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What American Cities are Missing: Bikes by the Thousands
On Mon, 21 May 2007 11:06:53 GMT, george conklin wrote:
In the third world they view the entire industry as exploiting. We should be ashamed of ourselves bringing the pedicab back. It shows how morally bankrupt the New Urbanism is. Do you consider all manual labor morally inferior Pedicabs are not manual labor. That would be news to pedicab drivers, I think. It is considered to be abusive labor. Any kind of labor can be abused, from road building through ship scrapping to MMORPG gold farming. Your point is? Tarhimdugurth -- [S1 - za sygnaturkę] |
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What American Cities are Missing: Bikes by the Thousands
On May 20, 5:55 pm, "george conklin" wrote:
"Anymouse" none wrote in message ... "george conklin" wrote in message news "John Mara" wrote in message . .. george conklin wrote: As Calcutta outlaws pedicabs, they are now fashionable with the New Urbanist crowd. You can take home some stuff on one, if you agree to walk next to it. That ought to please those who want to go back in time. Pedicabs are popular enough in New York that the city council has enacted regulations for them. http://www.newsday.com/search/sns-ap...,2759553.story -- John Mara Yes, just as the third world is getting rid of such exploitation of workers, NYC is starting up with its hazy visions of great the past used to be. "exploitation of workers"? Ridiculous! It's called capitalism and it's not exploitative. I sometimes agree with you but your wrong this time. But the reason I posted is why major cities in the third world are getting rid of pedicabs. That is the reason given there. I think it applies here too. However it may well not be true. It may be that the Western educated elites think that pedicabs are 'third-world' and make the place look shabby AND get in the way of their cars. IIRC a pedicab owner/operator in Dhaka Bangladesh makes quite a bit above the standard labour's wage while apparently providing a very valuable service. Of course this may or may not apply in Calcutta. One also wonders what would replace them in Calcutta? Pesumabley motor taxis are too expensive or otherwise unsuitable or they would have drive the pedicabs out of business. John Kane, Kingston ON Canada John Kane, Kingston ON Canada |
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What American Cities are Missing: Bikes by the Thousands
On May 20, 9:01 pm, wrote:
In article k.net, says... In the third world they view the entire industry as exploiting. We should be ashamed of ourselves bringing the pedicab back. It shows how morally bankrupt the New Urbanism is. Do you consider all manual labor morally inferior, or is there something specific about bicycling that you dislike? I've seen this reaction before. It is okay to have a person (taxi driver) take you around town but is is somehow degrading if he or she has to put any real physical effort into it. However there is nothing wrong with structuring the taxi business that a driver needs to work 12 hour days 6-7 days a week to make living In India, the carpet-weaving industry is also often condemned, in this case for exploiting child labor. That doesn't mean that we should also condemn carpet manufacturing in countries that enforce reasonable labor standards. We all should convert to hardwood flooring John Kane, Kingston ON Canada |
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What American Cities are Missing: Bikes by the Thousands
On May 19, 11:02 am, "george conklin" wrote:
"John Mara" wrote in message ... george conklin wrote: As Calcutta outlaws pedicabs, they are now fashionable with the New Urbanist crowd. You can take home some stuff on one, if you agree to walk next to it. That ought to please those who want to go back in time. Pedicabs are popular enough in New York that the city council has enacted regulations for them. http://www.newsday.com/search/sns-ap...,2759553.story -- John Mara Yes, just as the third world is getting rid of such exploitation of workers, NYC is starting up with its hazy visions of great the past used to be.- You know what you "oil addiction" is forcing the Nigereans into? Untold exploitation and misery. That's why they came up with a Niger Liberation Front, or something to the effect. |
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governments are accountable
On May 19, 11:04 am, "george conklin" wrote:
"donquijote1954" wrote in message oups.com... On May 19, 7:23 am, "george conklin" wrote: Get a trailer. A basic Google search will give you many brands and models. As Calcutta outlaws pedicabs, they are now fashionable with the New Urbanist crowd. You can take home some stuff on one, if you agree to walk next to it. That ought to please those who want to go back in time. Well, you seem to rejoice in going back in time, because as far as me goes SUVs are dinosaurs. Unwilling to evolve, unwilling to listen (due to their pea-sized brain) and causing a lot of trouble, like the war over oil we are currently fighting --and losing. Those of you who worship the past are in for a rude shock when the time arrives when the human animal once again becomes a beast of burden. You are betting that you will be able to hire someone else to do your work for you.- Have you heard about Sweatshops??? That's been happening for the longest time. |
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ROAD TERRORISM
--eco-terrorists are aptly named. Its not that things aren't changing,
they are, albiet slowly, the "eco-terrorist" have been very lucky in that they haven't killed anyone that we know of yet. Destroying new housing, SUV's or burning down ski lodges may not be the same as Osama bin Goathumper planning the destruction of the WTC but if you read some of the blogs these nuts and thier supporters put out there, it is very clear that they don't consider anyone who disagrees with them in the slightest to have any right to be heard. It is literally thier way or the highway. Anything they do to stop those they disagree with is just a-okay. Scaring folks is just alright with them.-- If you use and abuse the term you may have to include some other folks out there, namely ROAD TERRORISM... "Road rage (also road violence, road terrorism) is the common name for deliberately dangerous and/or violent behaviour under the influence of heightened anger, by any motor vehicle operator, affecting the safety of one or more other operators or bystanders." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_rage Oh, by the way, I really feel TERRORIZED while riding my bike. SUV terrorists and cell phone terrorists terrorize me the most. |
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What American Cities are Missing: Bikes by the Thousands
On May 20, 6:36 pm, wrote:
In article .net, says... Yes, just as the third world is getting rid of such exploitation of workers, NYC is starting up with its hazy visions of great the past used to be. Having ridden pedicabs in New Delhi and in Vancouver, B.C., among other cities, I wouldn't compare the two labor environments. If a country doesn't have effective enforcement of worker's rights, and even still has pockets of indentured servitude and slavery, it could be that banning a particular occupation might be the only way to eliminate a particular form of exploitation. I'd have no qualms about "exploiting" a U.S. or Canadian pedicab operator. I think George is all for the Pedicab Liberation Front!? |
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What American Cities are Missing: Bikes by the Thousands
On May 20, 8:42 pm, "george conklin" wrote:
wrote in message .net... In article .net, says... Yes, just as the third world is getting rid of such exploitation of workers, NYC is starting up with its hazy visions of great the past used to be. Having ridden pedicabs in New Delhi and in Vancouver, B.C., among other cities, I wouldn't compare the two labor environments. If a country doesn't have effective enforcement of worker's rights, and even still has pockets of indentured servitude and slavery, it could be that banning a particular occupation might be the only way to eliminate a particular form of exploitation. I'd have no qualms about "exploiting" a U.S. or Canadian pedicab operator. In the third world they view the entire industry as exploiting. We should be ashamed of ourselves bringing the pedicab back. It shows how morally bankrupt the New Urbanism is.- Are you also concerned about the "Made in China" label? I guess we got to drop the dollar store then. By the way, some union representative was in Asia recently trying to organize labor in China. Free unions in a communist country? I believe it when I see it. He said something that makes sense: "If capitals are globalized, why not labor?" |
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What American Cities are Missing: Bikes by the Thousands
On May 21, 7:06 am, "george conklin" wrote:
wrote in message .net... In article k.net, says... In the third world they view the entire industry as exploiting. We should be ashamed of ourselves bringing the pedicab back. It shows how morally bankrupt the New Urbanism is. Do you consider all manual labor morally inferior Pedicabs are not manual labor. It is considered to be abusive labor. For whom, the operator or the horse??? |
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What American Cities are Missing: Bikes by the Thousands
"donquijote1954" wrote in message ups.com... On May 20, 8:42 pm, "george conklin" wrote: wrote in message .net... In article .net, says... Yes, just as the third world is getting rid of such exploitation of workers, NYC is starting up with its hazy visions of great the past used to be. Having ridden pedicabs in New Delhi and in Vancouver, B.C., among other cities, I wouldn't compare the two labor environments. If a country doesn't have effective enforcement of worker's rights, and even still has pockets of indentured servitude and slavery, it could be that banning a particular occupation might be the only way to eliminate a particular form of exploitation. I'd have no qualms about "exploiting" a U.S. or Canadian pedicab operator. In the third world they view the entire industry as exploiting. We should be ashamed of ourselves bringing the pedicab back. It shows how morally bankrupt the New Urbanism is.- Are you also concerned about the "Made in China" label? I guess we got to drop the dollar store then. By the way, some union representative was in Asia recently trying to organize labor in China. Free unions in a communist country? I believe it when I see it. He said something that makes sense: "If capitals are globalized, why not labor?" He loves Wal-Mart's low prices. Of _course_ no one is ever exploited so we can have those low prices ;-). |
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