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"Actually you are the first person to bring up this issue"
G.T. wrote:
snip It's much easier to blame the user. That's what you're doing and that's what the manufacturers are doing. Even though they know the forces acting to rip the wheel out of the dropout are high. So why blame people for driving fast? Surely by now, speed limiters should have been fitted to all vehicles limiting their speed to 10km/hour to avoid impact injuries. We all know that the forces acting to squash drivers, passengers and pedestrians are high. Studies may have shown that disc brakes apply strong forces to the dropout but other studies have clearly shown that improperly maintained vehicles travelling at speed can apply strong forces to human bodies upon impact. Yet maintain and use a vehicle safely and the odds of your crashing due to equipment failure are reduced. Why would this not apply to disc brakes? Despite all the debate I still haven't seen a statistically significant number reports of injuries resulting from this issue where user error has been ruled out. Given the numbers of bikes with disc brakes out there there surely should be several if not dozens of incidents a week if this is a realistic fault that the average rider should be concerned with. -- Westie (Replace 'invalid' with 'yahoo' when replying.) |
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"Actually you are the first person to bring up this issue"
James Annan wrote in message ...
So there you have it. At this rate, by the time next year's complaint comes in, they will presumably have forgotten this first one. How convenient for them. Those who thought that it wouldn't do to kick up a fuss because the poor manufacturers were doing their best, may wish to re-examine their approach. Or else studiously ignore this post in the vain hope that the problem will go away. Assuming, of course, that there actually *is* a problem. It'll be nice to see all that wonderful, properly-controlled data from the laboratory testing. When that comes out for public view, then we'll all be able to avoid drawing conclusions from anecdotal evidence. -- R. F. Jones |
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"Actually you are the first person to bring up this issue"
"G.T." wrote in message om...
"Twohat" wrote in message ... "G.T." wrote in message om... It's much easier to blame the user. That's what you're doing and that's what the manufacturers are doing. Even though they know the forces acting to rip the wheel out of the dropout are high. Greg Been braking hard on bumpy bits for over a year now with my Manitou Magnums with Shimano Drybollock discs with no probs. I might believe it if I saw it happen, but I'm not impressed with the quasi-scientific conspiration theorists. Annan has an axe to grind, and I think he is scaremongering un-necessarily IMHO. I hate scaremongering more than anybody (nobody is better at it than the US media), but I've read a couple of scary accounts, and believe me, I'll be keeping my front skewer very tight. And some day I'll switch to a through-axle. Yeah, I've read some scary accounts too. But we really don't know the initial conditions well enough to draw solid conclusions. "Know" and "suspect" or "think" are not the same level of confidence. I'll be glad when the German lab releases their data and methods to the public, so that we can all see what the real story is. -- Jonesy |
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"Actually you are the first person to bring up this issue"
James Annan wrote:
"Frobnitz" wrote in message ... Have you contacted someone like Watchdog (UK consumer affairs program, for the non-UK readers on the x-post) to see if they are interested. No, I don't think there is any point in that. Firstly, it doesn't affect me directly, and secondly, they are hardly going to take a complaint seriously that has only ever been noticed by one rider (and he didn't even have a crash or anything, it's just that his wheel won't stay put). Since it's already been cleared by the CPSC, there is obviously no design problem and I guess I must have made the whole thing up. It was quite a hassle making all the fake user accounts on singletrackworld: http://www.singletrackworld.com/foru...34406&t=933851 and just to make it seem more authentic I forged this review and hacked into Marin's site: http://www.marin.co.uk/marin-2004/reviews.php?ID=47 James LOL. While I think you are an obsessed quasi-religious zealot, that's not why I'm going to goof on you..... Dumabass, Frobnitz was *supporting you* ! He was suggesting that rather than spam up a bunch of newsgroups where people are probably smart enough to tighten their QR, you should direct your efforts at the appropriate regulatory agencies and actually try to do something to fix the "problem". Your rejection of that course of action suggests that you're more interested in pursuing your own personal crusade rather than actually solving a problem -- percieved or otherwise. Rather than thank him for the suggestion or offer a counterpoint to why it's not a viable option, you launch into a paranoid rant asserting the veracity of the claims while simultaneously asserting no direct interest. WTF??? Perhaps you should resolve the dispute between the voices in your head before forcing us to sort through them. Maybe you should bring that whole thing up with your doctor and he can check you medication levels, eh? Tom |
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"Actually you are the first person to bring up this issue"
"bomba" wrote in message
Is there such a thing as too tight? Is there a danger of the skewer being over-stressed and being more likely to fail? Giant's bike manual suggested that the levers were too loose if closing them didn't leave an imprint in my palm. Jon I heard Rimmer has a permanent imprint on his palm... oh yeah, that was from squeezing his helmet too much ;-) -- Slacker |
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"Actually you are the first person to bring up this issue"
I have a front disc brake on my Van Dessel Super Fly. I've only had to
do really hard braking on one ocassion http://vandesselsports.com/b_sfly.shtml Be gentle with him, JD. Pete what do you reckon? Taxi Cab yellow or high Altitude blue? g |
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"Actually you are the first person to bring up this issue"
So here's a question: why doesn't the industry start making front-facing
dropouts for the forks? Upon hard braking, the torque would force the axle into the back of the dropout if the skewer comes loose. My old Manitou fork also a lip on each drop out, which saved me from a skewer failure once. There must be a good reason - or is it just ignoring a problem? -Collin "G.T." wrote in message om... "Nelson Binch" wrote in message . com... Cross posts I don't participate in removed. "James Annan" wrote in message ... It's now a year since the QR/disk brake problem hit the headlines, and I thought some of you might be interested in hearing how the manufacturers are dealing with it. Wow! How many people are having this problem? Out of how many disk users? Sorry, but every single time I've seen pictures of these 'incidents' it looks like improperly set skewers to me. It's much easier to blame the user. That's what you're doing and that's what the manufacturers are doing. Even though they know the forces acting to rip the wheel out of the dropout are high. Greg |
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"Actually you are the first person to bring up this issue"
G.T. wrote:
| "Twohat" wrote in message | ... || || "G.T." wrote in message || om... ||| ||| ||| It's much easier to blame the user. That's what you're doing and ||| that's what the manufacturers are doing. Even though they know the ||| forces acting to rip the wheel out of the dropout are high. ||| ||| Greg ||| ||| || Been braking hard on bumpy bits for over a year now with my Manitou || Magnums with Shimano Drybollock discs with no probs. || I might believe it if I saw it happen, but I'm not impressed with the || quasi-scientific conspiration theorists. || Annan has an axe to grind, and I think he is scaremongering || un-necessarily IMHO. || | | I hate scaremongering more than anybody (nobody is better at it than | the US media), but I've read a couple of scary accounts, and believe | me, I'll be keeping my front skewer very tight. And some day I'll | switch to a through-axle. | | Greg See, right there is the answer if you happen to feel a skewer is not enough. Problem solved. --- __o _`\(,_ Cycling is life, (_)/ (_) all the rest, just details. The Nelson Paradigm =^o.o^= http://intergalax.com "Aha! Advancing on me only brings you closer to the cold wrath that is my spork!" - Bucky the Katt Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.619 / Virus Database: 398 - Release Date: 3/10/2004 |
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"Actually you are the first person to bring up this issue"
Jon Senior wrote:
With quick-release, if you have the skewers too tight, they can make the hub bearings bind. Giant's bike manual suggested that the levers were too loose if closing them didn't leave an imprint in my palm. Doing so meant the wheels stopped rotating within about 3/4 revolution, compared to around 20 when loose. That indicates a hub bearing adjustment error -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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"Actually you are the first person to bring up this issue"
Russ wrote:
It's actually 1 Yr and 3 days :-( Been wondering whether to get involved but decided I'd would. Comments in reply to other posts Legal action still pending, really ought to get on with it before someone else goes the same way. For anyone wondering what I'm on about see the link below Russ www.russ-appeal.org.uk Good see you active on the ng's. I think I disagree more than I agree about this issue, but regardless, good luck and best wishes with the legal battle. -- Slacker |
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