Eco terrorist Mike's friend caught.

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 09:36:45 -0800, cc wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 18:39:37 -0800, cc wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:40:11 -0800, cc wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:59:52 -0800, "Bill Sornson"
wrote:

J wrote:
http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories...20207074.shtml

Good Job to the citizen, not police that caught this guy.
The guy needs to have the book thrown at him. Attempted murder included.
Why? Mountain bikers murder horses and wildlife every day, and think
nothing of it.
Mountain bikers murder horses every day? Do you smoke crack?
I know of several that were killed by mountain bikers speeding around
blind turns and forcing them off a cliff.
well, besides the obvious skew here, these events are extremely few and
far between. but you knew that.
Not due to any concern of mountain bikers. They ride recklessly
regardless of who is on the trail.

Mike, this is pretty typical.
Cognitive bias, proof by
example, and proof by
assertion. No wonder you never
published. Looks like the only
thing you learned is how to
string together logical fallacies.

Besides, if you can't see the difference between killing a snake and a
human, you certainly belong in a padded room.
In the case of mountain bikers, what IS the difference, except that
the snake is beneficial, and the mountain biker is just destructive?

you proved my point, you sick ****.
You didn't answer the question.

One is HUMAN, you idiot. Not
to mention the INTENT of the
murderer stringing booby-traps
for them.


You still haven't answered the question: " In the case of mountain
bikers, what IS the difference, except that the snake is beneficial,
and the mountain biker is just destructive?". Admit it: you CAN'T.
Tw
===

Can you read? The snake is not HUMAN.

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:57:59 -0500, "S Curtiss"
wrote:


"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 20:39:02 -0500, "S Curtiss"
wrote:


J wrote:
http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories...20207074.shtml

Good Job to the citizen, not police that caught this guy.

The guy needs to have the book thrown at him. Attempted murder
included.

Why? Mountain bikers murder horses and wildlife every day, and think
nothing of it.

"Murder"...? Murder is premeditated. One story you posted some time back
was
an accident involving equestrians and cyclists meeting on a trail and
was
reported with skewed language
referring to the bicycles as a "strange metal beast". The other openly
refers to the MAJORITY of cyclists as responsible taking into account
the
unjustified categorizing of ALL cyclists.

Both incidents were reported originally as unfortunate and accidents.
Yet
you interject "murder"...?

By riding without regard to the safety of wildlife and other people,
mountain bikers deliberately kill them. That's murder.
Your subjective and inclusive statement "mountain bikers deliberately
kill
them" is simply an extension of your OPINION of off-road cycling and
hardly
carries any meaning concerning the riding habits and conservation goals of
the off-road cycling community.
There is absolutely NO evidence gathered by any research that shows
cyclists
are riding to deliberately kill anything.

Produce EVIDENCE from a scientific source showing all mountain bikers are
on
the trail to deliberately kill anything,

It's IMPOSSIBLE to mountain bike without killing animals & plants,
hence they are murderers: they do it deliberately. They should know
better.

It's IMPOSSIBLE (by your standards) to participate in any activity (on road
or off, in the city or country, even while sitting at your computer) without
killing animals & plants,


hence they are murderers: they do it deliberately. They should know
better.


or by not doing so, acknowledge you
are simply lying and spouting an unfounded opinion generated by your own
hatred of the activity.

And this to justify a terrorist whose actions could have killed and did
cause serious injury to human beings...?

PATHETIC!!!!!!

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:57:59 -0500, "S Curtiss"
wrote:
J wrote:
http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories...20207074.shtml

Good Job to the citizen, not police that caught this guy.

The guy needs to have the book thrown at him. Attempted murder
included.

Why? Mountain bikers murder horses and wildlife every day, and think
nothing of it.

"Murder"...? Murder is premeditated. One story you posted some time back
was
an accident involving equestrians and cyclists meeting on a trail and
was
reported with skewed language
referring to the bicycles as a "strange metal beast". The other openly
refers to the MAJORITY of cyclists as responsible taking into account
the
unjustified categorizing of ALL cyclists.

Both incidents were reported originally as unfortunate and accidents.
Yet
you interject "murder"...?

By riding without regard to the safety of wildlife and other people,
mountain bikers deliberately kill them. That's murder.
Your subjective and inclusive statement "mountain bikers deliberately
kill
them" is simply an extension of your OPINION of off-road cycling and
hardly
carries any meaning concerning the riding habits and conservation goals of
the off-road cycling community.
There is absolutely NO evidence gathered by any research that shows
cyclists
are riding to deliberately kill anything.

Produce EVIDENCE from a scientific source showing all mountain bikers are
on
the trail to deliberately kill anything,

It's IMPOSSIBLE to mountain bike without killing animals & plants,
hence they are murderers: they do it deliberately. They should know
better.
You provide an OPINION. Provide evidence and PROOF that off-road cyclists
deliberately kill anything. The "deliberate" activity of riding is not the
same thing as the "deliberate" activity of killing. You have yet to provide
anything that proves all off-road cyclists ride in such a way that death is
a by-product of any higher incidence than any other activity. You have only
posted extreme instances highlighting unfortunate accidents or a renegade
minority of the whole of the otherwise respectfull majority.
*Either respond to the total context, or by not doing so, acknowledge that
the context is true.


or by not doing so, acknowledge you
are simply lying and spouting an unfounded opinion generated by your own
hatred of the activity.
No evidence from a scientific source. Only split context to spout your
opinion. Therefore it is taken as fact you can not provide scientific
foundation for your statements.

And this to justify a terrorist whose actions could have killed and did
cause serious injury to human beings...?

PATHETIC!!!!!!

On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 17:56:09 -0800, cc wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 09:36:45 -0800, cc wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 18:39:37 -0800, cc wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:40:11 -0800, cc wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:59:52 -0800, "Bill Sornson"
wrote:

J wrote:
http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories...20207074.shtml

Good Job to the citizen, not police that caught this guy.
The guy needs to have the book thrown at him. Attempted murder included.
Why? Mountain bikers murder horses and wildlife every day, and think
nothing of it.
Mountain bikers murder horses every day? Do you smoke crack?
I know of several that were killed by mountain bikers speeding around
blind turns and forcing them off a cliff.
well, besides the obvious skew here, these events are extremely few and
far between. but you knew that.
Not due to any concern of mountain bikers. They ride recklessly
regardless of who is on the trail.

Mike, this is pretty typical.
Cognitive bias, proof by
example, and proof by
assertion. No wonder you never
published. Looks like the only
thing you learned is how to
string together logical fallacies.

Besides, if you can't see the difference between killing a snake and a
human, you certainly belong in a padded room.
In the case of mountain bikers, what IS the difference, except that
the snake is beneficial, and the mountain biker is just destructive?

you proved my point, you sick ****.
You didn't answer the question.

One is HUMAN, you idiot. Not
to mention the INTENT of the
murderer stringing booby-traps
for them.


You still haven't answered the question: " In the case of mountain
bikers, what IS the difference, except that the snake is beneficial,
and the mountain biker is just destructive?". Admit it: you CAN'T.
Tw
===

Can you read? The snake is not HUMAN.

So what? What's the DIFFERENCE between them? DUH!
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 17:56:09 -0800, cc wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 09:36:45 -0800, cc wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 18:39:37 -0800, cc wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:40:11 -0800, cc wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:59:52 -0800, "Bill Sornson"
wrote:

J wrote:
http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories...20207074.shtml

Good Job to the citizen, not police that caught this guy.
The guy needs to have the book thrown at him. Attempted murder included.
Why? Mountain bikers murder horses and wildlife every day, and think
nothing of it.
Mountain bikers murder horses every day? Do you smoke crack?
I know of several that were killed by mountain bikers speeding around
blind turns and forcing them off a cliff.
well, besides the obvious skew here, these events are extremely few and
far between. but you knew that.
Not due to any concern of mountain bikers. They ride recklessly
regardless of who is on the trail.

Mike, this is pretty typical.
Cognitive bias, proof by
example, and proof by
assertion. No wonder you never
published. Looks like the only
thing you learned is how to
string together logical fallacies.

Besides, if you can't see the difference between killing a snake and a
human, you certainly belong in a padded room.
In the case of mountain bikers, what IS the difference, except that
the snake is beneficial, and the mountain biker is just destructive?

you proved my point, you sick ****.
You didn't answer the question.

One is HUMAN, you idiot. Not
to mention the INTENT of the
murderer stringing booby-traps
for them.

You still haven't answered the question: " In the case of mountain
bikers, what IS the difference, except that the snake is beneficial,
and the mountain biker is just destructive?". Admit it: you CAN'T.
Tw
===
Can you read? The snake is not HUMAN.

So what? What's the DIFFERENCE between them? DUH!

Are you seriously that stupid? They DIFFER in that one is a REPTILE and
one is HUMAN.

On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:45:44 -0800, cc wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 17:56:09 -0800, cc wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 09:36:45 -0800, cc wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 18:39:37 -0800, cc wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:40:11 -0800, cc wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:59:52 -0800, "Bill Sornson"
wrote:

J wrote:
http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories...20207074.shtml

Good Job to the citizen, not police that caught this guy.
The guy needs to have the book thrown at him. Attempted murder included.
Why? Mountain bikers murder horses and wildlife every day, and think
nothing of it.
Mountain bikers murder horses every day? Do you smoke crack?
I know of several that were killed by mountain bikers speeding around
blind turns and forcing them off a cliff.
well, besides the obvious skew here, these events are extremely few and
far between. but you knew that.
Not due to any concern of mountain bikers. They ride recklessly
regardless of who is on the trail.

Mike, this is pretty typical.
Cognitive bias, proof by
example, and proof by
assertion. No wonder you never
published. Looks like the only
thing you learned is how to
string together logical fallacies.

Besides, if you can't see the difference between killing a snake and a
human, you certainly belong in a padded room.
In the case of mountain bikers, what IS the difference, except that
the snake is beneficial, and the mountain biker is just destructive?

you proved my point, you sick ****.
You didn't answer the question.

One is HUMAN, you idiot. Not
to mention the INTENT of the
murderer stringing booby-traps
for them.

You still haven't answered the question: " In the case of mountain
bikers, what IS the difference, except that the snake is beneficial,
and the mountain biker is just destructive?". Admit it: you CAN'T.
Tw
===
Can you read? The snake is not HUMAN.

So what? What's the DIFFERENCE between them? DUH!

Are you seriously that stupid? They DIFFER in that one is a REPTILE and
one is HUMAN.

That is a category, not a difference.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:45:44 -0800, cc wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 17:56:09 -0800, cc wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 09:36:45 -0800, cc wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 18:39:37 -0800, cc wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:40:11 -0800, cc wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:59:52 -0800, "Bill Sornson"
wrote:

J wrote:
http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories...20207074.shtml

Good Job to the citizen, not police that caught this guy.
The guy needs to have the book thrown at him. Attempted murder included.
Why? Mountain bikers murder horses and wildlife every day, and think
nothing of it.
Mountain bikers murder horses every day? Do you smoke crack?
I know of several that were killed by mountain bikers speeding around
blind turns and forcing them off a cliff.
well, besides the obvious skew here, these events are extremely few and
far between. but you knew that.
Not due to any concern of mountain bikers. They ride recklessly
regardless of who is on the trail.

Mike, this is pretty typical.
Cognitive bias, proof by
example, and proof by
assertion. No wonder you never
published. Looks like the only
thing you learned is how to
string together logical fallacies.

Besides, if you can't see the difference between killing a snake and a
human, you certainly belong in a padded room.
In the case of mountain bikers, what IS the difference, except that
the snake is beneficial, and the mountain biker is just destructive?

you proved my point, you sick ****.
You didn't answer the question.

One is HUMAN, you idiot. Not
to mention the INTENT of the
murderer stringing booby-traps
for them.
You still haven't answered the question: " In the case of mountain
bikers, what IS the difference, except that the snake is beneficial,
and the mountain biker is just destructive?". Admit it: you CAN'T.
Tw
===
Can you read? The snake is not HUMAN.
So what? What's the DIFFERENCE between them? DUH!
Are you seriously that stupid? They DIFFER in that one is a REPTILE and
one is HUMAN.

That is a category, not a difference.

Mike, categorical is one kind of differentiation. Try using a dictionary.

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:45:44 -0800, cc wrote:

You still haven't answered the question: " In the case of mountain
bikers, what IS the difference, except that the snake is beneficial,
and the mountain biker is just destructive?". Admit it: you CAN'T.
There is no question. Any qualities, beneficial or not, that you choose to
imply onto a snake has no reference to any qualities you choose to imply
onto "mountain bikers".
The snake is destructive in as much as it kills and moves. How do you
measure "beneficial"? Beneficial to it's prey? Beneficial to it's
surroundings? Beneficial to humans?
Your statement that the "mountain biker is just destructive" is a statement
made from your opinion of "mountain bikers". The ONLY difference you seem to
care about is that the snake does not ride a bicycle and that simple fact is
obvious and nonsense.
Your attempts to force attention away from the FACTS of the case is also
obvious.
It is FACT this man was purposefully rigging trails in such a way as to
cause injury.
It is FACT this man's activities can be classified as terrorism.
It is FACT he was breaking the law.

Any implications you make towards the activities of cyclists while riding
are a non-issue as off-road cycling is legal and recognized. Your OPINION
has no weight in the matter

===
Can you read? The snake is not HUMAN.

So what? What's the DIFFERENCE between them? DUH!

Are you seriously that stupid? They DIFFER in that one is a REPTILE and
one is HUMAN.

That is a category, not a difference.

Using the Vandeman Dictionary for your definitions again, I see....

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:22:22 GMT, Me wrote:

In article ,
Mike Vandeman wrote:


By riding without regard to the safety of wildlife and other people,
mountain bikers deliberately kill them. That's murder.


No MIkey, that is NOT Murder, it is Manslaughter,

"Manslaughter" to kill a snake? Boy, you sure are confused....

"Murder"...? To kill a snake....? Boy, you sure are confused....
It is the same line of logic, Mikey. You said "murder" when referring to
killing something (that you can't even prove) when the term "murder" refers
to the killing of another person.

On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 18:56:35 -0800, cc wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:45:44 -0800, cc wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 17:56:09 -0800, cc wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 09:36:45 -0800, cc wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 18:39:37 -0800, cc wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:40:11 -0800, cc wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:59:52 -0800, "Bill Sornson"
wrote:

J wrote:
http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories...20207074.shtml

Good Job to the citizen, not police that caught this guy.
The guy needs to have the book thrown at him. Attempted murder included.
Why? Mountain bikers murder horses and wildlife every day, and think
nothing of it.
Mountain bikers murder horses every day? Do you smoke crack?
I know of several that were killed by mountain bikers speeding around
blind turns and forcing them off a cliff.
well, besides the obvious skew here, these events are extremely few and
far between. but you knew that.
Not due to any concern of mountain bikers. They ride recklessly
regardless of who is on the trail.

Mike, this is pretty typical.
Cognitive bias, proof by
example, and proof by
assertion. No wonder you never
published. Looks like the only
thing you learned is how to
string together logical fallacies.

Besides, if you can't see the difference between killing a snake and a
human, you certainly belong in a padded room.
In the case of mountain bikers, what IS the difference, except that
the snake is beneficial, and the mountain biker is just destructive?

you proved my point, you sick ****.
You didn't answer the question.

One is HUMAN, you idiot. Not
to mention the INTENT of the
murderer stringing booby-traps
for them.
You still haven't answered the question: " In the case of mountain
bikers, what IS the difference, except that the snake is beneficial,
and the mountain biker is just destructive?". Admit it: you CAN'T.
Tw
===
Can you read? The snake is not HUMAN.
So what? What's the DIFFERENCE between them? DUH!
Are you seriously that stupid? They DIFFER in that one is a REPTILE and
one is HUMAN.

That is a category, not a difference.

Mike, categorical is one kind of differentiation. Try using a dictionary.

So you admit that you can't or won't answer the question?
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande