I don't understand - what is this for?

Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
RonSonic WHO? wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 18:34:46 -0500, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
wrote:

G.T. aka Greg Thomas who? wrote:
Chalo wrote:
JD wrote:
Ozark Bicycle wrote:
JD wrote:
C'mon out and ride with me sometime. I'll show you just how
inefficient singlespeed bikes are. Your weekday ride sounds
like it's
loaded with punks and poseurs.
JD 225lbs and can still kick your ass
No one talks smack quite like a SS or fixie freak.....
If you think it's unsubstantiated smack, keep kidding yourself.
If you think you wouldn't go a lot faster with some damn gears, you're
kidding yourself.

Having ridden my multi-geared bikes with the freak on his MTB SS and
on his road fixeds I'd say I doubt that he could go any faster
(other than downhill on the fixed).
Have any professional level MTB races been won on fixed or
single-speed bikes? (Actual, not rhetorical, question)

Probably not. I have seen cyclocross races won on a single speed. That
was a
fairly local event (Fla State Championship Series).
I don't know why the emphasis on racing,...

Er, the discussion was about the relative performance of single-speed
and/or fixed gear MTB's verses geared MTB's. Since the goal of racing is
to be the fastest, racing results would appear to provide some
indication of relative performance.

you don't see recumbents winning any
mountain bike races, but some people still think they're somehow fun
or useful[.]

Class, can we say RED HERRING?


hypocrite!

"jim beam" wrote:
Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
RonSonic WHO? wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 18:34:46 -0500, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
wrote:

G.T. aka Greg Thomas who? wrote:
Chalo wrote:
JD wrote:
Ozark Bicycle wrote:
JD wrote:
C'mon out and ride with me sometime. I'll show you just how
inefficient singlespeed bikes are. Your weekday ride sounds
like it's
loaded with punks and poseurs.
JD 225lbs and can still kick your ass
No one talks smack quite like a SS or fixie freak.....
If you think it's unsubstantiated smack, keep kidding yourself.
If you think you wouldn't go a lot faster with some damn gears,
you're
kidding yourself.

Having ridden my multi-geared bikes with the freak on his MTB SS
and on his road fixeds I'd say I doubt that he could go any faster
(other than downhill on the fixed).
Have any professional level MTB races been won on fixed or
single-speed bikes? (Actual, not rhetorical, question)

Probably not. I have seen cyclocross races won on a single speed.
That was a
fairly local event (Fla State Championship Series).
I don't know why the emphasis on racing,...

Er, the discussion was about the relative performance of single-speed
and/or fixed gear MTB's verses geared MTB's. Since the goal of racing
is to be the fastest, racing results would appear to provide some
indication of relative performance.

you don't see recumbents winning any
mountain bike races, but some people still think they're somehow fun
or useful[.]

Class, can we say RED HERRING?


hypocrite!

Anonymous, sniping, capital letter deficient, TROLL!

(Hey, this is fun!)

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On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 17:49:58 -0700, Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman
wrote:

"jim beam" wrote:
Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
RonSonic WHO? wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 18:34:46 -0500, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"

you don't see recumbents winning any
mountain bike races, but some people still think they're somehow fun
or useful[.]

Class, can we say RED HERRING?

hypocrite!

Anonymous, sniping, capital letter deficient, TROLL!

(Hey, this is fun!)


Now you know why we do it, Numb-nuts.
--
Slack - hey, this *is* fun

On Aug 5, 4:21 am, "
wrote:
On Aug 5, 12:33 am, Fred Clydesdale wrote:

personally, i've never gotten the whole single/fixie thing, and
a singlespeed mtb seems beyond useless. i pass at least 5 fixies
a week on the various hills of my weekday ride, never had things
happen the other way around. and i'm a CLYDESDALE, for heaven's
sake. i'm carrying 3 pounds more bike and 20 pounds more of me
up those hills. i had somebody on one of those ultra hip surly
fixies chase me DOWN a hill one time, but he disappeared
at the halfway point when it threw its chain. i have no idea if
he hurt himself but it made an extremely entertaining noise.

sometimes technology marches on for no apparent reason, but the
derailleur was invented to fix a very real problem. so the whole
derailleur/shifter/cassette system adds a couple of pounds to
the total: it gets you where you're going faster and with less
effort.

i'm sure there are a few very specialized areas of competition
where these things are used. i, however, use my bike for
recreation and transportation.

I'm a Clydesdale as well and I use my fixed gear for recreation and
transportation too. I pass people all the time up and down hills no
matter what bike I'm on. I also get passed by people up and down
hills. Performance isn't about the bike. The main reason they exist is
they are fun. Lots of folks appreciate this, and I guess a lot more
folks just (erroneously) think it makes them cool. The fact that some
idiots use them by no means makes the bikes idiotic. I've never tried
a single speed MTB, but some guys I know use them almost exclusively
and I take they do it for fun and don't really care if they ultimately
would be faster with a multi-speed bike.

It (both singlespeed and fixed gear) is fun. It's
different. I expect that I am faster on a geared
bike, but I'm faster in a car than on a bicycle,
and that doesn't mean I give up bicycles for cars.
I have had one and multi gear bikes in both
road and MTB and see no reason to give any of them
up as they serve marginally different purposes.
The ones without gear shifts are simpler and there
is one less thing to think about. Sometimes that
is what I want. In the case of MTBs, which have
gotten technologically more and more complicated
(like most other things I deal with on a daily
basis), simplicity has an appeal. It's different,
not necessarily better; that is all.

Ben

In article ,
"G.T." wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 00:53:04 -0700, JD wrote:

On Aug 4, 6:02 pm, Ozark Bicycle
wrote:
On Aug 4, 7:45 pm, JD wrote:





On Aug 4, 3:33 pm, Fred Clydesdale wrote:
personally, i've never gotten the whole single/fixie thing, and
a singlespeed mtb seems beyond useless.
We can't all be closed-minded dumbasses.
i pass at least 5 fixies
a week on the various hills of my weekday ride, never had things
happen the other way around. and i'm a CLYDESDALE, for heaven's
sake. i'm carrying 3 pounds more bike and 20 pounds more of me
up those hills.
C'mon out and ride with me sometime. I'll show you just how
inefficient singlespeed bikes are. Your weekday ride sounds like it's
loaded with punks and poseurs.
JD 225lbs and can still kick your ass
No one talks smack quite like a SS or fixie freak.....

If you think it's unsubstantiated smack, keep kidding yourself.

JD

Dear JD,

Why don't Tour de France riders use single speeds?

Cheers,


Why don't they use 11-34 cogs and triple cranksets?

Because they are not fully loaded tourers.

A pro-cyclist gearing _plus_ a 24 cog granny gear is an
excellent choice for some of us.

--
Michael Press

In article . com,
" writes:

It (both singlespeed and fixed gear) is fun. It's
different. I expect that I am faster on a geared
bike, but I'm faster in a car than on a bicycle,
and that doesn't mean I give up bicycles for cars.
I have had one and multi gear bikes in both
road and MTB and see no reason to give any of them
up as they serve marginally different purposes.

Sure, bikes are bikes, 'n they're all good.

The ones without gear shifts are simpler and there
is one less thing to think about. Sometimes that
is what I want. In the case of MTBs, which have
gotten technologically more and more complicated
(like most other things I deal with on a daily
basis), simplicity has an appeal. It's different,
not necessarily better; that is all.

May you continue to ride all your variously config'd
bikes with joy, despite the tongue-clucking &
head-shaking of some folks.

"C'mon people now, smile on your brother,
Everbody get together, try and love one another
right now."


cheers,
Tom

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I'm really at:
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Fred Clydesdale wrote:
In article ,
"Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman" ""sunsetss0003\"@invalida .com" wrote:

Is the bigger front wheel to better roll over obstacles, or is it just a
demented fashion statement? Conversely, does the smaller rear wheel
provide any real advantage?

What is the deal with single-speed anyway?
...
Who exactly is the target market for this bike?

personally, i've never gotten the whole single/fixie thing, and
a singlespeed mtb seems beyond useless. i pass at least 5 fixies
a week on the various hills of my weekday ride, never had things
happen the other way around. and i'm a CLYDESDALE, for heaven's
sake.

Damn. Tonight I passed a 'bent trike on a flat bike path going into a
headwind.

'bents must be slow and inefficient! Q.E.D.

Greg

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On Aug 5, 12:29 pm, "GeeDubb" wrote:
"Ozark Bicycle" wrote in message

ups.com...

On Aug 5, 9:59 am, JD wrote:
On Aug 5, 4:24 am, Ozark Bicycle

wrote:
Simple experiment: If you have a manual transmission car, try driving
around all day in third, including hills and 'standing starts'. All
day, or as long as ya can stand it.

Put the banjo down and go ride your bike.

JD

Anything you say, asshole.

Nice come back. You must have put a lot of thought into it.


That was just a confirmation is all, G.

JD

On Aug 5, 3:29 pm, Fred Clydesdale wrote:
In article . com,





JD wrote:
On Aug 4, 3:33 pm, Fred Clydesdale wrote:
personally, i've never gotten the whole single/fixie thing, and
a singlespeed mtb seems beyond useless.

We can't all be closed-minded dumbasses.

i pass at least 5 fixies
a week on the various hills of my weekday ride, never had things
happen the other way around. and i'm a CLYDESDALE, for heaven's
sake. i'm carrying 3 pounds more bike and 20 pounds more of me
up those hills.

C'mon out and ride with me sometime. I'll show you just how
inefficient singlespeed bikes are. Your weekday ride sounds like it's
loaded with punks and poseurs.

JD 225lbs and can still kick your ass

yah, okay. no more red bull for you, d00d.


You must have me confused with someone else.

i'm sure that for some people the simplicity is an attraction.
me, not so much. maybe you're in that group. i'm also sure that
for some people riding a fixie is just a way of saying "i'm
OUT there". maybe you're in that group. here's a test question:
how do you feel about The Man trying to legislate the requirement
for at least one brake on your surly, or soma, or whatever it
is?


I don't care what you think, but it is rather amusing. As far as the
man's rules, I really don't care what they legislate.

JD

On Aug 5, 4:04 pm, Michael Warner wrote:
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 17:45:31 -0700, JD wrote:
C'mon out and ride with me sometime. I'll show you just how
inefficient singlespeed bikes are. Your weekday ride sounds like it's
loaded with punks and poseurs.

I ride with a few people who have both geared and SS road bikes, and
may come out on either. They say that the spinning and grinding required
on a SS is good training, and they may well be right, but overall they're
much slower on the SS, and get tired more quickly.

Unless you're riding with people weaker than yourself, it's inconsiderate
to slow down the group - IMHO they should save the SS for solo rides.


Sounds like you ride with punks and poseurs. Maybe you should ride
solo?

JD