know the difference between water vapor haze and smog, climb Mount San Antonio and if you can't see trucks on the freeway going north from San Bernadino, then chances are it is water vapor. You don't need to tell me. I owned a 3,500 square foot house north of Minneapolis and had 4 different types of heat. Propane, oil, electric and wood burning stoves. I thought that was overkill until it got down to 25 below zero and actually need to use 3 out of 4 to keep the house anywhere near warm. I loved the snow but hated how much I had to spend to keep it warm. Needless to say I moved back to California. I went through about 3 cords of wood per month in addition to the rest. Global what? Not up there. I didn't think I would complain about the temperatures this winter, it was mostly a little above normal until two weeks ago, and it has been 15 to 30 degrees F below normal since, with at least 10 more days in a row below normal. I think that it will be globally wild swings in the weather. It will be difficult to tell most years from any past years, it is very rare to have a high temperature record for any date broken any place at all, but much easier to break low temperature records, that is something easy to check if the people who are convinced that anything unusual is going on. As far as we humans are concerned, I think that all the business and vacation travel might spread some really nasty virus world wide. The flu pandemic of 1918 would have killed maybe a billion today since we now have the means to be anywhere on earth within about 12 hours on a plane. Bill Baka A flu virus might be worse than the plagues which were caused by contaminated water. 1918 may have been bad because there were lots of soldiers moving around. But having affordable energy to keep warm and get enough food helps keep people from getting so sick. Joe Fischer |
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Joe Fischer wrote:
On Sun, Bill Baka wrote: Joe Fischer wrote: You need to get out more, except for a few places like close to Manhattan, Los Angeles, Miami, etc., people often get lost in the woods. The woods are getting harder to find. In Los Angeles County, maybe, take a little trip up to Big Bear or something. Remember the boarder who got lost at Mountain High a few years ago? All he had to do was keep heading north and he'd eventually hit the road, but NOOOOOOO! And then there was the woman skier who got lost at Ski Sunrise and sent her 7-year-old daughter back up for help -- there are WalMart parking lots bigger than Sunrise, and it has an orange fence all the way around. Some people can get lost in their own bathtubs. Nobody is cutting down the woods in the US, in fact, just clearing out the roots of scrub brush takes heavy equipment, try it some time. The amount of burned brush they were hauling away the winter after those fires was truly impressive, as were the bare burned hills around the Forest Service station where the road starts to flatten out. "People" don't know the difference between water vapor haze and smog, climb Mount San Antonio and if you can't see trucks on the freeway going north from San Bernadino, then chances are it is water vapor. But the purple-brown haze you see coming down from Big Bear in the afternoon is definitely NOT water vapor. Mt. San Antonio = Baldy, right? -- Cheers, Bev =================================== New sig on order, watch this space. |
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Poverty is almost always a result of bad choices. People choose to not
work in school. People choose to have kids when they know they can't afford them. People choose to drop out of school. People choose to sell drugs to make a fast buck. People choose to screw up their lives why should I be FORCED to pay to "fix" their problems? When I was a kid I attended PS 3 in the Bronx (NYC). In the middle of second grade my parents scraped together enough money to move us to Queens, and a better school district. They evaluated me and were going to place me in the "slow" classes because I was already way behind reading level. My parents talked them into putting me in the regular classes and within a few months I was ahead of reading level and going into the "gifted" classes. My parents attended an open school night and the principal asked them just what was going on in that school in the Bronx that I kid like me was behind reading level. I don't know that they could answer the question. That was over 40 years ago. I suspect my life would be very different if I wasn't lucky enough to get out of PS 3. Your argument that poverty is almost always a result of bad choices is simplistic. It takes a very special person to climb out of a crappy environment. It happens, but lots of good people get stuck. Of course its simplistic it would take a book to explain it in detail. But your story actually supports my point. 1) Your parents could have NOT made the choice to make the effort to improve their lives; 2) they could have just accepted the fact that you were slow and not tried to push you and 3) you could have made the choice to accept the slow label and worked down to that expectation. My bigger point is that most people living in 'poverty' today in the US are there because of things they have done themselves. That poor, high school drop-out, single mother is in that predicament because she chose to have sex before she was out of school and with a man who felt no need to hang around. Look and any 'poor' person and the odds are that the reason they are 'poor' is because they made bad choices. I don't know the answer. We have a system that benefited enormously from having a virgin continent to harvest, yet we have staggering poverty and really awesomely bad schools. They're worse now than my experience so long ago. I don't have all the answers but I do know that what we are doing now is only making things worse. You have a system to "help" them that traps them. It makes them totally dependent on the system. Which makes them totally dependent on the government which make it very easy to make them vote to keep the person in office that keeps giving them money. To me it is worse then the old slavery system. At least then the slaves knew they were slaves and wanted to be free. Providing money for doing nothing doesn't seem to work. Letting people starve or be homeless isn't something I can stand either. I'll just repeat that I don't know the answer. Personally I think we need to go back to the 1930's plans of you work for your money. If you want government money then you will be doing some of the hardest, most disgusting jobs out there. Why are paying government workers to mow the right-of-ways AND paying people to sit around the house watching TV? Put the bums out there with hand tools cutting the weeds. If they don't like then they can find a better job. |
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