TIME'S UP! Responds to NYC's Actions and Statement by Norman Siegel

"m" writes:

"Bill Z." wrote in message
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"m" writes:

"Jym Dyer" wrote in message
...

Some people who participated in Friday's Critical Mass protest
ride in Manhattan say police confiscated their bicycles without
justification.

So, they should have been a demonstration to block traffic

Police said the were guilty too, and rightfully rounded them up.

The police have FULL RIGHTS to do so. You take the risk, you get
the ****. Deal with it dumb****, go borrow some quarters for the
bus.

The San Francisco police said the same thing when they decided to
crack down on Critical Mass rides some years ago. The city was sued
and lost. When the city refused to pay and appealed, the next judge
up the chain doubled the settlement as a warning to the city to stop
playing games.

And the City did not have to pay anything on that either, but you left that
fact out.

That's not what I heard, but I take it you admit that at least two
judges ruled against the city.


Idiotic - bicycle riders can easily stop and carry the bikes to the
side to let an emergency vehicle through. I'm sure nearly everyone in
a critical mass ride would do that to expedite a fire truck or an
ambulance or a police car responding to some sort of emergency or
crime. And if anyone didn't I'd expect the others to have a word with
the dude.

NYC CM did NOT do that during the convention and blocked in two emergency
vehicles for 15 min, who were responding to life threating critical
injuries, that is why the City is ****ed at CM. CM is a bunch of idiots.

I don't believe that - produce a citation to some credible source.

Nonsense. Permits are typically required for certain parades and
precessions.

Nonsense, a CM ride is intentionally disruptive, with the point to get
arrested.

We've had these rides in San Francisco for 15 years or more, and they
are not particularly disruptive, and (with the exception of one
incident) people are not getting arrested.

If one person was interfering with the legitimate functions of the
police, by all means arrest him, but if he was merely on the road and
the officer didn't have a siren on, then the officer can wait in
traffic like everyone else, just like he would do if following a car.

Says you. Not the Cops.

Officers will wait in traffic like everyone else unless there is some
emergency, in which case they will use a siren or flashing lights.
The police cannot arrest someone for not being able to read an
officer's mind - the officer has to make his or her intention known.

I've yet to see a driver pull of the road to let a police car by
just because the officer might be in a hurry to reach the nearest
donut shop.

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m wrote:
Moron - you are simply refusing to take your own responsibility
for tying up traffic

Motor vehicle drivers cause themselves an average of 730,000
vehicle-hours of delay EVERY DAY. Where's the outrage?

(See http://rightofway.org/littera-scripta/CMTestimony.pdf )

and causing accidents.

I've never heard of an accident caused by CM. That means that
EVERY DAY motor vehicle drivers cause INFINITELY more accidents.
Where's the outrage?

--
Steven O'Neill

"Steven M. O'Neill" wrote in message
...
m wrote:
Moron - you are simply refusing to take your own responsibility
for tying up traffic

Motor vehicle drivers cause themselves an average of 730,000
vehicle-hours of delay EVERY DAY. Where's the outrage?


CM blocks traffic intentionally riding as slow as possable, and a big
"teenage **** you" to you too.


and causing accidents.

I've never heard of an accident caused by CM.

You choose to deny they happen. Which makes you a lier.

That means that
EVERY DAY motor vehicle drivers cause INFINITELY more accidents.

So keep your bicycles out of the street.

Where's the outrage?

CM doesn't "educate" safety, it degrades it.


--
Steven O'Neill

"Jym Dyer" wrote in message
...
=v= Bill, there's no point in arguing with this troll.

you continue to refuse to see my point!

He/she/it is an output device, interested only in spewing..

I have shared my concerns with you, and you spin your answers.

He/she/it has made various lurid claims before, under several
other cowardly anonymous guises, but has never answered a
request to substantiate a single one of them.

Just ask. you dont ask. I have answers and positions

m wrote:

"Jym Dyer" wrote in message
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http://www.ny1.com/ny/TopStories/Sub...entintid=49440

Protest Riders Say Police Seized Bikes Illegally
NY1 | 27-Mar-2005

Some people who participated in Friday's Critical Mass protest
ride in Manhattan say police confiscated their bicycles without
justification.

So, they should have been a demonstration to block traffic

There was no mention from the NYPD about them "blocking traffic".

The riders say that once police threatened them with arrest,
they got off their bikes and began to walk away from the rest of
the group. But they were arrested anyway, they say, and their
bikes were loaded onto a truck and taken away.

Police said the were guilty too, and rightfully rounded them up.

"Police said"....no probable cause?

Other riders say they locked their bikes but that officer cut
the chains with power saws and took them.

The police have FULL RIGHTS to do so.

To sieze property illegally, without cause?

"I watched as my bike lock was cut by a saw by the NYPD," Jaimie
Favaro, a protestor whose bike was confiscated, said at a news
conference Sunday. "I use my bike daily for commuting, and I am
absolutely devastated about the illegal theft of my bicycle by
the NYPD."

You take the risk, you get the ****. Deal with it dumb****, go borrow some
quarters for the bus.

Yes, Comrade.

About 200 riders showed up for Friday's ride, and 37 people were
arrested.

Good, but the Police need to do better, go for at least 50% next time.


Critical Mass organizes large rides through Manhattan on the
last Friday of every month to protest pollution produced by
vehicle traffic.

BULL**** - CM Blocks Traffic, emergancy vehicles it is Bicycles VS CARS
stupid.

Please cite.

The city and the group are involved in a court
battle over whether permits are needed for the rides.

Permits are required, because the rides cause accidents.

Like drunk cops?

http://www.nynewsday.com/mynews/ny-n...81,print.story

Cop faces new charges

Detective indicted on felony assault as well as DWI in Staten Island
crash that injured two women

BY DARYL KHAN
STAFF WRITER

March 29, 2005

A detective praised for his work at Ground Zero was initially charged
with misdemeanor drunken driving and drug possession after an October
crash in which two
women were injured on Staten Island, officials said yesterday.

Five months later, a Staten Island grand jury has indicted Detective
Daniel Massanova, 44, on a long list of charges, including several
felonies and misdemeanor
drug possession and drunken driving, for swerving into oncoming traffic
and slamming into the women's car on Oct. 29, according to court
documents.

Massanova had a blood alcohol level of .11 - way above the legal limit
of .08 - and a bag of drugs, including amphetamines, at the time of
accident, according to court records. He was issued a
desk appearance ticket while he recovered from a broken hip.

Desk appearance tickets are typically issued in minor incidents and
allow a suspect to avoid spending a night in jail.

Jennifer Cornier, 24, and Dawn Alexander, 29, whose car was allegedly
struck by Massanova, are still recovering from what their lawyer called
"life altering injuries."

"It's a horrific tragedy here," said Laurence Tarowsky. "Their injuries
are devastating. They're two young girls whose lives will never be the same."

Part of the delay in upgrading the charges stemmed from Massanova's own
injuries, a police spokesman said.

But once Massanova was released from the hospital, he was not arrested,
instead getting the desk appearance ticket.

When Massanova returned to duty on Dec. 16, he was suspended for 30
days. He is now assigned to desk duty pending the criminal case.

A Staten Island grand jury indicted Massanova Friday on felony charges
of assault, vehicular assault and misdemeanor charges of criminal
possession of a controlled substance and driving
while intoxicated.

Massanova, who could face seven years in jail if convicted of the felony
charges, is scheduled to be arraigned tomorrow.

According to court documents, Massanova, who works in the First Precinct
in TriBeCa, slammed head-on into the car containing Cornier and
Alexander as he tried to pass another vehicle
at Richmond Road and Otis Avenue.

Cornier, who was driving, suffered breaks to her left leg, right foot
and left hand, as well as facial fractures, Tarowsky said. She has
undergone two surgeries for her hand and knee, and still
walks with crutches.

Alexander, mother of a 1 1/2-year-old daughter, underwent three
surgeries to her left hand and wrist.

Massanova was taken to Staten Island University Hospital. There, an
emergency room worker cut open his pant leg and found a bag containing
bottles of Percocet, Xanax and Adderall, an
amphetamine, according to court documents. He did not have a
prescription.



"You know we get together once a month to have this small action
of peace and an alternative lifestyle that gets pretty violently
challenged by the powers of the city," said William Laviano,
whose bike was also seized.

Which it should have as he was blocking a cop car, and screaming at the cop.

Proof that he was?

The NYPD says it confiscated 50 bikes in connection with a law
violation. Police say bikes used in violation of the law will be
taken regardless if any connection to a protest.

Good policy!

Keep maggot brained CM ers away from the rest of us who have to ride in the
streets for a living.

Really? Your alleged "riding for a living" is taken place at the same
time as CM rides?

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soinie wrote:


The NYPD is a group of mindless drones and have become more so as the
dept. is desperate for new recruits- and most of the new recruits are
ex military with a minimum education- they don't have the ability to
discern the difference between the spirit of the law and the letter of
the law. They're not here to serve us, especially the us who don't
own anything in Manhattan; that was made very clear during the
republican convention- they're here to arrest us. They broke the law
then and got away with it and now feel they have carte blanche to
arrest and harass anyone they please. And since cyclists don't
generate any income for the city we've become the new anarchists to
Ray Kelly. The ironic thing is that the mayor billed himself as a
cyclist. Let's hope he won't get re-elected and Kelly will be gone-
I've not been convinced that Kelly isn't anything more now than an
employee of the Federal Government.

The NYPD is full of DRUNKS wo kill and maim inncent people.

http://www.nynewsday.com/mynews/ny-n...81,print.story

--

"This notion that the United States is getting ready
to attack Iran is simply ridiculous. Having said that,
all options are on the table,"
George Bush, Feb 22 2005

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m wrote:

Idiotic - bicycle riders can easily stop and carry the bikes to the
side to let an emergency vehicle through. I'm sure nearly everyone in
a critical mass ride would do that to expedite a fire truck or an
ambulance or a police car responding to some sort of emergency or
crime. And if anyone didn't I'd expect the others to have a word with
the dude.

NYC CM did NOT do that during the convention and blocked in two emergency
vehicles for 15 min, who were responding to life threating critical
injuries, that is why the City is ****ed at CM. CM is a bunch of idiots.

Cite please.

--

"This notion that the United States is getting ready
to attack Iran is simply ridiculous. Having said that,
all options are on the table,"
George Bush, Feb 22 2005

http://www.quantumphilosophy.net/fil...yan_Medium.mov

http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html
http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/weapons.html#wms
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"Bubba got a BJ, BU$H screwed us all!" - Slim

m wrote:

"soinie" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 05:25:11 GMT, (Bill Z.)
wrote:

"m" writes:

"Jym Dyer" wrote in message
...

Some people who participated in Friday's Critical Mass protest
ride in Manhattan say police confiscated their bicycles without

snip

The NYPD is a group of mindless drones and have become more so as the
dept. is desperate for new recruits- and most of the new recruits are
ex military with a minimum education- they don't have the ability to
discern the difference between the spirit of the law and the letter of
the law. They're not here to serve us, especially the us who don't
own anything in Manhattan; that was made very clear during the
republican convention- they're here to arrest us. They broke the law
then and got away with it and now feel they have carte blanche to
arrest and harass anyone they please. And since cyclists don't
generate any income for the city we've become the new anarchists to
Ray Kelly. The ironic thing is that the mayor billed himself as a
cyclist. Let's hope he won't get re-elected and Kelly will be gone-
I've not been convinced that Kelly isn't anything more now than an
employee of the Federal Government.

Moron - you are simply refusing to take your own responsibility for tying up
traffic and causing accidents.
CM = irresponsible "Teenage Victims"

Speaking of irresponsibilty and victims...

Cop faces new charges

Detective indicted on felony assault as well as DWI in Staten Island
crash that injured two women

BY DARYL KHAN
STAFF WRITER

March 29, 2005

A detective praised for his work at Ground Zero was initially charged
with misdemeanor drunken driving and drug possession after an October
crash in which two
women were injured on Staten Island, officials said yesterday.

Five months later, a Staten Island grand jury has indicted Detective
Daniel Massanova, 44, on a long list of charges, including several
felonies and misdemeanor
drug possession and drunken driving, for swerving into oncoming traffic
and slamming into the women's car on Oct. 29, according to court
documents.

Massanova had a blood alcohol level of .11 - way above the legal limit
of .08 - and a bag of drugs, including amphetamines, at the time of
accident, according to court records. He was issued a
desk appearance ticket while he recovered from a broken hip.

Desk appearance tickets are typically issued in minor incidents and
allow a suspect to avoid spending a night in jail.

Jennifer Cornier, 24, and Dawn Alexander, 29, whose car was allegedly
struck by Massanova, are still recovering from what their lawyer called
"life altering injuries."

"It's a horrific tragedy here," said Laurence Tarowsky. "Their injuries
are devastating. They're two young girls whose lives will never be the same."

Part of the delay in upgrading the charges stemmed from Massanova's own
injuries, a police spokesman said.

But once Massanova was released from the hospital, he was not arrested,
instead getting the desk appearance ticket.

When Massanova returned to duty on Dec. 16, he was suspended for 30
days. He is now assigned to desk duty pending the criminal case.

A Staten Island grand jury indicted Massanova Friday on felony charges
of assault, vehicular assault and misdemeanor charges of criminal
possession of a controlled substance and driving
while intoxicated.

Massanova, who could face seven years in jail if convicted of the felony
charges, is scheduled to be arraigned tomorrow.

According to court documents, Massanova, who works in the First Precinct
in TriBeCa, slammed head-on into the car containing Cornier and
Alexander as he tried to pass another vehicle
at Richmond Road and Otis Avenue.

Cornier, who was driving, suffered breaks to her left leg, right foot
and left hand, as well as facial fractures, Tarowsky said. She has
undergone two surgeries for her hand and knee, and still
walks with crutches.

Alexander, mother of a 1 1/2-year-old daughter, underwent three
surgeries to her left hand and wrist.

Massanova was taken to Staten Island University Hospital. There, an
emergency room worker cut open his pant leg and found a bag containing
bottles of Percocet, Xanax and Adderall, an
amphetamine, according to court documents. He did not have a
prescription.


--

"This notion that the United States is getting ready
to attack Iran is simply ridiculous. Having said that,
all options are on the table,"
George Bush, Feb 22 2005

http://www.quantumphilosophy.net/fil...yan_Medium.mov

http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html
http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/weapons.html#wms
WHY IRAQ?: http://www.angelfire.com/creep/gwbush/remindus.html
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"Bubba got a BJ, BU$H screwed us all!" - Slim

"Ken [NY]" wrote:

On 27 Mar 2005 14:10:02 -0800, Jym Dyer claims:

The riders say that once police threatened them with arrest,
they got off their bikes and began to walk away from the rest of
the group. But they were arrested anyway, they say, and their
bikes were loaded onto a truck and taken away.

ALL property belonging to suspects must be taken away and
accounted for. That includes bikes, wallets, cash, jewelry and other
valuables. You would be the first one to complain if your valuables
were missing.

**** you KKKen.

If a cop pockets your cellphone or iPod there isn't anything you can do.

--

"This notion that the United States is getting ready
to attack Iran is simply ridiculous. Having said that,
all options are on the table,"
George Bush, Feb 22 2005

http://www.quantumphilosophy.net/fil...yan_Medium.mov

http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html
http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/weapons.html#wms
WHY IRAQ?: http://www.angelfire.com/creep/gwbush/remindus.html
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.co...ickenhawks.htm

"Bubba got a BJ, BU$H screwed us all!" - Slim

"Steven M. O'Neill" wrote:

m wrote:
Moron - you are simply refusing to take your own responsibility
for tying up traffic

Motor vehicle drivers cause themselves an average of 730,000
vehicle-hours of delay EVERY DAY. Where's the outrage?

(See http://rightofway.org/littera-scripta/CMTestimony.pdf )

and causing accidents.

I've never heard of an accident caused by CM. That means that
EVERY DAY motor vehicle drivers cause INFINITELY more accidents.
Where's the outrage?

Where's the outrage when drunk cops ruin innocent lives?

Cop faces new charges

Detective indicted on felony assault as well as DWI in Staten Island
crash that injured two women

BY DARYL KHAN
STAFF WRITER

March 29, 2005

A detective praised for his work at Ground Zero was initially charged
with misdemeanor drunken driving and drug possession after an October
crash in which two
women were injured on Staten Island, officials said yesterday.

Five months later, a Staten Island grand jury has indicted Detective
Daniel Massanova, 44, on a long list of charges, including several
felonies and misdemeanor
drug possession and drunken driving, for swerving into oncoming traffic
and slamming into the women's car on Oct. 29, according to court
documents.

Massanova had a blood alcohol level of .11 - way above the legal limit
of .08 - and a bag of drugs, including amphetamines, at the time of
accident, according to court records. He was issued a
desk appearance ticket while he recovered from a broken hip.

Desk appearance tickets are typically issued in minor incidents and
allow a suspect to avoid spending a night in jail.

Jennifer Cornier, 24, and Dawn Alexander, 29, whose car was allegedly
struck by Massanova, are still recovering from what their lawyer called
"life altering injuries."

"It's a horrific tragedy here," said Laurence Tarowsky. "Their injuries
are devastating. They're two young girls whose lives will never be the same."

Part of the delay in upgrading the charges stemmed from Massanova's own
injuries, a police spokesman said.

But once Massanova was released from the hospital, he was not arrested,
instead getting the desk appearance ticket.

When Massanova returned to duty on Dec. 16, he was suspended for 30
days. He is now assigned to desk duty pending the criminal case.

A Staten Island grand jury indicted Massanova Friday on felony charges
of assault, vehicular assault and misdemeanor charges of criminal
possession of a controlled substance and driving
while intoxicated.

Massanova, who could face seven years in jail if convicted of the felony
charges, is scheduled to be arraigned tomorrow.

According to court documents, Massanova, who works in the First Precinct
in TriBeCa, slammed head-on into the car containing Cornier and
Alexander as he tried to pass another vehicle
at Richmond Road and Otis Avenue.

Cornier, who was driving, suffered breaks to her left leg, right foot
and left hand, as well as facial fractures, Tarowsky said. She has
undergone two surgeries for her hand and knee, and still
walks with crutches.

Alexander, mother of a 1 1/2-year-old daughter, underwent three
surgeries to her left hand and wrist.

Massanova was taken to Staten Island University Hospital. There, an
emergency room worker cut open his pant leg and found a bag containing
bottles of Percocet, Xanax and Adderall, an
amphetamine, according to court documents. He did not have a
prescription.



--

"This notion that the United States is getting ready
to attack Iran is simply ridiculous. Having said that,
all options are on the table,"
George Bush, Feb 22 2005

http://www.quantumphilosophy.net/fil...yan_Medium.mov

http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html
http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/weapons.html#wms
WHY IRAQ?: http://www.angelfire.com/creep/gwbush/remindus.html
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.co...ickenhawks.htm

"Bubba got a BJ, BU$H screwed us all!" - Slim