Should Cyclists Pack Guns?

On 30 Apr 2007 19:40:49 GMT, Chris wrote:

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On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:11:23 -0400, Wayne Pein
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BrianNZ wrote:


Those are vehicles legally on the road. Bicycles are, in
fact, NOT legally allowed to ride in traffic lanes.



Not true. Look up your state statues. I live in Colorado
(Here is the link:
http://www.state.co.us/gov_dir/leg_d...ed_statutes.ht
m)

You will see that a bicycle is defined as a vehicle and must follow all
the rules of the road as a motorist must. The right-of-way order is:
1) Pedestrian
2) Bicyclist
3) Motorist

And in Colorado, you will see this law :

42-4-1103. Minimum speed regulation.

Statute text

(1) No person shall drive a motor vehicle on any highway at such a
slow speed as to impede or block the normal and reasonable forward
movement of traffic, except when a reduced speed is necessary for safe
operation of such vehicle or in compliance with law.

(2) Whenever the department of transportation or local authorities
within their respective jurisdictions determine, on the basis of an
engineering and traffic investigation as described in the state
traffic control manual, that slow speeds on any part of a highway
consistently impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic,
said department or such local authority may determine and declare a
minimum speed limit below which no person shall drive a vehicle,
except when necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law.

(3) Notwithstanding any minimum speed that may be authorized and
posted pursuant to this section, if any person drives a motor vehicle
on a highway outside an incorporated area or on any controlled-access
highway at a speed less than the normal and reasonable speed of
traffic under the conditions then and there existing and by so driving
at such slower speed impedes or retards the normal and reasonable
movement of vehicular traffic following immediately behind, then such
driver shall:

(a) Where the width of the traveled way permits, drive in the
right-hand lane available to traffic or on the extreme right side of
the roadway consistent with the provisions of section 42-4-1001 (2)
until such impeded traffic has passed by; or

(b) Pull off the roadway at the first available place where such
movement can safely and lawfully be made until such impeded traffic
has passed by.

(4) Wherever special uphill traffic lanes or roadside turnouts are
provided and posted, drivers of all vehicles proceeding at less than
the normal and reasonable speed of traffic shall use such lanes or
turnouts to allow other vehicles to pass or maintain normal traffic
flow.

(5) Any person who violates any provision of this section commits a
class A traffic infraction.

So…… I actuality, you as a motorist must yield to a cyclist and are
required to pass safely. If that means slowing down and waiting, then
you must

Wrong. Read above. THAT is the law, in your state, according
to the link you provided.


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On 30 Apr 2007 19:40:49 GMT, Chris wrote:

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On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:11:23 -0400, Wayne Pein
wrote:

BrianNZ wrote:


Those are vehicles legally on the road. Bicycles are, in
fact, NOT legally allowed to ride in traffic lanes.



Not true. Look up your state statues. I live in Colorado
(Here is the link:

http://www.state.co.us/gov_dir/leg_d...ed_statutes.ht
m)

You will see that a bicycle is defined as a vehicle and must follow
all
the rules of the road as a motorist must. The right-of-way order is:
1) Pedestrian
2) Bicyclist
3) Motorist

And in Colorado, you will see this law :

42-4-1103. Minimum speed regulation.

Statute text

(1) No person shall drive a motor vehicle on any highway at such a
slow speed as to impede or block the normal and reasonable forward
movement of traffic, except when a reduced speed is necessary for safe
operation of such vehicle or in compliance with law.

(2) Whenever the department of transportation or local authorities
within their respective jurisdictions determine, on the basis of an
engineering and traffic investigation as described in the state
traffic control manual, that slow speeds on any part of a highway
consistently impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic,
said department or such local authority may determine and declare a
minimum speed limit below which no person shall drive a vehicle,
except when necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law.

(3) Notwithstanding any minimum speed that may be authorized and
posted pursuant to this section, if any person drives a motor vehicle
on a highway outside an incorporated area or on any controlled-access
highway at a speed less than the normal and reasonable speed of
traffic under the conditions then and there existing and by so driving
at such slower speed impedes or retards the normal and reasonable
movement of vehicular traffic following immediately behind, then such
driver shall:

(a) Where the width of the traveled way permits, drive in the
right-hand lane available to traffic or on the extreme right side of
the roadway consistent with the provisions of section 42-4-1001 (2)
until such impeded traffic has passed by; or

(b) Pull off the roadway at the first available place where such
movement can safely and lawfully be made until such impeded traffic
has passed by.

(4) Wherever special uphill traffic lanes or roadside turnouts are
provided and posted, drivers of all vehicles proceeding at less than
the normal and reasonable speed of traffic shall use such lanes or
turnouts to allow other vehicles to pass or maintain normal traffic
flow.

(5) Any person who violates any provision of this section commits a
class A traffic infraction.

So…… I actuality, you as a motorist must yield to a cyclist and are
required to pass safely. If that means slowing down and waiting,
then
you must

Wrong. Read above. THAT is the law, in your state, according
to the link you provided.



Did you actually read what it said:

"(1) No person shall drive a motor vehicle on any highway"


Are all roads highways?
and
Bicycles are not motor vehicles.

What you cited does not apply.


Wanna try again??

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On 01 May 2007 12:55:24 GMT, Chris wrote:

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On 30 Apr 2007 19:40:49 GMT, Chris wrote:

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On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:11:23 -0400, Wayne Pein
wrote:

BrianNZ wrote:


Those are vehicles legally on the road. Bicycles are, in
fact, NOT legally allowed to ride in traffic lanes.



Not true. Look up your state statues. I live in Colorado
(Here is the link:


http://www.state.co.us/gov_dir/leg_d...sed_statutes.h
t
m)

You will see that a bicycle is defined as a vehicle and must follow
all
the rules of the road as a motorist must. The right-of-way order
is: 1) Pedestrian
2) Bicyclist
3) Motorist

And in Colorado, you will see this law :

42-4-1103. Minimum speed regulation.

Statute text

(1) No person shall drive a motor vehicle on any highway at such a
slow speed as to impede or block the normal and reasonable forward
movement of traffic, except when a reduced speed is necessary for
safe operation of such vehicle or in compliance with law.

(2) Whenever the department of transportation or local authorities
within their respective jurisdictions determine, on the basis of an
engineering and traffic investigation as described in the state
traffic control manual, that slow speeds on any part of a highway
consistently impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic,
said department or such local authority may determine and declare a
minimum speed limit below which no person shall drive a vehicle,
except when necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law.

(3) Notwithstanding any minimum speed that may be authorized and
posted pursuant to this section, if any person drives a motor
vehicle on a highway outside an incorporated area or on any
controlled-access highway at a speed less than the normal and
reasonable speed of traffic under the conditions then and there
existing and by so driving at such slower speed impedes or retards
the normal and reasonable movement of vehicular traffic following
immediately behind, then such driver shall:

(a) Where the width of the traveled way permits, drive in the
right-hand lane available to traffic or on the extreme right side of
the roadway consistent with the provisions of section 42-4-1001 (2)
until such impeded traffic has passed by; or

(b) Pull off the roadway at the first available place where such
movement can safely and lawfully be made until such impeded traffic
has passed by.

(4) Wherever special uphill traffic lanes or roadside turnouts are
provided and posted, drivers of all vehicles proceeding at less than
the normal and reasonable speed of traffic shall use such lanes or
turnouts to allow other vehicles to pass or maintain normal traffic
flow.

(5) Any person who violates any provision of this section commits a
class A traffic infraction.

So…… I actuality, you as a motorist must yield to a cyclist and
are required to pass safely. If that means slowing down and
waiting,
then
you must

Wrong. Read above. THAT is the law, in your state, according
to the link you provided.



Did you actually read what it said:

"(1) No person shall drive a motor vehicle on any highway"


Are all roads highways?

Yes. The term 'any highway' is used in laws to refer to 'all
public roads', not just some that you might loosely refer to with the
colloquial use of the term. It legally includes the tiniest little
dead end street, etc, if the road is public.

Are bicycles a motor vehicle?

You are wrong motor head, bicycles have as much (actually more) right-
of-way to the road as any car. Ask a cop, or better yet, the judge at
your sentencing when you hit a cyclist



and
Bicycles are not motor vehicles.

What you cited does not apply.


Wanna try again??






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On 01 May 2007 12:55:24 GMT, Chris wrote:

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Wanna try again??

No, you're a waste of my time.


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On 01 May 2007 12:55:24 GMT, Chris wrote:

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On 30 Apr 2007 19:40:49 GMT, Chris wrote:

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On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:11:23 -0400, Wayne Pein
wrote:

BrianNZ wrote:


Those are vehicles legally on the road. Bicycles are, in
fact, NOT legally allowed to ride in traffic lanes.



Not true. Look up your state statues. I live in Colorado
(Here is the link:

http://www.state.co.us/gov_dir/leg_d...ed_statutes.ht
m)

You will see that a bicycle is defined as a vehicle and must follow
all
the rules of the road as a motorist must. The right-of-way order is:
1) Pedestrian
2) Bicyclist
3) Motorist

And in Colorado, you will see this law :

42-4-1103. Minimum speed regulation.

Statute text

(1) No person shall drive a motor vehicle on any highway at such a
slow speed as to impede or block the normal and reasonable forward
movement of traffic, except when a reduced speed is necessary for safe
operation of such vehicle or in compliance with law.

(2) Whenever the department of transportation or local authorities
within their respective jurisdictions determine, on the basis of an
engineering and traffic investigation as described in the state
traffic control manual, that slow speeds on any part of a highway
consistently impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic,
said department or such local authority may determine and declare a
minimum speed limit below which no person shall drive a vehicle,
except when necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law.

(3) Notwithstanding any minimum speed that may be authorized and
posted pursuant to this section, if any person drives a motor vehicle
on a highway outside an incorporated area or on any controlled-access
highway at a speed less than the normal and reasonable speed of
traffic under the conditions then and there existing and by so driving
at such slower speed impedes or retards the normal and reasonable
movement of vehicular traffic following immediately behind, then such
driver shall:

(a) Where the width of the traveled way permits, drive in the
right-hand lane available to traffic or on the extreme right side of
the roadway consistent with the provisions of section 42-4-1001 (2)
until such impeded traffic has passed by; or

(b) Pull off the roadway at the first available place where such
movement can safely and lawfully be made until such impeded traffic
has passed by.

(4) Wherever special uphill traffic lanes or roadside turnouts are
provided and posted, drivers of all vehicles proceeding at less than
the normal and reasonable speed of traffic shall use such lanes or
turnouts to allow other vehicles to pass or maintain normal traffic
flow.

(5) Any person who violates any provision of this section commits a
class A traffic infraction.

So…… I actuality, you as a motorist must yield to a cyclist and are
required to pass safely. If that means slowing down and waiting,
then
you must

Wrong. Read above. THAT is the law, in your state, according
to the link you provided.



Did you actually read what it said:

"(1) No person shall drive a motor vehicle on any highway"


Are all roads highways?

Yes. The term 'any highway' is used in laws to refer to 'all
public roads', not just some that you might loosely refer to with the
colloquial use of the term. It legally includes the tiniest little
dead end street, etc, if the road is public.


and
Bicycles are not motor vehicles.

What you cited does not apply.


Wanna try again??

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On 01 May 2007 13:17:28 GMT, Chris wrote:

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On 01 May 2007 12:55:24 GMT, Chris wrote:


(2) Whenever the department of transportation or local authorities
within their respective jurisdictions determine, on the basis of an
engineering and traffic investigation as described in the state
traffic control manual, that slow speeds on any part of a highway
consistently impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic,
said department or such local authority may determine and declare a
minimum speed limit below which no person shall drive a vehicle,
except when necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law.

(4) Wherever special uphill traffic lanes or roadside turnouts are
provided and posted, drivers of all vehicles proceeding at less than
the normal and reasonable speed of traffic shall use such lanes or
turnouts to allow other vehicles to pass or maintain normal traffic
flow.

(5) Any person who violates any provision of this section commits a
class A traffic infraction.


Are bicycles a motor vehicle?

Where in the above law do you find the phrase 'motor vehicle'
? I can't seem to find it there.


You are wrong motor head, bicycles have as much (actually more) right-
of-way to the road as any car. Ask a cop, or better yet, the judge at
your sentencing when you hit a cyclist

Bwahahahaha !!!!!!


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On 01 May 2007 13:17:28 GMT, Chris wrote:

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On 01 May 2007 12:55:24 GMT, Chris wrote:


(2) Whenever the department of transportation or local authorities
within their respective jurisdictions determine, on the basis of
an
engineering and traffic investigation as described in the state
traffic control manual, that slow speeds on any part of a highway
consistently impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic,
said department or such local authority may determine and declare
a
minimum speed limit below which no person shall drive a vehicle,
except when necessary for safe operation or in compliance with
law.

(4) Wherever special uphill traffic lanes or roadside turnouts are
provided and posted, drivers of all vehicles proceeding at less
than
the normal and reasonable speed of traffic shall use such lanes or
turnouts to allow other vehicles to pass or maintain normal
traffic
flow.

(5) Any person who violates any provision of this section commits
a
class A traffic infraction.


Are bicycles a motor vehicle?

Where in the above law do you find the phrase 'motor vehicle'
? I can't seem to find it there.


You are wrong motor head, bicycles have as much (actually more) right-
of-way to the road as any car. Ask a cop, or better yet, the judge at
your sentencing when you hit a cyclist

Bwahahahaha !!!!!!



You can cherry pick the law all you want, but bicyclist do have a right
to the road, and motorist must pass safely


SO..... blow it out your ass pal

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And in Colorado, you will see this law :

42-4-1103. Minimum speed regulation.

Statute text

(1) No person shall drive a motor vehicle on any highway at such a
slow speed as to impede or block the normal and reasonable forward
movement of traffic, except when a reduced speed is necessary for safe
operation of such vehicle or in compliance with law.


Bicycles are not motor vehicles.

Wayne

Well done Chris.
Even without a bike lane you have to imagine there is one when you are a
driver because the only rule for cyclists is to stay to the right unless
turning left. Rules are made for everyone's safety nothing else. If you do
not understand that you are a menace to society. : )

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On 01 May 2007 12:55:24 GMT, Chris wrote:

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Wanna try again??

No, you're a waste of my time.


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Actually, you are wasting everybody's time. A big amount of text to read
and nothing relevant.