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Front Brake LH or RH?
On 24/09/2020 16.47, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 24.09.2020 um 17:33 schrieb Tosspot: On 24/09/2020 15.45, Sepp Ruf wrote: Tosspot wrote: On 23/09/2020 21.17, Sepp Ruf wrote: What nonsense exactly do they need to avoid in Germany? Mandatory lights, hub dynamo, reflectors on wheels and pedals, bell, probably one or two more I can't remember. To legally sell and ship a bike domestically, Rose is not required to mount or include any of the mentioned articles.* (And Stvzo approved battery lights have been completely legal for seven years.) I stand corrected.* I will have a word with my German colleagues and works cycle to work scheme implementors.* And also get rid of all aforementioned rubbish adorning my commuter. Do you understand the difference between "legally sell a bike" and "legally use a bike on the road"? Bikes that are not meant to be used on roads do not need to have equipment that is necessary for legally using the roads.* This is the difference between a trade restriction and a usage restriction. I think so. |
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Front Brake LH or RH?
On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 11:42:38 +0100, Tosspot
wrote: On 24/09/2020 00.36, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 9/23/2020 12:51 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Wed, 23 Sep 2020 08:55:56 -0500, AMuzi wrote: https://cyclingindustry.news/rose-bi...r-brake-rules/ Who needs two levers anyway? https://www.outbraker.com/double-booster/ "DBB is designed for disabled riders who need to control Front/Rear Brakes together with one arm." I think that's far from ideal. Except for the slowest paved road flatland riding, it's very valuable to be able to control the two brakes individually. I'm not sure what that company is doing with a variable reservoir, but their adjustment probably can't be made instantaneously while riding. The best idea was from Oli Sparrow, who seems to have shuffled off the interweb, his idea was a single lever controlling both independently. A picture here; http://www.mtb-amputee.com/images/Oli%20Sparrow02.jpg His website detailed it a lot more. I'm sure there was a market, as people that needed one would pay a lot, but a small market. I looked at the picture. But does one only have a choice between the rear brake or the front brake? -- Cheers, John B. |
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Front Brake LH or RH?
John B. writes:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 11:42:38 +0100, Tosspot wrote: On 24/09/2020 00.36, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 9/23/2020 12:51 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Wed, 23 Sep 2020 08:55:56 -0500, AMuzi wrote: https://cyclingindustry.news/rose-bi...r-brake-rules/ Who needs two levers anyway? https://www.outbraker.com/double-booster/ "DBB is designed for disabled riders who need to control Front/Rear Brakes together with one arm." I think that's far from ideal. Except for the slowest paved road flatland riding, it's very valuable to be able to control the two brakes individually. I'm not sure what that company is doing with a variable reservoir, but their adjustment probably can't be made instantaneously while riding. The best idea was from Oli Sparrow, who seems to have shuffled off the interweb, his idea was a single lever controlling both independently. A picture here; http://www.mtb-amputee.com/images/Oli%20Sparrow02.jpg His website detailed it a lot more. I'm sure there was a market, as people that needed one would pay a lot, but a small market. I looked at the picture. But does one only have a choice between the rear brake or the front brake? You have a middle brake? I don't know, but it looks to me like a person could apply force to both at once. |
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Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/24/2020 10:45 AM, Sepp Ruf wrote: (And Stvzo approved battery lights have been completely legal for seven years.) They're hard to find here in the U.S. Do you have links to common ones over there? The truly "common" ones are 9.99 euro items sold by Aldi etc. Like many low and mid-priced options, they tend to sell by max lux numbers, so the beams tend to be too spotty to be fun. https://weltderangebote.de/aldi-sued...-von-bikemate/ Lezyne has an okay StVZO product range, but their marketing droids decided to put less effort into smooth beams than into filling marketing segments differentiated by pricing, mounts, and weights. Bummies like the Ixon Space (IQ-X optics) and the Ixon Core (Eyc optics) https://www.bike24.com/p2193743.html The Lupine SL-A offers a good beam. https://www.lupine.de/products/bike-...ad-bike-lights For America where there's a thinner supply of used $200 lampheads sold by those "upgrading" to newer models that include Stvzo high-beam options, the Outbound Lighting Road Edition makes more sense, especially in mid-to high glare traffic environments. |
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Front Brake LH or RH?
On 9/24/2020 8:17 PM, Sepp Ruf wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote: On 9/24/2020 10:45 AM, Sepp Ruf wrote: (And Stvzo approved battery lights have been completely legal for seven years.) They're hard to find here in the U.S. Do you have links to common ones over there? The truly "common" ones are 9.99 euro items sold by Aldi etc. Like many low and mid-priced options, they tend to sell by max lux numbers, so the beams tend to be too spotty to be fun. https://weltderangebote.de/aldi-sued...-von-bikemate/ Lezyne has an okay StVZO product range, but their marketing droids decided to put less effort into smooth beams than into filling marketing segments differentiated by pricing, mounts, and weights. Bummies like the Ixon Space (IQ-X optics) and the Ixon Core (Eyc optics) https://www.bike24.com/p2193743.html The Lupine SL-A offers a good beam. https://www.lupine.de/products/bike-...ad-bike-lights For America where there's a thinner supply of used $200 lampheads sold by those "upgrading" to newer models that include Stvzo high-beam options, the Outbound Lighting Road Edition makes more sense, especially in mid-to high glare traffic environments. Thanks for the links. The Lupine looks excellent - but wow, what a price! The prices of many good headlights astonish me. At this point, it seems it should be easy to clone the optics of a top shelf StVZO light and produce a cheap copy. I imagine the electronic designs are well settled, and the rest is little more complicated than a flashlight. I agree, BTW, that StVZO does not guarantee a smooth, non-spotty beam. And a well designed beam makes a huge difference. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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Front Brake LH or RH?
On 24/09/2020 23.38, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 11:42:38 +0100, Tosspot wrote: On 24/09/2020 00.36, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 9/23/2020 12:51 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Wed, 23 Sep 2020 08:55:56 -0500, AMuzi wrote: https://cyclingindustry.news/rose-bi...r-brake-rules/ Who needs two levers anyway? https://www.outbraker.com/double-booster/ "DBB is designed for disabled riders who need to control Front/Rear Brakes together with one arm." I think that's far from ideal. Except for the slowest paved road flatland riding, it's very valuable to be able to control the two brakes individually. I'm not sure what that company is doing with a variable reservoir, but their adjustment probably can't be made instantaneously while riding. The best idea was from Oli Sparrow, who seems to have shuffled off the interweb, his idea was a single lever controlling both independently. A picture here; http://www.mtb-amputee.com/images/Oli%20Sparrow02.jpg His website detailed it a lot more. I'm sure there was a market, as people that needed one would pay a lot, but a small market. I looked at the picture. But does one only have a choice between the rear brake or the front brake? No the axes combine, like a universal joint. There is a piston for each axis so you can balance the braking force front/rear as you wish. It really is quite clever in concept, and simple in implementation. |
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On 25/09/2020 01.17, Sepp Ruf wrote:
snip The Lupine SL-A offers a good beam. https://www.lupine.de/products/bike-...ad-bike-lights For America where there's a thinner supply of used $200 lampheads sold by those "upgrading" to newer models that include Stvzo high-beam options, the Outbound Lighting Road Edition makes more sense, especially in mid-to high glare traffic environments. That SL-AX is a damn good light. I wish I hadn't seen that, but what's nearly 500 euros between friends eh? |
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Stvzo lamps (was: Front Brake LH or RH?)
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/24/2020 8:17 PM, Sepp Ruf wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: On 9/24/2020 10:45 AM, Sepp Ruf wrote: (And Stvzo approved battery lights have been completely legal for seven years.) They're hard to find here in the U.S. Do you have links to common ones over there? The truly "common" ones are 9.99 euro items sold by Aldi etc. Like many low and mid-priced options, they tend to sell by max lux numbers, so the beams tend to be too spotty to be fun. https://weltderangebote.de/aldi-sued...-von-bikemate/ Lezyne has an okay StVZO product range, but their marketing droids decided to put less effort into smooth beams than into filling marketing segments differentiated by pricing, mounts, and weights. Bummies like the Ixon Space (IQ-X optics) and the Ixon Core (Eyc optics) https://www.bike24.com/p2193743.html The Lupine SL-A offers a good beam. https://www.lupine.de/products/bike-...ad-bike-lights For America where there's a thinner supply of used $200 lampheads sold by those "upgrading" to newer models that include Stvzo high-beam options, the Outbound Lighting Road Edition makes more sense, especially in mid-to high glare traffic environments. Thanks for the links. The Lupine looks excellent - but wow, what a price! The prices of many good headlights astonish me. At this point, it seems it should be easy to clone the optics of a top shelf StVZO light and produce a cheap copy. I imagine the electronic designs are well settled, and the rest is little more complicated than a flashlight. Go ahead, it takes serious money to clone optics well. So far, PRC Bicycle Toys Inc. is only investing in superficial copying. https://www.ebay.de/itm/E-bike-24V-36V-48V-60V-72V-LED-Head-Light-Front-Fork-Handlebar-Lamp-Horn-Scooter/392908722032 I agree, BTW, that StVZO does not guarantee a smooth, non-spotty beam. And a well designed beam makes a huge difference. Face it, Frank: The cutoff-beam of a Finland-made, $15 Herrmans Black-MR4 lamp will still be brighter and better balanced to see by (tree branches excluded) than your legacy halogen dynamo lamp. |
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Stvzo lamps
On 9/25/2020 7:44 AM, Sepp Ruf wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote: I agree, BTW, that StVZO does not guarantee a smooth, non-spotty beam. And a well designed beam makes a huge difference. Face it, Frank: The cutoff-beam of a Finland-made, $15 Herrmans Black-MR4 lamp will still be brighter and better balanced to see by (tree branches excluded) than your legacy halogen dynamo lamp. Oh, I don't doubt that. It's been a long time since I used a halogen lamp of any kind. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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Stvzo lamps
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/25/2020 7:44 AM, Sepp Ruf wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: I agree, BTW, that StVZO does not guarantee a smooth, non-spotty beam. And a well designed beam makes a huge difference. Face it, Frank: The cutoff-beam of a Finland-made, $15 Herrmans Black-MR4 lamp will still be brighter and better balanced to see by (tree branches excluded) than your legacy halogen dynamo lamp. Oh, I don't doubt that. It's been a long time since I used a halogen lamp of any kind. Okay, I wrongly remembered something about you refusing to use that Oculus lamp thing in favor of your trusted halogen dynamo light. |
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