FINALLY a Bit of Honesty from a Mountain Biker!

Mike Vandeman wrote in
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On 13 Jun 2007 12:10:07 GMT, Chris wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote in
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:05:09 -0700, wrote:

On Jun 7, 7:55 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
Mon, 4 Jun 2007:http://bb.nsmb.com/showthread.php?t=893&page=5:
You need to slow the hell down before you pass people on the
trails. Make it a point, especially if you're sneaking up behind
them. Nobody likes being startled, especially if they're out for a
Sunday walk in the woods. Not only that, but our bikes are
basically 2-wheeled 4x4 trucks. The tires kick up a lot of dust
and it sucks to be a hiker and inhale that ****.

If you don't like being passed by mountain bikes on trails the
simply thing is to stay off of the trails yourself.

Learn to read. I never said that. I don't hike trails where bikes
are allowed. It's no fun.


Mike
So you admit that you hike. Hiking does have an impact on the
habitat, maybe to a lesser degree than mountain biking, but yet an
impact.

Why would you CHOOSE to destroy habitat by hiking???

By your own admission, hiking scares away anaimals near the trail,
your shoes (Im sure you would never wear rough soled boots into a wild
habitat) destroy small plants and animals.

So I ask again,

Mike
Why would you CHOOSE to destroy habitat by hiking?
You should be ashamed of yourself

Chris Foster

Because it's the least-impact way of enjoying nature. DUH!


The least-impact way would to not to venture out into nature at all.
But yet you choose to to insert yourself into nature and help detroy the
very thing you wish to protect. So, I ask you again: Why would you
CHOOSE to destroy habitat by hiking?



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On Jun 16, 10:21 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:

Why would you CHOOSE to destroy habitat by hiking?
You should be ashamed of yourself

Chris Foster

Because it's the least-impact way of enjoying nature. DUH!


How about if you follow same ideals in this newsgroup, enjoy it in the
least impactful way by not posting.

On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 07:56:32 -0700, wrote:

On Jun 16, 10:20 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:27:56 -0700, wrote:
On Jun 12, 10:03 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help?

You're an idiot. What could pure habitat possibly be for a human
except net disadvantageous? You can't even admire it visually.

Seehttp://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/india3. We benefit from, and in
fact can't live without, other species. No surprize that a mountain
biker doesn't know that.

1) I have never mountain biked in my life, you cross post this
nonsense to the four winds.

2) You can't benefit from a species you exclude yourself from all
contact with. It's not a very easy point to miss.

Thanks for demonstrating just how ignorant mountain bikers are. The
xygen you breathe is provided mostly by algae & bacteria in the ocean.
Etc.
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I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

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On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 19:56:13 -0700, wrote:

On Jun 16, 10:21 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:

Why would you CHOOSE to destroy habitat by hiking?
You should be ashamed of yourself

Chris Foster

Because it's the least-impact way of enjoying nature. DUH!


How about if you follow same ideals in this newsgroup, enjoy it in the
least impactful way by not posting.

What are you afraid of?
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I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Jun 25, 11:51 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:

Because it's the least-impact way of enjoying nature. DUH!

How about if you follow same ideals in this newsgroup, enjoy it in the
least impactful way by not posting.

What are you afraid of?

Apparently, a lot less than you are. Oh noz the sky is falling.

http://www.readthehook.com/stories/2...ury-D.rtf.aspx
Kevin Cox says he's also witnessed problems with off-leash dogs. His 8-
year-old son was recently knocked off his bike when a dog ran in front
of him in a leash-required area, and his wife, who is blind, was
nearly knocked to the ground by a dog who ran into her on a leash-
required day.

On Jun 25, 1:27 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 07:56:32 -0700, wrote:
On Jun 16, 10:20 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:27:56 -0700, wrote:
On Jun 12, 10:03 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help?

You're an idiot. What could pure habitat possibly be for a human
except net disadvantageous? You can't even admire it visually.

Seehttp://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/india3. We benefit from, and in
fact can't live without, other species. No surprize that a mountain
biker doesn't know that.

1) I have never mountain biked in my life, you cross post this
nonsense to the four winds.

2) You can't benefit from a species you exclude yourself from all
contact with. It's not a very easy point to miss.

Thanks for demonstrating just how ignorant mountain bikers are. The
xygen you breathe is provided mostly by algae & bacteria in the ocean.
Etc.

1) I still don't mountain bike; you are still cross-posting this to
the four winds.
2) If I breathe their oxygen and they photosynthesize my carbon
dioxide, I haven't excluded myself from contact with them now have I?
You just named the method of contact, in fact.

On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:15:50 -0700, wrote:

On Jun 25, 1:27 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 07:56:32 -0700, wrote:
On Jun 16, 10:20 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:27:56 -0700, wrote:
On Jun 12, 10:03 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help?

You're an idiot. What could pure habitat possibly be for a human
except net disadvantageous? You can't even admire it visually.

Seehttp://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/india3. We benefit from, and in
fact can't live without, other species. No surprize that a mountain
biker doesn't know that.

1) I have never mountain biked in my life, you cross post this
nonsense to the four winds.

2) You can't benefit from a species you exclude yourself from all
contact with. It's not a very easy point to miss.

Thanks for demonstrating just how ignorant mountain bikers are. The
xygen you breathe is provided mostly by algae & bacteria in the ocean.
Etc.

1) I still don't mountain bike; you are still cross-posting this to
the four winds.
2) If I breathe their oxygen and they photosynthesize my carbon
dioxide, I haven't excluded myself from contact with them now have I?
You just named the method of contact, in fact.

So you are in contact with every species in the world? That's not what
"contact" means. Idiot.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Jun 28, 11:45 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:15:50 -0700, wrote:
On Jun 25, 1:27 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 07:56:32 -0700, wrote:
On Jun 16, 10:20 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:27:56 -0700, wrote:
On Jun 12, 10:03 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help?

You're an idiot. What could pure habitat possibly be for a human
except net disadvantageous? You can't even admire it visually.

Seehttp://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/india3. We benefit from, and in
fact can't live without, other species. No surprize that a mountain
biker doesn't know that.

1) I have never mountain biked in my life, you cross post this
nonsense to the four winds.

2) You can't benefit from a species you exclude yourself from all
contact with. It's not a very easy point to miss.

Thanks for demonstrating just how ignorant mountain bikers are. The
xygen you breathe is provided mostly by algae & bacteria in the ocean.
Etc.

1) I still don't mountain bike; you are still cross-posting this to
the four winds.
2) If I breathe their oxygen and they photosynthesize my carbon
dioxide, I haven't excluded myself from contact with them now have I?
You just named the method of contact, in fact.

So you are in contact with every species in the world? That's not what
"contact" means. Idiot.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Contact means among other things:

"Connection or interaction; communication: still in contact with my
former employer.
Visual observation: The pilot made contact with the ship.
Association; relationship: came into contact with new ideas at
college."

So you're wrong there too. Breathing someone else's air is being in
contact with them. QED.

Now you ghoulish, cross-posting fruitcake, what in the hell do
photosynthesizing bacteria have to do with your offlimits habitat? Is
that just a red herring or was it relevant in any way at all? You
want to make a habitat that is a net producer of oxygen? Again I ask:
what benefits are humans supposed to derive from your lunatic idea to
create an environment off limits to humans?

On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 20:58:52 -0700, wrote:

On Jun 28, 11:45 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:15:50 -0700, wrote:
On Jun 25, 1:27 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 07:56:32 -0700, wrote:
On Jun 16, 10:20 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:27:56 -0700, wrote:
On Jun 12, 10:03 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help?

You're an idiot. What could pure habitat possibly be for a human
except net disadvantageous? You can't even admire it visually.

Seehttp://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/india3. We benefit from, and in
fact can't live without, other species. No surprize that a mountain
biker doesn't know that.

1) I have never mountain biked in my life, you cross post this
nonsense to the four winds.

2) You can't benefit from a species you exclude yourself from all
contact with. It's not a very easy point to miss.

Thanks for demonstrating just how ignorant mountain bikers are. The
xygen you breathe is provided mostly by algae & bacteria in the ocean.
Etc.

1) I still don't mountain bike; you are still cross-posting this to
the four winds.
2) If I breathe their oxygen and they photosynthesize my carbon
dioxide, I haven't excluded myself from contact with them now have I?
You just named the method of contact, in fact.

So you are in contact with every species in the world? That's not what
"contact" means. Idiot.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Contact means among other things:

"Connection or interaction; communication: still in contact with my
former employer.
Visual observation: The pilot made contact with the ship.
Association; relationship: came into contact with new ideas at
college."

So you're wrong there too. Breathing someone else's air is being in
contact with them. QED.

Now you ghoulish, cross-posting fruitcake, what in the hell do
photosynthesizing bacteria have to do with your offlimits habitat? Is
that just a red herring or was it relevant in any way at all? You
want to make a habitat that is a net producer of oxygen? Again I ask:
what benefits are humans supposed to derive from your lunatic idea to
create an environment off limits to humans?

Since humans are 100% dependent on other species, we need to protect
them. DUH!
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande