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Should Cyclists Pack Guns?
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On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:01:56 -0500, Don Piven wrote: Sez : You do not set national policy for 60,000,000 people or 300,000,000 people based on the aberrant acts of one or two or 10 or 100 lunatics. Better tell that to our Fearless Leader. He's been doing exactly that since 9/11/01. Wrong, moron. If you think 9/11 was 'just a small group of lunatics', YOU are one of the lunatics. It took nineteen people to change national policy on 9/11. That's still way under your arbitrary pulled-out-of-your-ass limit there, even if you count their support organization, who were all sitting on their collective asses when the attacks occurred. These 19 people eventually resulted in the US invading two countries and the US administration wiping their collective ass with the freedoms of its own citizens. Compared to the group of lunatics currently implementing national policy, yeah, al Qaeda is "just a small group". |
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Should Cyclists Pack Guns?
You're not American by any chance?
John Kane, Kingston ON Canada |
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Should Cyclists Pack Guns?
On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 20:53:00 -0500, Don Piven
wrote: Sez : On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:01:56 -0500, Don Piven wrote: Sez : You do not set national policy for 60,000,000 people or 300,000,000 people based on the aberrant acts of one or two or 10 or 100 lunatics. Better tell that to our Fearless Leader. He's been doing exactly that since 9/11/01. Wrong, moron. If you think 9/11 was 'just a small group of lunatics', YOU are one of the lunatics. It took nineteen people to change national policy on 9/11. That's still way under your arbitrary pulled-out-of-your-ass limit there, even if you count their support organization, who were all sitting on their collective asses when the attacks occurred. These 19 people eventually resulted in the US invading two countries and the US administration wiping their collective ass with the freedoms of its own citizens. Plonk, you ****ing moron. Compared to the group of lunatics currently implementing national policy, yeah, al Qaeda is "just a small group". -- Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ |
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we are #1in gun violence
On Apr 19, 7:45 pm, Larry Bud wrote:
"The U.S. is not the only country in which random acts of gun violence have erupted in seemingly everyday circumstances to destroy lives, families and communities," said Britain's Guardian newspaper. "But the U.S. is one of the few countries that seems collectively unwilling and politically incapable of doing anything serious to stop such things happening again."The slayings Monday at Virginia Tech reinforced a perception that in the U.S., it is "as easy to buy weapons as a loaf of bread," in the words of one Russian woman on a Moscow street. "Any madman can get hold of a gun," said Natalya Ivanova, a 22-year-old secretary. The murder rate outside of the inner cities in the US is very close to the murder rate in Britain, and the inner cities are usually the areas with the most constrictive gun laws. And? The England and Wales stats include everyone just as the US stats do. That suggests that even in the UK equivalent of an American inner city one is much safer. Oh and when did the customs searchs start at the borders to the inner cities. |
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On Apr 19, 11:28 pm, wrote:
On 19 Apr 2007 18:51:46 -0700, John Kane wrote: On Apr 19, 7:45 pm, Larry Bud wrote: "The U.S. is not the only country in which random acts of gun violence have erupted in seemingly everyday circumstances to destroy lives, families and communities," said Britain's Guardian newspaper. "But the U.S. is one of the few countries that seems collectively unwilling and politically incapable of doing anything serious to stop such things happening again."The slayings Monday at Virginia Tech reinforced a perception that in the U.S., it is "as easy to buy weapons as a loaf of bread," in the words of one Russian woman on a Moscow street. "Any madman can get hold of a gun," said Natalya Ivanova, a 22-year-old secretary. The murder rate outside of the inner cities in the US is very close to the murder rate in Britain, and the inner cities are usually the areas with the most constrictive gun laws. ^ restrictive ? Good. Quarantine the inner cities , have custom checks and body searches on everyone entering or leaving the inner cities and get back to us. The arguement is idiotic. If I can buy a gun in Virginia or Maryland and take the Metro back to DC. then the law is useless. Predictably, you miss the point. No, you do. Your argument was that inner cities have the most stringent gun law and that that should have deceased crime. The problem with that argument is that there is no control on the import of illegal guns. If you have criminal or otherwise law-abiding citizen who wants a gun there is nothing to stop him from getting one elsewhere and bringing it home. Until you have decent customs control over D.C then expect illegal guns to be imported with impunity. The point is, the vast majority of law-abiding people in this country should not have their rights taken away in some vain attempt to control the behavior of the monkeys in our ghettos. Of course, I am not American and don't see any real rights being violated. I must say, though, I am impressed with your level of vitriol. I By definition, only the criminals in DC have guns. Where / how they got them is not the issue. The issue is that law-abiding peole have been defacto unilaterally disarmed. Thus, the little gang-bangers and other deviants have free reign, knowing that no law-abiding person has the ability to shoot back, which makes them safer targets. Well that is one way to look at it. An alternative viewpoint is that your country has managed to **** up your social system so badly that violence is the only survival mechanism left to a lot of desperate people and the 'haves' are left desparately trying to defend the status quo with armed might. John Kane, Kingston ON Canada Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available onlinehttp://pmilligan.net/palm/ |
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Should Cyclists Pack Guns?
On Apr 20, 2:13 pm, "Pork Torpedo" wrote:
"John Kane" wrote in message oups.com... Certainly would have been. On the other hand do you really want a bunch of 19 year old students, whooping it up in the local univ bars and carrying all sorts of heavy weaponry when the males get into a strutting contest? Hell, you'd probably lose more people on a normal Saturday night. We're talking about LEGALLY posessed firearms. In order to buy a handgun you have to be at least 21. Also being in possesion of a firearm while intoxicated is against the law where I live and probably is everywhere else as well. Sorry, age of majority is 19 not 21 here and do you reallly expect a 19 or 21 year old to say 'Oops I cannot have drink "I'm in possesion of a firearm"'? If you do, please explain drunk drivers. John Kane, Kingston ON Canada |
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On Apr 20, 5:05 pm, (Brent P)
wrote: In article .com, John Kane wrote: Certainly would have been. On the other hand do you really want a bunch of 19 year old students, whooping it up in the local univ bars and carrying all sorts of heavy weaponry when the males get into a strutting contest? Hell, you'd probably lose more people on a normal Saturday night. Even 15 year olds with guns in their HS lockers worked fine for many decades until people became children of the government. I think you are talking about 2 different things. Taking a gun to school because you're going hunting after school is not the same as taking a gun to school just in case you need to shoot someone. I remember taking a.22 rifle to school for a play when I was 15 or 16 . No problem,; we used it as prop in a reading of "The shooting of dangerous Dan McGrew". (blancs) I was not carrying it for some dubious idea of self-protection. Nowadays given the mad paranoia about guns the only ones on school property are likely to be there with no such good excuse. John Kane, Kingston ON Canada |
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On Apr 20, 12:27 pm, wrote:
On Apr 20, 10:59 am, "Thumper" wrote: You guys are rude, inconsiderate and a danger to motorists. Thumper Hilarious! Talk about the bottom of the bell curve... :-) - Frank Krygowski Err, Frank I think you're being too kind in assuming that the poster knows what a 'Bell Curve" is. |
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we are #1in gun violence
On Apr 19, 9:51 pm, John Kane wrote:
On Apr 19, 7:45 pm, Larry Bud wrote: "The U.S. is not the only country in which random acts of gun violence have erupted in seemingly everyday circumstances to destroy lives, families and communities," said Britain's Guardian newspaper. "But the U.S. is one of the few countries that seems collectively unwilling and politically incapable of doing anything serious to stop such things happening again."The slayings Monday at Virginia Tech reinforced a perception that in the U.S., it is "as easy to buy weapons as a loaf of bread," in the words of one Russian woman on a Moscow street. "Any madman can get hold of a gun," said Natalya Ivanova, a 22-year-old secretary. The murder rate outside of the inner cities in the US is very close to the murder rate in Britain, and the inner cities are usually the areas with the most constrictive gun laws. ^ restrictive ? Good. Quarantine the inner cities , have custom checks and body searches on everyone entering or leaving the inner cities and get back to us. The arguement is idiotic. If I can buy a gun in Virginia or Maryland and take the Metro back to DC. then the law is useless. Why isn't the murder rate higher where the gun can be purchased rather than in the area that has the most restrictive gun laws? If you're a bad guy, you're going to get a gun no matter what the laws. The difference is that you're going to commit the most crimes where there's less of a chance of the good guy protecting himself. |
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On Apr 19, 9:51 pm, John Kane wrote:
On Apr 19, 7:45 pm, Larry Bud wrote: "The U.S. is not the only country in which random acts of gun violence have erupted in seemingly everyday circumstances to destroy lives, families and communities," said Britain's Guardian newspaper. "But the U.S. is one of the few countries that seems collectively unwilling and politically incapable of doing anything serious to stop such things happening again."The slayings Monday at Virginia Tech reinforced a perception that in the U.S., it is "as easy to buy weapons as a loaf of bread," in the words of one Russian woman on a Moscow street. "Any madman can get hold of a gun," said Natalya Ivanova, a 22-year-old secretary. The murder rate outside of the inner cities in the US is very close to the murder rate in Britain, and the inner cities are usually the areas with the most constrictive gun laws. ^ restrictive ? Good. Quarantine the inner cities , have custom checks and body searches on everyone entering or leaving the inner cities and get back to us. The arguement is idiotic. If I can buy a gun in Virginia or Maryland and take the Metro back to DC. then the law is useless. Let me just say this as well. I wasn't making any argument, I was stating fact. If you fail to realize that the inner city culture is the cause of the crime and not the availability to guns, then you'll never even start to solve the plague that destroys the families that live there. |
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