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Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:31:04 +0200, "Volker Hetzer"
wrote:

.
."Just zis Guy, you know?" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ...
. On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 03:38:14 GMT, Mike Vandeman
. wrote in message :
. Irrelevant. ALL natural areas are wildlife habitat, and are STOLEN from
. wildlife.
.Nature doesn't know the concept of "theft". Just the law of the stronger.

Call it whatever you will, it's still thievery.
So, when two animals compete for the same ressource, it's thievery too?


.Right now that's us. If and how we let nature live is because of what we want,
.not what nature has some "right" to.

"Volker Hetzer" wrote in message
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Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:31:04 +0200, "Volker Hetzer"

wrote:

.
."Just zis Guy, you know?" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
. On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 03:38:14 GMT, Mike Vandeman
. wrote in message :
. Irrelevant. ALL natural areas are wildlife habitat, and are STOLEN
from
. wildlife.
.Nature doesn't know the concept of "theft". Just the law of the
stronger.

Call it whatever you will, it's still thievery.
So, when two animals compete for the same ressource, it's thievery too?

ROFL! Bravo!!!

GG



.Right now that's us. If and how we let nature live is because of what
we want,
.not what nature has some "right" to.

GaryG wrote:



ALL natural areas are wildlife habitat, and are STOLEN


from


. wildlife.
.Nature doesn't know the concept of "theft". Just the law of the


stronger.


Call it whatever you will, it's still thievery.


So, when two animals compete for the same ressource, it's thievery too?



ROFL! Bravo!!!




I take it that his new take on the Nature Of Man has it that the fabled
expulsion from the Garden of Eden suddenly placed all of humankind
somehow outside of and apart from Nature?

Pete H

--
A person is free only in
the freedom of other persons.
W. Berry

pmhilton wrote:
GaryG wrote:



ALL natural areas are wildlife habitat, and are STOLEN


from


. wildlife.
.Nature doesn't know the concept of "theft". Just the law of the


stronger.


Call it whatever you will, it's still thievery.


So, when two animals compete for the same ressource, it's thievery too?



ROFL! Bravo!!!




I take it that his new take on the Nature Of Man has it that the fabled
expulsion from the Garden of Eden suddenly placed all of humankind
somehow outside of and apart from Nature?
No, they are part of nature. And as such, we "compete" instead of "steal".
What Mike really wants is for us to start behaving unnaturally and stop
competing. (I agree with that part.) What I do have a problem is
that stupid implication that when we regard ourselves as part of nature
that then everything will be okay. "Natural" was what the aboriginal
settlers of australia did and they *did* compete and won by exterminating
every large (good to eat) species there within 200 years, apart from the
cangaroo.

Lots of Greetings!
Volker

Volker Hetzer wrote:


What Mike really wants is for us to start behaving unnaturally and stop
competing. (I agree with that part.)

Why would you wish us to start behaving "unnaturally"? Competition is
one component of the natural world.

What I do have a problem is
that stupid implication that when we regard ourselves as part of nature
that then everything will be okay.

Was it an implication or was it your inference? There is no defensible
position which regards us as somehow apart from nature. I, for one,
never stated nor tried to imply that "everything would be OK," only that
unless we regard ourselves as an integral part of the natural world we
will never arrive at "OK." And my post which gave rise to your comments
was facetious; offered tongue-in-cheek only.

Pete H

--
A person is free only in
the freedom of other persons.
W. Berry

pmhilton wrote:
Volker Hetzer wrote:


What Mike really wants is for us to start behaving unnaturally and stop
competing. (I agree with that part.)


Why would you wish us to start behaving "unnaturally"? Competition is
one component of the natural world.
So that nature has a chance to survive.
Us behaving "naturally", i.e. fingthing competition with all our might
you can watch when you look at us fighting smallpox, polio or malaria.


What I do have a problem is
that stupid implication that when we regard ourselves as part of nature
that then everything will be okay.


Was it an implication or was it your inference? There is no defensible
position which regards us as somehow apart from nature.
But we should not behave naturally, i.e. as animals. We should behave
completely different from animals, limit our competition for ressources
and limit our strive for safety from natural competitors. Otherwise
we'd turn the world into a big efficient hydroponics farm and the rest
of nature would consist of a bunch of DNA probes frozen in case we'd
need them. This is the logical equivalent of ants milking lice and
fighting everything else. And it's not a future I'd like to see.

I, for one,
never stated nor tried to imply that "everything would be OK," only that
unless we regard ourselves as an integral part of the natural world we
will never arrive at "OK."
I disagree. We should regard ourselves as manager of an expensive
and fragile park.

Greetings!
Volker