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Pete wrote:
However, not everyone who went there, at evey level of command, was guilty of My Lai level crimes, as Kerry has said. Kerry claimed that *everyone* who served in Vietnam was guilty? Come now, that seems so outrageous that it demands a backup quotation. I couldn't find anything even close to that in his 1971 testimony: VIETNAM WAR VETERAN JOHN KERRY'S TESTIMONY BEFORE THE SENATE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE, APRIL 22, 1971 http://www.richmond.edu/~ebolt/histo...Testimony.html That's the first time I've read it, and it's an impressive and articulate statement from such a young man. If I can find it, I would like to read his position paper on rim anodizing. -- terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://www.terrymorse.com/bike/ |
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"Kevan Smith" wrote Except Kerry didn't saY that. Who would? I mean, if even _I_ can see how bad an overgeneralization it is -- and you know how I love overgeneralizations -- then why would Kerry make such a ridiculous claim? Are you talking about his Congressional testimony or what? Yes. To the Senate CFR " These were not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command." "...we are more guilty than any other body of violations of those Geneva Conventions; in the use of free fire zones, harassment interdiction fire, search and destroy missions, the bombings, the torture of prisoners, all accepted policy by many units in South Vietnam. " Notwithstanding the fact that some of these "winter soldiers" were not soldiers at all, but just ringers. Did those things happen? Yes! War is a nasty, ugly business. And sometimes people get out of control. Dehumanize a shadowy enemy. Accidentally or on purpose. But you know as well as I do that soldiers/airmen/squids are usually just regular people. In a war, regular people trying to survive. How many in your old unit would perform acts like that? Not many. At a platoon level, how many would try to stop it if one of their platoon members were to go off? I know I would. And you would have as well. As I said before, this happened a long time ago. Times change, people change. I still don't like the guy... Pete |
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"Kevan Smith" wrote You're trying to justify war crimes. Just so you know. No, not justifying it. Realizing that, as humans, some of us are not above doing that sort of thing. We have not evolved beyond that. Yet. And it's not right when *anyone* does it. Pete |
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What kind of bikes do you imagine the Secret Service riding?
Trek MTBs. That's what they ride now, the uniformed division at least. When they're not looking at their feet. But I imagine a bicycling President, especially a roadie, would get the same motorcade level protection as if he/she travelled by car. More likely the USSS wouldn't let it happen. They'd have to ride a cruiser inside the WH like Clinton did. It's all on the Web. If some future President chose to ride it wouldn't be in DC, IMHO. -- _______________________ALL AMIGA IN MY MIND_______________________ ------------------"Buddy Holly, the Texas Elvis"------------------ in.edu__________ |
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And it's not right when *anyone* does it.
Agree with that. I've got problems, you've got problems, Kerry has problems. But if I can't have Clark, I'll take Kerry. W has BIG problems. Isn't Kerry married to the catsup heiress? And catsup is big business in America. What would you rather have, catsup or oil? Peace or war? Honorable service or drinks and politics at the O club? It's a couple of patricians squaring off, Pete, you and I are just humble albeit conservative cyclists. You'll notice Halliburton is running "we're the bipartisan good guys" commercials lately, that's a clear endorsement of the war that no thinking non-investor in Halliburton wanted. -- _______________________ALL AMIGA IN MY MIND_______________________ ------------------"Buddy Holly, the Texas Elvis"------------------ in.edu__________ |
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"Eric S. Sande" writes: But if I can't have Clark, I'll take Kerry. I think Americans could go far with a President who's like Eleanor Roosevelt. She was cool. I've heard it said that the best leaders are the ones that have to be dragged kicking & screaming to office. Maybe a system where those elected don't even know they were nominated is called for. cheers, Tom -- -- Powered by FreeBSD Above address is just a spam midden. I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca |
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But if I can't have Clark, I'll take Kerry.
I think Americans could go far with a President who's like Eleanor Roosevelt. She was cool. Well, she wasn't as weird as Nancy Reagan. I've heard it said that the best leaders are the ones that have to be dragged kicking & screaming to office. Maybe a system where those elected don't even know they were nominated is called for. Sooner or later we'll elect a President that is a paragon of virtue. In the mean time we'll have to settle for politicians. -- _______________________ALL AMIGA IN MY MIND_______________________ ------------------"Buddy Holly, the Texas Elvis"------------------ in.edu__________ |
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On 18 Feb 2004 18:10:58 GMT in rec.bicycles.misc,
(Hunrobe) wrote: It's always so nice to find simple answers to complex questions. i know a lot of quakers who do find it simple. they simplify a lot of the rest of their lives, too. and if anyone earned the right to protest the vietnam war, it's someone who fought in it first. but hey, this is OFF TOPIC for this thread. PLONK. |
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