Man who killed south London cyclist by careless driving avoids jail

A man has avoided jail after killing a cyclist by careless driving near
Mitcham Common.

Nicky Fonkwa Ntopi, 38, of Basildon, was driving a blue Peugeot 307 when
he struck 67-year-old John Still on Madeira Road in Streatham.

Mr Still, from Lambeth, was taken to hospital in a critical condition
but died 11 days after the crash, which took place during afternoon rush
hour on April 19 last year.

After pleading guilty on Wednesday to causing death by careless or
inconsiderate driving, Mr Ntopi was sentenced at Kingston Crown Court to
150 hours of community service.

He received a six-month suspended sentence and was disqualified from
driving for a year, and ordered to pay £510 in costs.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-a3559841.html

On 08/06/2017 12:57, Bod wrote:
A man has avoided jail after killing a cyclist by careless driving near
Mitcham Common.

Nicky Fonkwa Ntopi, 38, of Basildon, was driving a blue Peugeot 307 when
he struck 67-year-old John Still on Madeira Road in Streatham.

Mr Still, from Lambeth, was taken to hospital in a critical condition
but died 11 days after the crash, which took place during afternoon rush
hour on April 19 last year.

After pleading guilty on Wednesday to causing death by careless or
inconsiderate driving, Mr Ntopi was sentenced at Kingston Crown Court to
150 hours of community service.

He received a six-month suspended sentence and was disqualified from
driving for a year, and ordered to pay £510 in costs.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-a3559841.html


Apparently the police should arrest and jail anyone who expresses a
sympathy for Islam but it is still ok to kill people in your car as long
as you don't mention Allah.

On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 12:57:04 +0100
Bod wrote:

After pleading guilty on Wednesday to causing death by careless or
inconsiderate driving, Mr Ntopi was sentenced at Kingston Crown Court
to 150 hours of community service.

He received a six-month suspended sentence and was disqualified from
driving for a year, and ordered to pay £510 in costs.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-a3559841.html

Wow, that's really sending a message, isn't it? Stop at the scene,
plead guilty and say you're sorry - basically get away with murder.
Yeah I know, murder involves intent, but really anyone who drives
without due care might as well declare "I'm not a bad person, but I
just don't care about other road users".

On 08/06/2017 15:02, Rob Morley wrote:
On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 12:57:04 +0100
Bod wrote:

After pleading guilty on Wednesday to causing death by careless or
inconsiderate driving, Mr Ntopi was sentenced at Kingston Crown Court
to 150 hours of community service.

He received a six-month suspended sentence and was disqualified from
driving for a year, and ordered to pay £510 in costs.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-a3559841.html

Wow, that's really sending a message, isn't it? Stop at the scene,
plead guilty and say you're sorry - basically get away with murder.
Yeah I know, murder involves intent, but really anyone who drives
without due care might as well declare "I'm not a bad person, but I
just don't care about other road users".


Do you know the actual circumstances of the crash? Was he driving on
the pavement for instance?

Would you rather he had driven away (as most cyclists do)?

Should he have denied any liability for the crash (as most cyclists do)?
(Charlie Alliston for example)

What do you think his punishment should be? As it is he has lost his
transport (never happens to cyclists, no matter who they kill or maim)
He has a two year suspended sentence, the need to take an extra rigorous
test if he is to regain his driving licence (cannot happen to a cyclist,
no matter what) And a financial penalty (no problem for rich cyclists
of course) AND a community service order. What else should he have?

On 08/06/2017 15:02, Rob Morley wrote:
On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 12:57:04 +0100
Bod wrote:

After pleading guilty on Wednesday to causing death by careless or
inconsiderate driving, Mr Ntopi was sentenced at Kingston Crown Court
to 150 hours of community service.

He received a six-month suspended sentence and was disqualified from
driving for a year, and ordered to pay £510 in costs.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-a3559841.html

Wow, that's really sending a message, isn't it? Stop at the scene,
plead guilty and say you're sorry - basically get away with murder.
Yeah I know, murder involves intent, but really anyone who drives
without due care might as well declare "I'm not a bad person, but I
just don't care about other road users".

That's rubbish and you know it.

If that could be proven, the charge would be dangerous, rather than
careless, driving.

Dangerous driving implies some sort of intent or recklessness. Careless
driving needs only a moment's inattention or misjudgment and must, of
necessity, be unintentional.

But hey, since you know better than the police, the CPS and the jury,
it's a wonder the state doesn't just hand the whole enforcement of CDBDD
and CDBCD over to you. I wonder why they haven't thought of that?

On Thursday, June 8, 2017 at 4:13:41 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:

Dangerous driving implies some sort of intent or recklessness. Careless
driving needs only a moment's inattention or misjudgment and must, of
necessity, be unintentional.


Why do we let such inherently dangerous vehicles onto public roads under the control of such fallible human beings?

On 08/06/2017 19:52, wrote:

On Thursday, June 8, 2017 at 4:13:41 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:

Dangerous driving implies some sort of intent or recklessness. Careless
driving needs only a moment's inattention or misjudgment and must, of
necessity, be unintentional.

Why do we let such inherently dangerous vehicles onto public roads under the control of such fallible human beings...

....and stand by whilst they try to undertake left-turning lorries?

Good question.

On Thursday, June 8, 2017 at 8:05:18 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 08/06/2017 19:52, wrote:

On Thursday, June 8, 2017 at 4:13:41 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:

Dangerous driving implies some sort of intent or recklessness. Careless
driving needs only a moment's inattention or misjudgment and must, of
necessity, be unintentional.

Why do we let such inherently dangerous vehicles onto public roads under the control of such fallible human beings...

...and stand by whilst they try to undertake left-turning lorries?

Good question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4kOvsZ8qyg

On Thursday, June 8, 2017 at 3:02:29 PM UTC+1, Rob Morley wrote:
On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 12:57:04 +0100
Bod wrote:

After pleading guilty on Wednesday to causing death by careless or
inconsiderate driving, Mr Ntopi was sentenced at Kingston Crown Court
to 150 hours of community service.

He received a six-month suspended sentence and was disqualified from
driving for a year, and ordered to pay £510 in costs.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-a3559841.html

Wow, that's really sending a message, isn't it? Stop at the scene,
plead guilty and say you're sorry - basically get away with murder.
Yeah I know, murder involves intent, but really anyone who drives
without due care might as well declare "I'm not a bad person, but I
just don't care about other road users".

A more appropriate penalty?

This is to be your fate.
You are to remain in a cell this night to dwell upon your wrongdoing and your coming death. At every beating of the quarter hour a guard shall repeat this sentence aloud to you so you may have no rest.Then at dawn you are to be taken to the Temple and there shall the guard read your sentence to the High Priest of Guis-wa so that the Red-Jawed Hunter will hear that you are not worthy of a place in the Eternal Hunt.Then you shall be taken to the base of the plateau and stripped naked. Then shall a dozen guards of the trueblood whip you and run you through the city. Should you fall they shall apply hot coals to your buttocks until you rise again. At the gates of the city you be hung in a cage and your sentence will be read aloud by the guards upon the hour so that all passing may hear your crimes.Even the lowest shall be offered sticks of bamboo with which to torment you so you may feel the wrath of those you betrayed, yet you shall endure and no one shall grant you merciful death. When you are near unto death from exposure you shall be taken from the cage and revived with water made bitter with vinegar and bread covered with salt. You shall be driven by lash and hot coals to the edge of the Overn Deep where the first Kings of the trueblood hunted There shall be made to drink the bitter wine of betrayal and eat the rotten meat of treason. Then shall your manhood be cut from your body. You shall then be bound and thrown into the marsh where the crocodiles shall devour your flesh. In every royal decree and record of your time among us your name shall be stricken so that no one shall ever speak it again.
In its place will be written ‘one who betrayed the nation’ and your name will be forbidden to children of the trueblood from this day forward. In time even the gods will not know who you were and in the black void of the nameless and forgotten will your soul endure eternal confinement alone.

On 09/06/2017 16:13, wrote:
On Thursday, June 8, 2017 at 3:02:29 PM UTC+1, Rob Morley wrote:
On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 12:57:04 +0100
Bod wrote:

After pleading guilty on Wednesday to causing death by careless or
inconsiderate driving, Mr Ntopi was sentenced at Kingston Crown Court
to 150 hours of community service.

He received a six-month suspended sentence and was disqualified from
driving for a year, and ordered to pay £510 in costs.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-a3559841.html

Wow, that's really sending a message, isn't it? Stop at the scene,
plead guilty and say you're sorry - basically get away with murder.
Yeah I know, murder involves intent, but really anyone who drives
without due care might as well declare "I'm not a bad person, but I
just don't care about other road users".

A more appropriate penalty?

This is to be your fate.
You are to remain in a cell this night to dwell upon your wrongdoing and your coming death. At every beating of
the quarter hour a guard shall repeat this sentence aloud to you so you may have no rest.Then at dawn you are
to be taken to the Temple and there shall the guard read your sentence to the High Priest of Guis-wa so that the
Red-Jawed Hunter will hear that you are not worthy of a place in the Eternal Hunt.Then you shall be taken to
the base of the plateau and stripped naked. Then shall a dozen guards of the trueblood whip you and run you
through the city. Should you fall they shall apply hot coals to your buttocks until you rise again. At the
gates of the city you be hung in a cage and your sentence will be read aloud by the guards upon the hour
so that all passing may hear your crimes.Even the lowest shall be offered sticks of bamboo with which to
torment you so you may feel the wrath of those you betrayed, yet you shall endure and no one shall grant you
merciful death. When you are near unto death from exposure you shall be taken from the cage and revived
with water made bitter with vinegar and bread covered with salt. You shall be driven by lash and hot coals
to the edge of the Overn Deep where the first Kings of the trueblood hunted There shall be made to drink
the bitter wine of betrayal and eat the rotten meat of treason. Then shall your manhood be cut from your
body. You shall then be bound and thrown into the marsh where the crocodiles shall devour your flesh.
In every royal decree and record of your time among us your name shall be stricken so that no one shall
ever speak it again.
In its place will be written ‘one who betrayed the nation’ and your name will be forbidden to children
of the trueblood from this day forward. In time even the gods will not know who you were and in the black
void of the nameless and forgotten will your soul endure eternal confinement alone.

Get help, for God's sake.

You need it.

http://tinyurl.com/onsoxf8