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Old March 20th 19, 09:39 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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https://www.si.com/edge/2019/03/19/p...licensed-songs

As it turns out, stealing is wrong. This is news to some
people apparently
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Old March 20th 19, 11:34 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 15:39:51 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

https://www.si.com/edge/2019/03/19/p...t-150-million-

copyright-infringement-unlicensed-songs

As it turns out, stealing is wrong. This is news to some people
apparently


It wasn't "stealing" as nothing was taken from anyone.
The failures were in "licensing the performance" and in the taste of
Peleton.

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Old March 22nd 19, 04:21 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 22:34:58 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:
On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 15:39:51 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

https://www.si.com/edge/2019/03/19/p...t-150-million-

copyright-infringement-unlicensed-songs

As it turns out, stealing is wrong. This is news to some people
apparently


It wasn't "stealing" as nothing was taken from anyone. The failures
were in "licensing the performance" and in the taste of Peleton.


Which means the revenue due to the artists, composers, etc., was stolen
from them by Peloton. How is that not immediately understandable to
you? There are laws governing copyright, royalties, mechanical
licenses, etc.
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Old March 22nd 19, 02:39 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 3/21/2019 10:21 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 22:34:58 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:
On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 15:39:51 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

https://www.si.com/edge/2019/03/19/p...t-150-million-

copyright-infringement-unlicensed-songs

As it turns out, stealing is wrong. This is news to some people
apparently


It wasn't "stealing" as nothing was taken from anyone. The failures
were in "licensing the performance" and in the taste of Peleton.


Which means the revenue due to the artists, composers, etc., was stolen
from them by Peloton. How is that not immediately understandable to
you? There are laws governing copyright, royalties, mechanical
licenses, etc.


Everyone here who has written and sold software understood it.

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Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


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Old March 22nd 19, 04:11 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Duane[_2_]
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On 22/03/2019 9:39 a.m., AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2019 10:21 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 22:34:58 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:
On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 15:39:51 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

https://www.si.com/edge/2019/03/19/p...t-150-million-
copyright-infringement-unlicensed-songs

As it turns out, stealing is wrong. This is news to some people
apparently

It wasn't "stealing" as nothing was taken from anyone. The failures
were in "licensing the performance" and in the taste of Peleton.


Which means the revenue due to the artists, composers, etc., was stolen
from them by Peloton.Â* How is that not immediately understandable to
you?Â* There are laws governing copyright, royalties, mechanical
licenses, etc.


Everyone here who has written and sold software understood it.


+1

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Old March 22nd 19, 08:54 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 8:21:46 PM UTC-7, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 22:34:58 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:
On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 15:39:51 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

https://www.si.com/edge/2019/03/19/p...t-150-million-

copyright-infringement-unlicensed-songs

As it turns out, stealing is wrong. This is news to some people
apparently


It wasn't "stealing" as nothing was taken from anyone. The failures
were in "licensing the performance" and in the taste of Peleton.


Which means the revenue due to the artists, composers, etc., was stolen
from them by Peloton. How is that not immediately understandable to
you? There are laws governing copyright, royalties, mechanical
licenses, etc.


Tim, if they simply turned a radio station on that plays that sort of music no one could have a beef.
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Old March 22nd 19, 10:28 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Radey Shouman
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writes:

On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 8:21:46 PM UTC-7, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 22:34:58 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:
On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 15:39:51 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

https://www.si.com/edge/2019/03/19/p...t-150-million-
copyright-infringement-unlicensed-songs

As it turns out, stealing is wrong. This is news to some people
apparently

It wasn't "stealing" as nothing was taken from anyone. The failures
were in "licensing the performance" and in the taste of Peleton.


Which means the revenue due to the artists, composers, etc., was stolen
from them by Peloton. How is that not immediately understandable to
you? There are laws governing copyright, royalties, mechanical
licenses, etc.


Tim, if they simply turned a radio station on that plays that sort of
music no one could have a beef.


Radio stations pay license fees to ASCAP, BMI, or SESAC, some trickle of
which goes to the original artists (who are generally not the copyright
holders). But there are plenty of beefs to go around, for example
playing the radio for customer entertainment in a restaurant or other
business without additional licensing is a problem.

I do hesitate at the word "stealing". Copyright infringement may be
unlawful, wrong, dishonest &c, but it's not literaly stealing. If
someone steals your bicycle, you no longer have that bicycle. If
someone uses your copyrighted material without license, you may have
lost some potential income from it, but it's not obvious how much.
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Old March 22nd 19, 10:40 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Sir Ridesalot
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On Friday, March 22, 2019 at 5:28:43 PM UTC-4, Radey Shouman wrote:
writes:

On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 8:21:46 PM UTC-7, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 22:34:58 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:
On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 15:39:51 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

https://www.si.com/edge/2019/03/19/p...t-150-million-
copyright-infringement-unlicensed-songs

As it turns out, stealing is wrong. This is news to some people
apparently

It wasn't "stealing" as nothing was taken from anyone. The failures
were in "licensing the performance" and in the taste of Peleton.

Which means the revenue due to the artists, composers, etc., was stolen
from them by Peloton. How is that not immediately understandable to
you? There are laws governing copyright, royalties, mechanical
licenses, etc.


Tim, if they simply turned a radio station on that plays that sort of
music no one could have a beef.


Radio stations pay license fees to ASCAP, BMI, or SESAC, some trickle of
which goes to the original artists (who are generally not the copyright
holders). But there are plenty of beefs to go around, for example
playing the radio for customer entertainment in a restaurant or other
business without additional licensing is a problem.

I do hesitate at the word "stealing". Copyright infringement may be
unlawful, wrong, dishonest &c, but it's not literaly stealing. If
someone steals your bicycle, you no longer have that bicycle. If
someone uses your copyrighted material without license, you may have
lost some potential income from it, but it's not obvious how much.


Copyright/Trademark extends to the hobby of plastic model building too. Many companies now market kits called "Commando Car" or "Utility Vehicle" because otherwise they have to pay for the use of the name jeep if it starts with an upper case J.

A lot of people have trouble when they cross the line from Fair Use to Copyright/Trademark infringement.

Cheers
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Old March 22nd 19, 10:41 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Sir Ridesalot
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On Friday, March 22, 2019 at 3:55:01 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 8:21:46 PM UTC-7, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 22:34:58 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:
On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 15:39:51 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

https://www.si.com/edge/2019/03/19/p...t-150-million-
copyright-infringement-unlicensed-songs

As it turns out, stealing is wrong. This is news to some people
apparently

It wasn't "stealing" as nothing was taken from anyone. The failures
were in "licensing the performance" and in the taste of Peleton.


Which means the revenue due to the artists, composers, etc., was stolen
from them by Peloton. How is that not immediately understandable to
you? There are laws governing copyright, royalties, mechanical
licenses, etc.


Tim, if they simply turned a radio station on that plays that sort of music no one could have a beef.


Perhaps, but if they record the music the radio station plays then they could possibly have problems.

Cheers
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Old March 22nd 19, 11:23 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Radey Shouman
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Sir Ridesalot writes:

On Friday, March 22, 2019 at 5:28:43 PM UTC-4, Radey Shouman wrote:
writes:

On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 8:21:46 PM UTC-7, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 22:34:58 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:
On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 15:39:51 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

https://www.si.com/edge/2019/03/19/p...t-150-million-
copyright-infringement-unlicensed-songs

As it turns out, stealing is wrong. This is news to some people
apparently

It wasn't "stealing" as nothing was taken from anyone. The failures
were in "licensing the performance" and in the taste of Peleton.

Which means the revenue due to the artists, composers, etc., was stolen
from them by Peloton. How is that not immediately understandable to
you? There are laws governing copyright, royalties, mechanical
licenses, etc.

Tim, if they simply turned a radio station on that plays that sort of
music no one could have a beef.


Radio stations pay license fees to ASCAP, BMI, or SESAC, some trickle of
which goes to the original artists (who are generally not the copyright
holders). But there are plenty of beefs to go around, for example
playing the radio for customer entertainment in a restaurant or other
business without additional licensing is a problem.

I do hesitate at the word "stealing". Copyright infringement may be
unlawful, wrong, dishonest &c, but it's not literaly stealing. If
someone steals your bicycle, you no longer have that bicycle. If
someone uses your copyrighted material without license, you may have
lost some potential income from it, but it's not obvious how much.


Copyright/Trademark extends to the hobby of plastic model building
too. Many companies now market kits called "Commando Car" or "Utility
Vehicle" because otherwise they have to pay for the use of the name
jeep if it starts with an upper case J.


You have to pay royalties for "Jalopy"?

A lot of people have trouble when they cross the line from Fair Use to
Copyright/Trademark infringement.

Cheers


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