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  #401  
Old May 3rd 07, 10:30 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
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"Turby" wrote in message
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On 3 May 2007 10:08:43 -0700, wrote:

On May 3, 12:49 pm, Turby wrote:

The first cite says,
"1 out of every 3 American women will be sexually assulted in her
lifetime."


Really, that's not much of a citation. I see no source for the
number, and no clue as to how it was determined. It's impossible to
tell if it has any validity.


Once again, somebody wants to quibble about numbers, rather than
address the issue. Do you deny that the number of reported rapes is
ridiculously excessive? Without citing numbers, virtually all
authorities agree that the actual incidence of rape is far higher than
what is reported.

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Even one is too much. Some countries you die for that violation. No second
chances.
No does not mean yes period.


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  #402  
Old May 3rd 07, 10:58 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
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evelyn wrote:
On May 2, 5:07 pm, BrianNZ wrote:
evelyn wrote:
how do you know.? I could be bigger than you or stronger than you,
you are makine lots of assumptions because I assume I am a woman. You
have no idea of what kind of person i am, what type of shape I am in,
NOTHING.

Hmmmmm....you assume you are a woman!? Drop your pants and take a
look.....if you have a penis, you are a guy. Hope this helped clear that
assumption up for you.

Unless you are one of those confused individuals who has a penis but
prefers wearing womens clothes......


how intellegent?



The part about you assuming you are a woman?

Well, what was the result of your pants survey? Am I talking to a man or
a woman here.



how about sticking to the arguement and not being a
dumbass?



(assuming your'e a woman 'cos if you don't know, how the hell am I
supposed to know?)

My my, that time of the month is it?
Your argument of keeping a pistol in a fanny pack has already been won
by the man who said 'use a holster'.....the guy that was trying to give
you a heads up on how to defend yourself better, who you decided was
flaming you.

You can't even accept helpful advice without having a wee hissyfit, let
alone having a laugh at yourself over your own words.

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Old May 3rd 07, 11:23 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.motorcycles
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Wayne Pein wrote:
Stephen! wrote:
Wayne Pein wrote in news:4638b259$0$9929
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Hey Boy, "Sharing" by your and other's definition seems to mean,
"Bicyclists stay right in the lane so motorists can pass."



CVC 21202. Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at a speed
less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction
at that time *shall* ride as close as practicable to the right-hand
curb or edge of the roadway


NC§20-146(b) “Upon all highways any vehicle proceeding at less than the
legal maximum speed limit shall be driven in the right-hand lane then
available for thru traffic, or as close as practicable to the right-hand
curb or edge of the highway...”

In NC bicyclists use the right lane, or if the lanes are not marked
then, like other vehicles, as far to the right as practicable.

Your state attempts to be discriminatory to bicyclists. However,
practicable means that the bicyclist chooses what that distance is. And,
the "normal" speed of traffic is subject to interpretation. If
bicyclists are traffic, which they are, then "normal" is bicyclist
speed. Further, your statute doesn't explicity say motorists can pass in
the same lane. It merely implies it. I doubt that statute would hold up
in court.

Wayne



So when vehicular traffic slows down at an intersection, do you wait in
the line of traffic or do you filter up the inside?

If you go for the inside line, wouldn't that be an illegal passing move
(by being in the same lane & passing on the wrong side)?

It's about time bicycles were treated more like 'traffic' by getting
them all registered for a start. Numberplates on bicycles would be great
as they could be identified when riding on the footpath, cutting through
red lights or holding up the flow of traffic. Compulsory insurance as
well, since your'e on the road......and a licence to prove you know the
road rules......and a tax added to bicycles to help pay for roading.
  #404  
Old May 4th 07, 12:43 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
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donquijote1954 wrote:
On May 3, 1:01 am, Bill wrote:

That's reasonable and it will make it to the Bicycle Statutes of the
revolution.

What kind of flowers are fit for a lane taker who gets in front of a 40
ton semi?
Bill Baka-


Well, I'd be more worried with the driver of a 5 ton SUV, since this
one has very little training in driving, and chances are he/she would
be attending to some other business other than driving.

But if we make it a COORDINATED CAMPAIGN, and while one goes down, the
other make a lot of noise, then things could be different. At least
you die for a purpose, or a cause.


Let's not let the cause be stupidity. If it is a reasonable amount of
traffic moving slow enough, like in a 25 MPH zone, then, sure, take the
lane. I do in town and ride the side streets, not the main corridor.
I can get there faster by avoiding the streets with all the cars and
lights every block, with irritable drivers at every corner.

Today I'll be riding in heavy traffic before I get into the calmer
area, and I feel like I'm going into no man's land, 'cause, you know,
it's very Darwinistic out there, even in a car...


I will ride between cars in heavy traffic, even at a left turn lane, but
only in town, and only if I have to in order to avoid a long detour.
Left turns work out very well and straight across I don't take the lane
but ride to the right so everybody can get across past me. In some
places traffic isn't even going to notice a bike in the midst because
they are topping out at 20 MPH. In others, they are so distracted by the
other 'Cages' that they will be looking not to get hit by another
'cager' and not notice a bicycle. I got hit ***AFTER*** making eye
contact with a driver around Christmas but the guy pulled out into me
and almost ran his Gigantic pickup over me and bike. I did everything
exactly legal and still got hit and my left thumb got cracked/dislocated
and is only now really pain free again.

"We live in a society where things are moving so fast that nobody
seems to appreciate life anymore,"

Police: Steer clear of road rage
by KAREN HANNA

HAGERSTOWN - An accident in Frederick County, Md., that killed two
people who reportedly exchanged obscene gestures with a man in another
vehicle has local motorists worried.

Almost two weeks after Harrisburg, Pa., residents Christian Michael
Luciano, 28, and Lindsay L. Bender, 25, died in the accident on
Interstate 270, 1st Sgt. Chris Sasse said Maryland State Police in
Frederick continue their search for the other driver.

Sasse said Monday that police at the Frederick barrack might get as
many as 100 complaints about aggressive driving on busy travel days,
but police in Washington County said they only occasionally
investigate incidents involving road rage.

Josie Boon and her husband, Erik, said they cannot understand what
possesses drivers to put other travelers in danger.

"We live in a society where things are moving so fast that nobody
seems to appreciate life anymore," said Boon, who talked about the
accident while she and her family took in a baseball game Monday at
Staley Park.

http://www.herald-mail.com/?module=d...69&format=html


There is no argument that being stuck in a car in traffic while trying
to get to work or get the hell away from it and get home puts all those
people in a bad mood 10 times a week.
Silicon Valley is now so bad, including corrupt cops in one city
district, that I won't drive down there in a car, and would never
attempt to ride a bike there.
Some things just get worse, like the S.F. Bay area.
Bill Baka

  #405  
Old May 4th 07, 03:02 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
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Stephen! wrote:
BrianNZ wrote in :

My my, that time of the month is it?
Your argument of keeping a pistol in a fanny pack has already been won
by the man who said 'use a holster'.....the guy that was trying to give
you a heads up on how to defend yourself better, who you decided was
flaming you.



Heh... I give up... The dumb pussy wore me out. Never once adressing
the point I was making and taking everything as an insult... Getting all
****ed off about it then acusing me of having anger issues...

**** 'er... If s/he thinks carrying a revolver in a fanny pack makes
him/her safer, so be it...

We all know there's a big difference between going "to the range for
targe practice"(sic) and a self-defense proficiency course...



It's a bit of a worrying trend for him/her to be packing a pistol while
having anger issues, not listening to good advice when it's offered,
crying 'sexist' at the word pussy and thinking groping constitutes rape.
( I wonder how old he/she is and how many times he/shes been groped OR
attacked)

The chances of him/her shooting someone by mistake in a moment of anger
or fear (justified in her mind) is higher than him/her being able to
shoot an attacker. Lets face it, it youv'e just been shoved off your
bike your body is going to be in shock for a few seconds which would be
plenty of time for an attacker to do his/her worst to disable him/her.
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Old May 4th 07, 05:07 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
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"Brent P" wrote in message
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SNIP

The thought process being it was to get her drunk and have his way with her.


A female chauvinistic veiwpoint imo. I've had women buy me drinks with the
purpose of getting me drunk enough yet not to drunk to use me for their
whims...not that I'm complaining mind you. It's just that they didn't have to
spend their money to achieve their goals, just ask. Bluntly if necessary...that
to has happened and slut that I am, well naturally I said "yes, your place or
mine?"

--
Keith Schiffner
History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any rational
basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the
unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and
spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from
fiddling with it.
Robert Heinlein


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Old May 4th 07, 05:20 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
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On May 3, 2:41 pm, Turby wrote:
On 3 May 2007 10:08:43 -0700, wrote:

On May 3, 12:49 pm, Turby wrote:


The first cite says,
"1 out of every 3 American women will be sexually assulted in her
lifetime."


Really, that's not much of a citation. I see no source for the
number, and no clue as to how it was determined. It's impossible to
tell if it has any validity.


Once again, somebody wants to quibble about numbers, rather than
address the issue.


Numbers are important. They tell us how much of an issue there is,
and how seriously it needs to be addressed.

I've seen too many distorted, misleading or flat-out false numbers
used to raise support for people's pet issues. Some numbers I used to
believe turned out to be completely off-base.

Nowadays, I'm not as gullible. If someone prints an unbelievable
number about a hot-button issue without a proper citation, I assume
that it's fiction until proven otherwise.

And that's where your "one in three" claim now sits with me.

Do you deny that the number of reported rapes is
ridiculously excessive? Without citing numbers, virtually all
authorities agree that the actual incidence of rape is far higher than
what is reported.


If only one in 3 million women were ever raped, and if only 75% of
them reported it, one could say the number was ridiculously excessive,
and the incidence was far higher than reported. But it would be a far
different matter than the one-in-three you claimed.

I certainly don't condone rape. But numbers are important. We can't
fix all the world's problems at once. We need to prioritize, and
accurate numbers lead to realistic priorities.

- Frank Krygowski

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Old May 4th 07, 05:38 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
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"Stephen!" wrote in message
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evelyn wrote in news:1178196585.232753.237380
@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:

Lets refresh your memory...you called me a loser for no reason.



Nope. I called you a loser (and still do) because you insist that
carrying a revolver in a fanny pack will help you in a self-defense
situation.

I wonder why the police don't all wear their firearms in fanny packs...


Some do. And not all fanny packs are equal.


  #409  
Old May 4th 07, 07:34 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
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In article ,
Stephen Cowell wrote:

I want to grow up and be big, strong gun nuts
like you guys!


Very few guns even have nuts. Probably some Gatling-type guns do, and
I'm sure they are big and strong. But they don't post on Usenet.
--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.
  #410  
Old May 4th 07, 07:45 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
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"Stephen Cowell" wrote in message
t...
I want to grow up and be big, strong gun nuts
like you guys! I like the way you handle that
Evelyn pussy.... imagine, carrying a gun, yet
admitting there are gun problems in our society!

That's the good thing about being a gun nut...
plenty of small penis friends out there.
__
Steve


Why are sweet of things like you always concerned about the size of a man's
penis?


 




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