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OH DEER! Good thing the bicyclist was wearing a helmet
On Sun, 04 Sep 2016 12:33:00 +0700, John B.
wrote: On Sat, 3 Sep 2016 16:38:21 -0500, "W. Wesley Groleau" wrote: On 09-03-2016 12:36, Frank Krygowski wrote: Not for me -- I've hit my head bicycling and skiing and working in my attic. I'm going to get an attic helmet. For me, it's happened in my garage. It's happened while helping a friend move; and getting in and out of an unfamiliar vehicle. My grandfather used to complain that OSHA made him wear a hard-hat when painting a ceiling. Probably. And anyone working on a drilling rig floor must wear a plastic helmet.... with 15,000 lbs. of traveling block hanging over their heads :-) Won;t protect against the 15,000 lb block, but MIGHT protect against a dropped nut or bolt or wrench. |
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OH DEER! Good thing the bicyclist was wearing a helmet
On 9/4/2016 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2016 14:19:21 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 04 Sep 2016 12:33:00 +0700, John B. wrote: On Sat, 3 Sep 2016 16:38:21 -0500, "W. Wesley Groleau" wrote: On 09-03-2016 12:36, Frank Krygowski wrote: Not for me -- I've hit my head bicycling and skiing and working in my attic. I'm going to get an attic helmet. For me, it's happened in my garage. It's happened while helping a friend move; and getting in and out of an unfamiliar vehicle. My grandfather used to complain that OSHA made him wear a hard-hat when painting a ceiling. Probably. And anyone working on a drilling rig floor must wear a plastic helmet.... with 15,000 lbs. of traveling block hanging over their heads :-) Won;t protect against the 15,000 lb block, but MIGHT protect against a dropped nut or bolt or wrench. Who is going to drop the nut/bolt/wrench? The only person up above the floor is the Derrickman and he is only up there when "making a trip", i.e. pulling drilling pipe out of, or back into, the hole. I'm not opposed to "safety" but I do believe that some/much of the safety policies are based on false premises. Example: when I was in the Air Force the wearing of glove while using a pedestal grinder was strictly forbidden as, it was thought, that if a glove was caught by a grind wheel that the hand might be pulled into the wheel - I might mention that a 12 - 14 inch grinding wheel will take a thumb off in a blink of an eye. Today, I read recommendations that gloves should be work to "protect the hands". I think a lot of safety requirements come as a result of tragic accidents. A plant safety committee meets to examine the accident, and collectively says "We gotta do something" (to justify the committee's existence). The choice of "something" probably depends on the details of the very last accident. So: Lose a hand by snagging the glove? Committee forbids gloves. Lose a thumb because there's no glove? Committee mandates gloves. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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OH DEER! Good thing the bicyclist was wearing a helmet
On 9/4/2016 9:23 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
I think a lot of safety requirements come as a result of tragic accidents. A plant safety committee meets to examine the accident, and collectively says "We gotta do something" (to justify the committee's existence). The choice of "something" probably depends on the details of the very last accident. So: Lose a hand by snagging the glove? Committee forbids gloves. Lose a thumb because there's no glove? Committee mandates gloves. Following up on my own post: I'm reminded of a bike-related Campus Safety Committee meeting at my university. Some engineering students (not mine) were building a sort of dune buggy for a competition. On a Saturday, they were test riding it around campus. They hit a girl and broke her leg. Of course, she sued the university. (Hey, this is America!) So the Campus Safety Committee met to decide what to do. Their solution to this first-time-ever problem? Ban bicycles from campus! (Please note, the dune buggy that hit the girl was definitely not a bicycle!) We cyclists on the faculty and staff rebelled in a very professional manner. We met on our own, we asked to meet with the Safety Committee, we contacted other universities for information on their policies, etc. etc. We presented all our info to the Committee. And the Committee said "OK, thanks. We're still banning bikes." Then one of my best faculty & cycling friends said "*%#@! I'm calling the university president right now!" And he did; and he called me back about an hour later. He said "Guess who I've been talking to for an hour? President _____! Guess whose parents never owned a car when he was growing up? Guess whose family always took their vacations by bicycle? He says he's going to instruct the Safety Committee to revise their recommendation so it fits the needs of campus cyclists." Which they did. Sometimes the good guys win. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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OH DEER! Good thing the bicyclist was wearing a helmet
On 9/4/2016 2:17 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 4 Sep 2016 00:06:21 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 9/3/2016 10:27 PM, wrote: On Sat, 3 Sep 2016 17:00:36 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, September 3, 2016 at 2:40:55 PM UTC-7, W. Wesley Groleau wrote: On 09-02-2016 22:40, Frank Krygowski wrote: As mentioned: cyclist concussions have risen significantly, NOT dropped, since helmets became fashionable. And cyclist fatalities haven't dropped by as great a percentage as pedestrian fatalities. If the benefits are so great, where is the evidence? I'm not a fan of helmets, but this is not convincing. Might it be that pedestrian fatalities are reduced because there are fewer pedestrians? Or that cyclist concussions increase as there are more cyclists? No, people are engaging in more risk taking behaviors because of helmets and then hitting their heads. I see it all the time -- people strapping on helmets and jumping off their roofs, thinking they won't get hurt. Cyclists jumping out in front of cars . . . "f**** you man, I've got my helmet . . . you can't hurt me!" I find that when I wear my helmet, I go twice as fast downhill -- 80-90mph, with no hands! "I'm king of the world . . . " It's crazy. Helmets are like Heroin. -- Jay Beattie. Only if they are already "on something" or terminal idiots. Many cyclist deaths are due to serious bodily injuries and helmets reduce the "minor" concussion injuries significantly - and ask anyone who has suffered a concussion injury - there is really no such thing as "minor" when it comes to concussions. But, at least according to an article in _Bicycling_ magazine in June 2013, bicyclist concussions have _risen_ over 60% since helmets became popular. Where is the evidence for benefit? http://www.bicycling.com/sites/defau...-13-Helmet.pdf Justb means there are more "idiots" riding bikes, and more Yuppies riding those "brakeless wonders". Also more "wanna-bee" weekend warrior downhill racers etc - and there is nothing in the numbers to definitively relate the more concussions to those riders who actually wear the helmets. I don't think so. The quotes on page 60 of that article, linked above. The concussions increased by 67%. There's certainly not been a 67% increase in idiot cyclists. As far as riders actually wearing helmets, both that percentage and count of cyclist is higher than its ever been. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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OH DEER! Good thing the bicyclist was wearing a helmet
On Sun, 4 Sep 2016 21:23:24 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 9/4/2016 7:51 PM, John B. wrote: On Sun, 04 Sep 2016 14:19:21 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 04 Sep 2016 12:33:00 +0700, John B. wrote: On Sat, 3 Sep 2016 16:38:21 -0500, "W. Wesley Groleau" wrote: On 09-03-2016 12:36, Frank Krygowski wrote: Not for me -- I've hit my head bicycling and skiing and working in my attic. I'm going to get an attic helmet. For me, it's happened in my garage. It's happened while helping a friend move; and getting in and out of an unfamiliar vehicle. My grandfather used to complain that OSHA made him wear a hard-hat when painting a ceiling. Probably. And anyone working on a drilling rig floor must wear a plastic helmet.... with 15,000 lbs. of traveling block hanging over their heads :-) Won;t protect against the 15,000 lb block, but MIGHT protect against a dropped nut or bolt or wrench. Who is going to drop the nut/bolt/wrench? The only person up above the floor is the Derrickman and he is only up there when "making a trip", i.e. pulling drilling pipe out of, or back into, the hole. I'm not opposed to "safety" but I do believe that some/much of the safety policies are based on false premises. Example: when I was in the Air Force the wearing of glove while using a pedestal grinder was strictly forbidden as, it was thought, that if a glove was caught by a grind wheel that the hand might be pulled into the wheel - I might mention that a 12 - 14 inch grinding wheel will take a thumb off in a blink of an eye. Today, I read recommendations that gloves should be work to "protect the hands". I think a lot of safety requirements come as a result of tragic accidents. A plant safety committee meets to examine the accident, and collectively says "We gotta do something" (to justify the committee's existence). The choice of "something" probably depends on the details of the very last accident. So: Lose a hand by snagging the glove? Committee forbids gloves. Lose a thumb because there's no glove? Committee mandates gloves. I have always felt that, at least some, of the safety regulations come about because the safety office needs to be seen to be doing something. In fact, during one safety inspect (the Air Force has them frequently) the inspector not having found anything said "I've got to find something" so I showed him a loose belt guard on a drill press and he wrote that up with the note "discrepancy corrected at time of inspection". -- cheers, John B. |
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