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Old April 14th 15, 02:13 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Monday, April 13, 2015 at 5:28:23 PM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/13/2015 2:34 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Sunday, April 12, 2015 at 5:05:12 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/12/2015 7:26 PM, jbeattie wrote:

The legislator is a younger lawyer who works downtown. I hope to be working with him soon on another piece of legislation, so I don't want to confront him about this one. It's not going anywhere, and you have to pick your battles. A well-meaning and more senior legislator proposed an all-ages MHL a few sessions ago, and that got crushed. Every so often, bills are proposed to require licensing and registration for the freeloading bicyclists, and those get crushed, too. The BTA has a lot of clout and generally puts a stopper in most of the retaliatory anti-bike legislation.


Speaking of such things, here's the latest out of California:
http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2015/04/10/...for-bicyclists


Gads, why did the California Bicycle Coalition have to make this statement:

"We're not against helmets. They are mandated in many competitive races, and amateur racers should follow that example. But there are proven ways to make our streets safer while encouraging bicycling -- reducing speed limits on key streets, building protected bike lanes and bike paths, and educating motorists and bicyclists on how to drive or ride safely, to name a few.. A mandatory helmet law is not one of them."

Building protected bike lanes and paths? Groan. More money, and just what we need -- bike chutes. That's where you really do need a helmet. MUPs with mutts.


I agree. And it's further proof that much of what's said about
bicycling is based on the fairy tale meme of the week.


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whoa Frank move to the Ozarks or Oregon Mtns.....talk abt West Side Highway.....

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Old April 14th 15, 02:52 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 17:28:17 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 4/13/2015 2:34 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Sunday, April 12, 2015 at 5:05:12 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/12/2015 7:26 PM, jbeattie wrote:

The legislator is a younger lawyer who works downtown. I hope to be working with him soon on another piece of legislation, so I don't want to confront him about this one. It's not going anywhere, and you have to pick your battles. A well-meaning and more senior legislator proposed an all-ages MHL a few sessions ago, and that got crushed. Every so often, bills are proposed to require licensing and registration for the freeloading bicyclists, and those get crushed, too. The BTA has a lot of clout and generally puts a stopper in most of the retaliatory anti-bike legislation.


Speaking of such things, here's the latest out of California:
http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2015/04/10/...for-bicyclists


Gads, why did the California Bicycle Coalition have to make this statement:

"We're not against helmets. They are mandated in many competitive races, and amateur racers should follow that example. But there are proven ways to make our streets safer while encouraging bicycling -- reducing speed limits on key streets, building protected bike lanes and bike paths, and educating motorists and bicyclists on how to drive or ride safely, to name a few. A mandatory helmet law is not one of them."

Building protected bike lanes and paths? Groan. More money, and just what we need -- bike chutes. That's where you really do need a helmet. MUPs with mutts.


I agree. And it's further proof that much of what's said about
bicycling is based on the fairy tale meme of the week.


One is forced to speculate on how much emphasis would be placed on
improving bicycle facilities if the cost of said facilities were borne
by the cyclists :-)

Perhaps "toll roads" as in the early days of wheeled transportation.
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Old April 15th 15, 05:07 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 4/13/2015 8:52 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:

One is forced to speculate on how much emphasis would be placed on
improving bicycle facilities if the cost of said facilities were borne
by the cyclists :-)

Perhaps "toll roads" as in the early days of wheeled transportation.

Please ignore all the hidden subsidies for motor vehicles.

Move along now, nothing to see here.

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Old April 15th 15, 09:13 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Wed, 08 Apr 2015 11:56:48 -0400, Frank Krygowski
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http://www.volvocarslifepaint.com/


One has to approve of their headline: "The best way to survive a
crash is not to crash."

I have to disapprove of their black rectangle officiously informing me
that my copy of Adobe Flash is vulnerable and should be updated -- my
Flash can't possibly be vulnerable because I don't *have* Flash.

(I went to a lot of trouble to get rid of it, because shrieking,
face-slapping ads were the only things using Flash at the time.
Nowadays you can't even view a JPG without Flash, but when I want to
see a badly-designed page, I can borrow one of my spouse's six
computers.)

I found a page somewhere that says that Life Paint was invented to
spray on dogs in case they escape and play in the road at night --
reflective collars etc. have a long history in pet stores.

I could see spraying this stuff on before every ride, like sunscreen.
I can't see *me* doing it, but there are lots of people who aren't me.

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And I had to dismiss the page, which had been playing on the monitor
at right angles to this one -- that blinking in the corner of my eye
was getting to me. That doesn't count as bad design, because it takes
only a few seconds to read everything on the page and then go
elsewhere -- unless one does one's writing on a different computer.

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Old April 16th 15, 07:49 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 09/04/15 01:56, Frank Krygowski wrote:
http://www.volvocarslifepaint.com/

I can see that it would increase conspicuity, until it wore off. But
I'd be surprised if it lasted very long on fabric.

And I note that most of the images shown are head on or side views of
bicyclists directly in headlight beams. I'm not aware of any data
indicating those views matter much. Head on should matter primarily to
wrong-way riders, and side view only if the cyclist is standing in front
of a car; otherwise, he'll move out of the car's path before the car
arrives. The rear view of the cyclist is what usually matters, and ISTM
that's adequately dealt with by a proper taillight plus a few reflective
bits.

I'm pretty skeptical of a car company selling something bicyclists are
supposed to use to protect themselves against cars and their drivers.
How about educating motorists about their responsibility, and enforcing
the same? Already, Estonia mandates reflectors for pedestrians. France
mandates high visibility clothing for cyclists under certain conditions.
One California legislator is calling not only for all-ages mandatory
helmets, but also for high-vis clothing. It's a bad trend.

Will we soon have "The injured cyclist was not wearing day-glow
clothing, his bike was not sprayed with reflective paint, and he was not
using a high-powered daytime strobe light"?


A better idea (not solution) if people wanted to be more conspicuous, is
to not rely on incident light from the car headlights to reflect back to
the drivers eyes, but to generate light from moving parts of the bike
and rider.

Apply some of this to your shoes, maybe as large dots on your rims,
perhaps the cranks even. If you wear a helmet, it might void the
compliance, so best not apply it there.

https://www.glonation.com/glow-in-th...low-paint.html

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Old April 16th 15, 11:34 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 16:49:36 +1000, James
wrote:

On 09/04/15 01:56, Frank Krygowski wrote:
http://www.volvocarslifepaint.com/

I can see that it would increase conspicuity, until it wore off. But
I'd be surprised if it lasted very long on fabric.

And I note that most of the images shown are head on or side views of
bicyclists directly in headlight beams. I'm not aware of any data
indicating those views matter much. Head on should matter primarily to
wrong-way riders, and side view only if the cyclist is standing in front
of a car; otherwise, he'll move out of the car's path before the car
arrives. The rear view of the cyclist is what usually matters, and ISTM
that's adequately dealt with by a proper taillight plus a few reflective
bits.

I'm pretty skeptical of a car company selling something bicyclists are
supposed to use to protect themselves against cars and their drivers.
How about educating motorists about their responsibility, and enforcing
the same? Already, Estonia mandates reflectors for pedestrians. France
mandates high visibility clothing for cyclists under certain conditions.
One California legislator is calling not only for all-ages mandatory
helmets, but also for high-vis clothing. It's a bad trend.

Will we soon have "The injured cyclist was not wearing day-glow
clothing, his bike was not sprayed with reflective paint, and he was not
using a high-powered daytime strobe light"?


A better idea (not solution) if people wanted to be more conspicuous, is
to not rely on incident light from the car headlights to reflect back to
the drivers eyes, but to generate light from moving parts of the bike
and rider.

Apply some of this to your shoes, maybe as large dots on your rims,
perhaps the cranks even. If you wear a helmet, it might void the
compliance, so best not apply it there.

https://www.glonation.com/glow-in-th...low-paint.html



Try http://revolights.com/products/skyline

They state that these are "The Best Bike Lighting System in the World"
And available at a $30 discount which demonstrates that they have the
cyclist's best interests at heart :-)
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Old April 16th 15, 02:08 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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John B.,,,,yeah a move into reality and price....encapsulating light sources from spin bump wetgrit curbing.

when it blows at 2 weeks yawl be dancing in the streets

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Old April 16th 15, 04:11 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 4/16/2015 6:34 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:


Try http://revolights.com/products/skyline

They state that these are "The Best Bike Lighting System in the World"
And available at a $30 discount which demonstrates that they have the
cyclist's best interests at heart :-)


I'm much more impressed with the sister product:
http://revolights.com/products/siva-cycle-atom

From the ad copy: "The innovative design allows you to capture all of
the energy created by your pedaling and store it in a classy little
power plant that will sit on your back wheel."

Hmm. Well, I usually want _some_ of the energy from my pedaling to go
into propelling the bike. But OTOH:

"The Atom is your ability to have an infinite amount of power."

Holy cow! Infinite power! More power than a supernova! We can forget
about piddling things like solar energy, wind energy. We can forget all
about burning fossil fuels. Someone should buy just one of these, and
solve all the world's energy problems!

But do remember to throttle it back a bit. We really don't want a local
supernova.

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Old April 16th 15, 05:25 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 4/16/2015 10:11 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/16/2015 6:34 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:


Try http://revolights.com/products/skyline

They state that these are "The Best Bike Lighting System
in the World"
And available at a $30 discount which demonstrates that
they have the
cyclist's best interests at heart :-)


I'm much more impressed with the sister product:
http://revolights.com/products/siva-cycle-atom

From the ad copy: "The innovative design allows you to
capture all of the energy created by your pedaling and store
it in a classy little power plant that will sit on your back
wheel."

Hmm. Well, I usually want _some_ of the energy from my
pedaling to go into propelling the bike. But OTOH:

"The Atom is your ability to have an infinite amount of power."

Holy cow! Infinite power! More power than a supernova! We
can forget about piddling things like solar energy, wind
energy. We can forget all about burning fossil fuels.
Someone should buy just one of these, and solve all the
world's energy problems!

But do remember to throttle it back a bit. We really don't
want a local supernova.


Supernovae have advantages I suppose. You'll eventually
reduce to a singularity and be better able to slip between
lanes of traffic.

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