NY Times on NYC bicycle deaths

Baruch Spinoza wrote:

Uh, no. The law is quite clear on this.


Actually it isn't.
According to Times Up! less than 20% of the vehicle drivers suffer anything
legal at all.

New York State Traffic Code, Section 4-12 (c): "Getting out of vehicle:
No person shall get out of any vehicle from the side facing on the
traveled part of the street in such a manner as to interfere with the
right of the operator of an approaching vehicle or bicycle."

http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/per...fic_rules.html

I would love to hear from you what his unclear about the law on this
subject.

CC

The Wogster wrote:
In Canada cars and motorcycles are required
to have lights on, during the day. A cyclist could also ride with
lights on, during the day.

This is a great idea. I also think they should be required to ride with
very loud sirens and multicolored propellers on their bikes, and wave
their arms and shout as loud as they can. And if some doofus throws
jumps out in front of them with a length 2x4 anyway, well, they
shouldn't have been in the road in the first place.

CC

wrote:
And if some doofus throws jumps out in front of them with a length 2x4

Whoah.

*Ahem*

"And if some doofus jumps out in front of them with a length of 2x4"

Thank you. Thank you very much.

CC

Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:54:48 -0500,
ws.net,
"Vol Parkic" wrote:


Agree that you are "pretty ****ing stupid" for implying the bicycle rider
cannot avoid the situation, and it is always the car driver that failed to
check.

"11-1105.Opening and closing vehicle doors
No person shall open any door on a motor vehicle unless and until it
is reasonably safe to do so and can be done without interfering with
the movement of other traffic, nor shall any person leave a door open
on a side of a vehicle available to moving traffic for a period of
time longer than necessary to load or unload passengers."

That's one part of the Uniform Vehicle code that is widely adopted by
the civilised world. Check your local statutes.
--
zk

wrote:

The Wogster wrote:

In Canada cars and motorcycles are required
to have lights on, during the day. A cyclist could also ride with
lights on, during the day.


This is a great idea. I also think they should be required to ride with
very loud sirens and multicolored propellers on their bikes, and wave
their arms and shout as loud as they can. And if some doofus throws
jumps out in front of them with a length 2x4 anyway, well, they
shouldn't have been in the road in the first place.


The idea is that you want to be detected, now a bright light, and
audible sound, such as a ringing bicycle bell, will make detection much
easier. Funny thing is, if your out further into the street, so that
you don't get doored, you will be much more likely to be detected, and
less likely to get doored in the first place.

As for someone jumping out with a 2 x 4, assault with a deadly weapon is
illegal in most civilized countries.....

W

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Baruch Spinoza wrote:

Uh, no. The law is quite clear on this.


Actually it isn't.
According to Times Up! less than 20% of the vehicle drivers suffer
anything
legal at all.

New York State Traffic Code, Section 4-12 (c): "Getting out of vehicle:
No person shall get out of any vehicle from the side facing on the
traveled part of the street in such a manner as to interfere with the
right of the operator of an approaching vehicle or bicycle."

http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/per...fic_rules.html

I would love to hear from you what his unclear about the law on this
subject.


When the bicycle is passing too close to the the cars, in the "door zone",
it is not maintaining proper distance from the parked cars.

That is why over 80% of so called "doorings" are really the fault of the
bicycle operator. (also Motocycles)

It is Simple Failure to maintain proper distance.

It is not the right of the approaching bicycle to graze cars in the door
zone, but since you think it is, you will self extinguish.

BaruchSpinoza wrote:
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Baruch Spinoza wrote:

Uh, no. The law is quite clear on this.


Actually it isn't.
According to Times Up! less than 20% of the vehicle drivers suffer
anything legal at all.

New York State Traffic Code, Section 4-12 (c): "Getting out of
vehicle: No person shall get out of any vehicle from the side facing
on the traveled part of the street in such a manner as to interfere
with the right of the operator of an approaching vehicle or bicycle."

http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/per...fic_rules.html

I would love to hear from you what his unclear about the law on this
subject.


When the bicycle is passing too close to the the cars, in the "door
zone", it is not maintaining proper distance from the parked cars.

That is why over 80% of so called "doorings" are really the fault of
the bicycle operator. (also Motocycles)

SOURCE??? It's absurd, AND wrong on its face.

It is Simple Failure to maintain proper distance.

It is not the right of the approaching bicycle to graze cars in the
door zone, but since you think it is, you will self extinguish.

How many times does CC have to tell you (are they ALL you? the names keep
changing) that he doesn't ride in the door zone.

The law clearly puts the onus on the vehicle driver to OPEN HIS OR HER DOOR
CAUTIOUSLY, checking the conveniently placed and appropriately named REAR
SIDE-VIEW MIRROR before doing so.

IS THIS REALLY TOO DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO GRASP?!?

Please learn to read and process information.

Good luck.

BS

The Wogster wrote:
As for someone jumping out with a 2 x 4, assault with a deadly weapon is
illegal in most civilized countries.....

Except when practiced on cyclists, when it is never enforced.

--
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is a real joke. I do not know anyone in the UK who took it to mean
anything other than fixed as in fixed a race, fixed an election, fixed
the intelligence. If you fix something, you make it the way you want it."

Baka Dasai wrote:

In my city (Sydney), virtually all the bike lanes (and there are new
ones being painted every day) are positioned in the door zone. Our road
rules say that cyclists must use the bike lane "unless impracticable".
[...]
Is there a legal issue here, in that councils are building
infrastructure (bike lanes) that are known to be more dangerous than
the alternative of doing nothing?

This is very common in NYC as well, and the law requiring the use of
these deathtrap bike lanes is the same.

CC

wrote:

Baka Dasai wrote:

In my city (Sydney), virtually all the bike lanes (and there are new
ones being painted every day) are positioned in the door zone. Our road
rules say that cyclists must use the bike lane "unless impracticable".
[...]
Is there a legal issue here, in that councils are building
infrastructure (bike lanes) that are known to be more dangerous than
the alternative of doing nothing?

This is very common in NYC as well, and the law requiring the use of
these deathtrap bike lanes is the same.

Yet, in the Phoenix, Arizona east valley, the bike lanes are installed
on roads with no parking, or are for the most part wide enough to
allow parking AND clearance from the door zone. There are exceptions,
but as far as I've noticed, these are on low-traffic side roads.

FWIW...

Mark Hickey
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